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Old 02-21-2013, 08:29 PM   #41281
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that's a by-product of the "6-7 hours of new TV per week plus the odd PPV" era more than anything. It's their own doing for sure but there's not a whole lot they can really do about it
There is. Not having two main eventers constantly face off every week on Raw... compelling storylines that don't revolve around random tag matches to close out every show...

There are definitely ways to keep your top guys from being put in situations where one has to lose weekly.

And yes, a squash match or two scattered in there isn't the worst thing in the world.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:33 PM   #41282
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What? Are you saying Cena never lost? Because despite the need to cling onto the "OMG CENA NEVER LOSES" gripe... he did. The only people bitching and trying to complain that he never lost were the ones who just aren't a fan of the character.
I have never had that gripe, feel free to do a forum search. But he won, a lot. And people got tired of him... By the time he lost nobody thought HOLY FUCKING SHIT, it was more THANK FUCKING CHRIST.

What I'm getting at is, I can see you're passionate about Ryback, but every scenario you're throwing forward has pretty much been done by someone else. Will he be a big name in the future, quite possibly. But not being able to see the big picture that there are other people in the company who have the top spots and have worked their asses off for years to be there is pretty narrow minded. The Shield are being put over now, but the faces will get theirs in the end. It's wrestling 101. It's easier for a face to lose and regain credibility than for a group to keep losing and keep it.

Austin/HHH/Rock all started off feuding together, and when it was their time they blew through the roof. Ryback not winning at PPV's now and having people (The Shield) built to look strong against him now can only mean good things for him when it's his time to destroy them when they're on top.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:35 PM   #41283
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Vince knew how to make a star. If he was as capable of making one as you seem to think, John Cena could suffer a career ending injury tomorrow and the company would flow along just fine. Because they'd have built a star over the years that can fill in instantly and not leave them begging for the part-time guys to come work some more dates to fill in for the lack of star power.
the company would flow along just fine with I'd guess Orton slotting into the de-facto marquee guy and Punk, Jericho and all of the other top-line talent until the next "once in a generation" guy comes along. Guys like John Cena don't come along every day and no matter how hard you try and make somebody, it's still a somewhat two-way street. There is still plenty of bankable talent available to them, most of it made by them.

How to make a wrestling star 101 is the easiest thing ever: have a guy that beats everybody. If he has "it", the rest will pretty much take care of itself. If not, he will falter or it will become apparent that that's not the way to go with him. This is where Ryback currently stands. He looks like a killer for sure. He just doesn't seem to have that gear change or create that anticipation that makes the roof come off ala Goldberg. And for somebody you're trying to push as a big time babyface, that's a problem.

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There is. Not having two main eventers constantly face off every week on Raw... compelling storylines that don't revolve around random tag matches to close out every show...

There are definitely ways to keep your top guys from being put in situations where one has to lose weekly.

And yes, a squash match or two scattered in there isn't the worst thing in the world.
Yes. And as I said, it's their own doing. I personally would love to see squash matches on RAW. But seeing Cena/Sheamus vs. Big Show/Punk etc is "the norm" now, you can't suddenly start booking Kofi Kingston vs. Cody Rhodes as your RAW main event.
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This is where Ryback currently stands. He looks like a killer for sure. He just doesn't seem to have that gear change or create that anticipation that makes the roof come off ala Goldberg.
This is pretty much spot on. I think it's also where a lot of fans these days struggle with how the business is. It's easy to compare Ryback to Goldberg (not saying you are, just in general), but it was a different time and crowd back then. If Goldberg never existed and debuted today, would he get the same reactions? Or would he be where Ryback is right now.

Looking back to how stars were built and how easy they got over back then is different to now.
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How to make a wrestling star 101 is the easiest thing ever: have a guy that beats everybody. If he has "it", the rest will pretty much take care of itself. If not, he will falter or it will become apparent that that's not the way to go with him. This is where Ryback currently stands. He looks like a killer for sure. He just doesn't seem to have that gear change or create that anticipation that makes the roof come off ala Goldberg.

He has though. He got some raucous reactions during the Punk feud. He was put in a situation to make the crowd go nuts. And he did. They just haven't really followed up with him. He's been stagnant since.
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He has though. He got some raucous reactions during the Punk feud. He was put in a situation to make the crowd go nuts. And he did. They just haven't really followed up with him. He's been stagnant since.
but as I said in the other thread, I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with people wanting to see Punk get killed/Punk doing his job very well. Put him in with 3 fresh, cool, non-chicken shit, stand their ground heels and it's a different story.
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Yes. And as I said, it's their own doing. I personally would love to see squash matches on RAW. But seeing Cena/Sheamus vs. Big Show/Punk etc is "the norm" now, you can't suddenly start booking Kofi Kingston vs. Cody Rhodes as your RAW main event.[/QUOTE]

You could main event Raw with something like Kofi vs Cody if the last segment is a non-match segment of some sort. If not, it doesn't always have to be main eventer vs main eventer. The first Sheamus vs Sandow match a few weeks after Raw went to 3 hours permanently was a perfect TV match for me. You had a main eventer and an up and coming midcard guy that you, presumably wanna make a star. Sandow looked amazing, Sheamus came out with the win in a good, long match. Sheamus justified why he's a main event star with the good win and Sandow justified why he's not there yet but he can break out at any moment.

The roster is stacked enough to where you can use Raw main events to position guys on the card. And Raw has been ending with in-ring segments a lot anyway so it's not like you're forced to have the main event match as the closer. You can let a couple up and comers get the spot once in a while.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:50 PM   #41288
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but as I said in the other thread, I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with people wanting to see Punk get killed/Punk doing his job very well. Put him in with 3 fresh, cool, non-chicken shit, stand their ground heels and it's a different story.
It has something to do with people wanting to see Punk get killed. Not any guy is gonna come in months after his debut though and get the kind of reaction Ryback did though. It definitely takes a guy that people wanna get behind. And the fact that he was genuinely being booked as a scary as fuck monster, and he played the part well, makes him the perfect guy for the crowd to get behind anytime they wanna see a heel get the shit kicked out of them.

It's actually something Cena kinda lacks and I think part of the reason an older crowd can't get behind him. Cena's more the "heart and determination" type. Not exactly the kinda guy you watch and say "Oh shit, this guy I hate is gonna fucking die."
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:52 PM   #41289
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It has something to do with people wanting to see Punk get killed. Not any guy is gonna come in months after his debut though and get the kind of reaction Ryback did. It definitely takes a guy that people wanna get behind.
For sure. But that's the look and the push coming into play. Any guy that looks like Ryback and gets even half of the push he got is going to get a strong reaction initially, that's just how wrestling works, looking the part is the biggest part of the battle. It's what comes after that separates the Batista's from the Chris Masters. No idea which way Ryback will fall atm. But either way he's going to get a bunch of chances to do so.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:58 PM   #41290
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It's so weird having a situation where the champion going into WrestleMania is so guaranteed to lose the title. Like... there's been situations where you can be pretty sure who's gonna walk out champion but to have a situation like this... it's just stranger and stranger the more I think about it.
To be fair, he could be waiting to sign a contract extension until after Mania.
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To be fair, he could be waiting to sign a contract extension until after Mania.
Doesn't he have to film something after Mania?
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Rock recently stated he's signing a new deal after Mania although it wouldn't take effect until after his next films are done. Won't show up until maybe Summer Slam or Survivor Series the earliest.

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Think its later in the month since his current deal goes into Mania week and maybe the week after that.
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So he's still gonna be taking off. Even with an extension, I can't see any situation where he could possibly hang on to the belt.
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They could do the Punk situation where Punk "left" as champion only for the next night to declare a new tournament to find the next champion.

WWE could easily start that the following week the Rock is gone although it does require them to tell the audience Rock is leaving which could impact some of the ratings (mainly those who just want to see him).
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They could do the Punk situation where Punk "left" as champion only for the next night to declare a new tournament to find the next champion.

WWE could easily start that the following week the Rock is gone although it does require them to tell the audience Rock is leaving which could impact some of the ratings (mainly those who just want to see him).
Seems like that would effectively make Rock a heel. Punk only turned face from it because he was "fighting the man". Rock leaving with the belt seems like it would just come off as him being a huge douche.
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Seems like that would effectively make Rock a heel. Punk only turned face from it because he was "fighting the man". Rock leaving with the belt seems like it would just come off as him being a huge douche.
That consensus would apply to marks more than anyone else.
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So he's still gonna be taking off. Even with an extension, I can't see any situation where he could possibly hang on to the belt.
I say this respectfully, and not in an antagonizing way at all.

But foresight is not really one of your strong suits based off of your posts.
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  5. 57 mins Gary Walsh ‏@walshy5678
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@walshy5678 @Cowboy_J_Storm Is that the company that used Ric Flair @wwe hall of fame ring as part of a story line?

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Old 02-22-2013, 12:19 AM   #41304
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:21 AM   #41305
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:26 AM   #41306
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I like James Storm, but TNA is a clusterfuck. It's like watching an actor you enjoy in a movie that sucks.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:33 AM   #41307
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:18 AM   #41308
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:17 PM   #41310
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:34 PM   #41311
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:36 PM   #41312
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:40 PM   #41313
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  2. 2 hrs Danny Cea ‏@DannyCea
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  3. 59 mins Gary Walsh ‏@walshy5678
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  4. 58 mins Danny Cea ‏@DannyCea
    @walshy5678 @Cowboy_J_Storm All I know is I didn't see the giant fist.



  5. 57 mins Gary Walsh ‏@walshy5678
    @DannyCea @cowboy_j_storm I think he may be watching #impactLIVE haha



35 mins Danny Cea ‏@DannyCea
@walshy5678 @Cowboy_J_Storm Is that the company that used Ric Flair @wwe hall of fame ring as part of a story line?

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@walshy5678 @Cowboy_J_Storm Or the company that couldn't get their world champion on an overseas tour?
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:07 PM   #41314
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Part II back up for anyone who missed it like I did...
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part II (this is the original part II that was taken down and was re-upped by DDP earlier today)
by 3 minutes boiiiiiii
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:19 PM   #41318
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by 3 minutes boiiiiiii
Did I just hear someone say...... 3 Minutes?!
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:12 PM   #41319
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I posted that on here a few years ago, and yeah, I watched it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:20 PM   #41320
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