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Old 01-02-2010, 01:01 PM   #4121
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McDevil decides to bench Brandon Marshall. And so begins the rift that was all the news at pre-season.

And we really, REALLY need to win this game.
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:45 PM   #4122
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Agree or disagree with sitting the players the Colts earned that right. Trying to say "you have to play your starters" is stupid, all teams will do is fake injuries to bench guys.

Does it suck for a bubble team that another team lays down week 17? Sure, but had your team played better and won more games you wouldn't be a bubble team.

and no, if the Colts win it all the loss will be a footnote mention, like the Bears in 1985.

Now, if the Colts rest they're player again this week and then get upset in their first playoff game, then it will get questioned if it was a factor, like in years past.

Personally, I really don't think it makes a difference however track record shows differently.

Oh, and why is Marshall being benched?
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:58 PM   #4123
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If they ever did try to enforce a rule like this, I could totally see someone having his offense take a knee on every single snap and let the other team win 140-0.
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Old 01-02-2010, 02:32 PM   #4124
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It's absurd the way coaches are scrutinized for resting players or not resting them. On one hand, people criticize that it disrupts team momentum, chemistry etc. (i.e. the intangible factors.) On the other hand, the loss of one player can cripple some teams. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Do you really want Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, or a key defender to be injured because you wanted to preserve a victory in a more or less meaningless week 15 game?

The Patriots went undefeated in the regular season in 2007, and while that is impressive, they didn't win the Superbowl. You can go undefeated all the way to the Superbowl and not win it, as in that situation, does that undefeated season even really matter? I would rather see my favorite team win a championship than go undefeated and lose in the big game. If my team went undefeated and won a championship, that is great too. I think the coaches have to do what they believe gives them the best chance to win that championship, because after all, that is the ultimate goal.
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The whole disrupting chemistry argument is overblown. Doesn't a bye week do the exact same thing? Yet teams want a good record so they can earn a bye week in the postseason.
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well look at what happened in the years past when the colts rested player... and look at what happened the one year where they had to play until week 17. So is the disrupting chemistry argument THAT overblown??

Had the colts lost a game earlier in the year, this would not have been an issue what so ever, but the thing is they were going for a historical accomplishment that they were on the cusp of achieving and the pissed it away.
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And if they go undefeated and don't win a championship, for whatever reason, is the undefeated regular season that significant?

As a fan, I couldn't care less about an undefeated season if it doesn't come with a championship.
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Alright let's look into this. I'm intrigued.

2008: Titans rested, lost first playoff game; Colts rested, lost first playoff game; Giants rested, lost first playoff game; Steelers didn't rest and Roethlisberger got a concussion but didn't miss the playoffs

2007: Steelers rested, lost first playoff game; Packers rested, lost NFC Championship; Seahawks rested some, went 1-1 in playoffs; Jaguars rested, went 1-1; Tampa rested, lost first playoff game; Giants and Patriots did not rest, made Super Bowl

2006: Bears rested, made Super Bowl; Eagles rested, went 1-1; Saints rested, lost in NFC Championship; Colts didn't rest; won Super Bowl


Maybe there is something to it. Maybe.
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Interesting note: only one #1 seed won a Super Bowl this decade.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:00 PM   #4131
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In hindsight, Bellicheck probably should have rested some defensive players in one of the last few games since late into the season and in the playoffs (especially the Superbowl), the defense was showing signs of fatigue.

Nothing needed to be done with the offense since it was too powerful to even be affected by rest except maybe develop the rush game better to give the defense more rest time.
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I think the benching of Marshall and Sheffler is either:

A. McD just flat out doesn't like them and wants to try without them.
B. McD trying to make Orton and the rest of the O prove themselves without their main weapons.

B may seem a little farfetched, but really, went 16 weeks of Marshall BEING the offense and NOW of all times McDaniels gets pissy? Gotta be more going on there than they're letting on. Sheffler is gone after this year regardless, just isn't what McDaniels wants for his system. Royal's also out this week due to injury

So Denver's recievers for this game are Brandon Stokley, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney and Mathew Willis. Yay
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Marshall is injured anyway
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2008: Titans rested, lost first playoff game; Colts rested, lost first playoff game; Giants rested, lost first playoff game; Steelers didn't rest and Roethlisberger got a concussion but didn't miss the playoffs

2007: Steelers rested, lost first playoff game; Packers rested, lost NFC Championship; Seahawks rested some, went 1-1 in playoffs; Jaguars rested, went 1-1; Tampa rested, lost first playoff game; Giants and Patriots did not rest, made Super Bowl

2006: Bears rested, made Super Bowl; Eagles rested, went 1-1; Saints rested, lost in NFC Championship; Colts didn't rest; won Super Bowl


Maybe there is something to it. Maybe.
Good shit

I understand the resting players part of coaching, but when it came to the Colts they shoulda gone for it. I mean really why not..why not actually try to win EVERY game in a season? Why "play it safe" if there's no guarantees that you're winning the superbowl either way.
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I think the benching of Marshall and Sheffler is either:

A. McD just flat out doesn't like them and wants to try without them.
B. McD trying to make Orton and the rest of the O prove themselves without their main weapons.

B may seem a little farfetched, but really, went 16 weeks of Marshall BEING the offense and NOW of all times McDaniels gets pissy? Gotta be more going on there than they're letting on. Sheffler is gone after this year regardless, just isn't what McDaniels wants for his system. Royal's also out this week due to injury

So Denver's recievers for this game are Brandon Stokley, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney and Mathew Willis. Yay
There's a theory out there that the Broncos have intentions of applying a RFA tender to Marshall and Scheffler and deal them in the offseason (possibly to Washington once Shanahan takes over), and they don't want them to get hurt (or hurt worse, in Marshall's case) and damage their trade value. Not sure how much validity there is to that since I don't follow the team all that much, but it's an idea.
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And if they go undefeated and don't win a championship, for whatever reason, is the undefeated regular season that significant?

As a fan, I couldn't care less about an undefeated season if it doesn't come with a championship.
Yes its still significant, but the regular season once your in the playoffs is a little irrelevant. They still have to play and win all the games and the entire season is that much sweeter if you can run the table. Of course you cant care less whether a team runs the table with no championship, but i gaurantee you would want nothing more for your team than to have the perfect season so shut up.
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No, I'm pretty sure that I'd rather have a team go 10-6 in the regular season and win the Superbowl than 16-0 in the regular season and lose in the Superbowl, like the Giants in 2007. So, you can't guarantee shit, fuck off.
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I think you gotta go for 19-0. You should always go for history when you have the chance for it.

Also teams should try and go undefeated just to shut up Mercury Morris and the 72 Dolphins. That's really the big reason.
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Marshall is injured anyway
Pulled hamstring, and IIRC, he's played through worse and that's apparently McDaniels' point. He felt Marshall was milking it and wasn't trying as hard as others who were hurting more than him and his hamstring. I understand his point, but I don't think this is the time to do it.

As far as that theory goes, it wouldn't really surprise me. Not sure where I sit on the matter. Love Marshall, but its risky. Deserves the money, no doubt. But he's one run in with the law away from being gone for a whole season. May be best to just move on and get all we can.
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I always have a tough time buying claims like that in the NFL. They are professionals, they aren't exactly killing themselves out there during practice at this time of the year. I'm assuming there's more to it.
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Two things:

A) If the Broncos somehow win and make the playoffs, does Marshall play in the playoffs?

B) I cant really see Brian Billick coaching in Buffalo...
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Here's a countdown of the teams i'd want the Colts to play in the playoffs. #1 being the team i absolutely dont want to see.


#9- Bengals- Please let us get the Bengals in the AFC title game, or any playoff game for that matter. They cant score enough points.

#8- Jets- Sorry, but if Indy was playing foreal, the Jets would have been blown out in week 15

#7- Ravens- They make so many mistakes and they talk a huge game, but never seem to play a huge game.

#6 Steelers- This team looks done without Palomalu.

#5- Houston- This team would love to get another crack at Indy. I cant say i'd be looking forward to seeing them again

#4 Denver - They play great defense and Marshall will probably have about 40 catches if we keep leaving Tim Jennings on him. Tim Jennings is basically our Ellis Hobbs.

# 3 Miami- We cant stop the Wildcat. Seriously. We cant. I dont know what we'll do. The only good thing is that Ronnie Brown isnt healthy and Ted Ginn has bricks for hands.

#2 San Diego- We have to beat this team sometime. And it will be even harder this year. Unless Norv Turner out coaches himself and doesnt run misdirection plays and screen passes with Sproles all game, we're gunna have a really tough game

#1- New England - How fucking pissed off are they still about Indy winning that game. Bellichek getting shit on for that 4th and 2 play was pretty bad for Indianapolis. This guy is gunna have a stick up his ass for Indy. I can actually see New England going for every 4th down in this game.
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If I'm seeding the AFC, it's going 1) San Diego 2) New England 3) Cincinnati 4) Indianapolis
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Old 01-03-2010, 12:56 AM   #4148
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If I'm seeding the AFC, it's going 1) San Diego 2) New England 3) Cincinnati 4) Indianapolis
Lol you're fucking stupid then. The Bengals wont make it past wildcard round. They cant pass teh football at all. There defense is slightly better then average. San Diego, Indy and New England ( and probably every other contending team other then the Jets and the Broncos and Ravens, ) would blow the Bengals out by 2 TD.

You really think the Bengals are better then the Colts? Cause if so, you're smoking crack.
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Nah, Indy's just not that good. Bengals would win.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:11 AM   #4150
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When you can give me reasons why you would think that, i'll take you serious.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:19 AM   #4151
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Oh I see.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:20 AM   #4152
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Well, I think my biggest reason for saying the Bengals would beat the Colts is because the Bengals are better than the Colts.
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If the Ravens can get the Bengals in the first round (need Bengals to win vs Jets) then I could see them beating the Bengals. 5 seed would probably play the Colts in the Divisional Round baring an upset of the patriots. The Ravens knocked off the #1 seed in the Titans last year who limped into the playoffs having lost 2 of their final 3 games.
I could see it happening again with the Colts. The Ravens were a few plays away from beating the Colts earlier (story of their whole season really..).
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wow RP just said the Raiders were better than the Colts
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Kind of a dull day from the Packers' perspective. Today doesn't really matter, since there's like a 75% chance of seeing the Cards again next week. Getting ready for the Matt Flynn show. Maybe if McCarthy gets bored he'll put Jarrett Bush in single coverage against Larry Fitzgerald just to see what happens.

Anyway, today I'm just rooting for Philly to get the second seed and potentially forcing Favre to face the Eagles' defense in the cold in the second round. That would be like watching the overtime from last week's Monday night game for four quarters.
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