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Old 01-03-2010, 03:58 PM   #4201
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It all comes back to the Patriots. They kept their foot on the gas because they were still undefeated. Why would they stop scoring and take Brady out when they were undefeated?
They didn't lose the superbowl that year because of a lack of rest. They lost it because they got outplayed/had some misfortune on "any given sunday."

My whole issue with the Colts letting the streak go isn't that I care. I don't. I'm glad it happened because I'm a Patriots fan and they're our rival. I don't want to see them get that, or match what we've done.

I'm just pointing out that I think it's a fairly awful thing. You're right, an undefeated season isn't a superbowl trophy but failure to play for something like that shows a lack of drive I think. You can call it discipline, or you can call it being cowardly.

They didn't take him out with a lead, and based on what they're doing today they're not concerned about injuries. They were losing, and benched him. You don't for a second question that? If I were a fan of theirs I'd be a bit upset by it.

Also, is Peyton starting the second half in that blizzard in Buffalo? If he does that's unreal.
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Supreme, I'm going to let you in on a secret about the trophy vs undefeated season thing.
It means something. I'm a Patriots fan. I've watched them win 3 superbowl trophies, and I saw them fail to complete their 19-0 perfect season. It sucked.

I'm not a player, but it sucked more than a normal loss for them too.
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Would I trade 2 superbowl trophies for the 19-0 trophy....
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You're missing the point of the Brady comparison. The Patriots kept Brady in in the 4th quarter when they were up by 30+ points and they continued to throw the ball. "The fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful."
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Jeritron, what you are is a fan who's been spoiled by success. You've lost sight of the significance of the Lombardi Trophy.
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This could be an issue that divides the sports forum.
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You're missing the point of the Brady comparison. The Patriots kept Brady in in the 4th quarter when they were up by 30+ points and they continued to throw the ball. "The fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful."

Yes, based on the fact that he was benched for "safety" reasons last week. I wouldn't have an issue with it had they kept him in last week, undefeated or not.
It's the fact that they were on the ropes, and pulled him out, and now he's back out there.
Way different than what went on with Brady. Brady was out there all the time throughout the whole season. They didn't put him on the bench when things got tough to lessen the choke, and then march him back out there in another, equally meaningless game in which injury was still a factor.
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Jeritron, what you are is a fan who's been spoiled by success. You've lost sight of the significance of the Lombardi Trophy.
Well the 19-0 win would have been very special. I'm well aware of how great winning a superbowl was. I can remember the first in 2002, and although being spoiled, I still want to win them as much as the next fan every year regardless of record. So yes and no.
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We don't know what goes on in the Colts locker room, but I'm willing to bet the players saw how close each of the guys were to the milestones and said hey let's give it a shot.
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The Patriots had a few close games during the end of the season. Had they pulled Brady in the second half it would have been absurd. People would have seen it for what it would be, damage control.
Also, because of Brady and The Patriots status they would have harped on it way more as a cowardly move than people are for this situation.
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The Patriots also had nothing to fear. If they didn't win the Super Bowl because of trying for 19-0, so what? They had all their trophies to fall back on. They're still considered one of the all time greats. Besides Pittsburgh, nobody else has that luxury right now.
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We don't know what goes on in the Colts locker room, but I'm willing to bet the players saw how close each of the guys were to the milestones and said hey let's give it a shot.
And they didn't see how close they were to an undefeated season last week and say 'hey lets give it a shot'?
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The Patriots also had nothing to fear. If they didn't win the Super Bowl because of trying for 19-0, so what? They had all their trophies to fall back on. They're still considered one of the all time greats. Besides Pittsburgh, nobody else has that luxury right now.
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It sucks that I can't expect more out of my team and other teams without being considered spoiled. I get the same shit thrown at me when discussing baseball. Fans from cities that haven't won just despise it right away. True, I have been spoiled but it's not like I don't appreciate it. I remember the Pete Carroll days.
I just think all teams should want to be awesome, and 19-0 would have been just that. We missed out on it but went for it tooth and nail. Indy just mailed it in.
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:17 PM   #4215
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OH NO THE PETE CARROLL DAYS! HOW DREADFUL

I remember the Dick LeBeau days. And the Bruce Coslet days. And the Dave Shula days.
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No team has ever gone 19-0. The team that does could superficially say that they are the greatest team of all time. A 14-2 team wins the Super Bowl every year. No one is going to really remember this Super Bowl victory if the Colts win it this year, which I don't think they are now. Everyone knows the 49ers won Super Bowls in the 1980's, but people can't specifically tell you what years they did it or who they played. It becomes more of a collective acknowledgement at that point. With the Colts, people could have said "Yeah, the Colts won two Super Bowl in that time period. That first time they beat the Panthers or some team. I don't really remember because that was a pretty shitty year in football. That second year they defeated the Dallas Cowboys in a 28-27 overtime thriller. I remember that year like it was yesterday. The New Orleans Saints actually had a chance to be undefeated that year as well, but they lost to the Dallas Cowboys in a 28-27 overtime thriller in week 15. The Colts, however, went 16-0 and kept on winning in the playoffs. I will never forget this team: The first and only team in NFL history to go 19-0."
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Actually by that time there will be about 38 regular season games and no one will give a shit about an undefeated 19-0 team.
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This was another wasted pathetic Bills season, but goddamn it I love Fred Jackson and he played his heart out this year.
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28-27 overtime thriller eh?

love to see the box score on that one
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See that's the thing. It's just a constant guilt trip. Apparently Boston sports fans should feel bad for winning and expecting their team to win. We're spoiled. Any and all opinions stated won't be taken seriously, because the bitter fan will always just throw at you the "fuck you you win all the time" mentality. Apparently we should strive to have never won anything so we can fall back on that.
Sometimes it's as if theres a contest to see who deserves the most sympathy from the winners

Patriots never won a Superbowl til 2002, so it's not like they were never part of the club.
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No one says you should feel bad for winning. In fact, the only thing I said was you shouldn't hold other teams to the same expectations because they haven't had the same success as yours.
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Not sure what you mean really. They should be held to those same expectations because they had a chance to surpass that success, and they didn't even go for it, let alone fail. It's Peyton Manning and The Colts. They're the closest to the Patriots that there is this decade.
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I'm going to laugh if the Colts and Saints lose their first game in the playoffs. They've had no interest in winning a game for the past two weeks, and by the time they play again it'll be nearly a month since they tried to win a game.

I think what rubs a lot of people the wrong way about the Colts (and to a lesser extent, the Saints after they lost) is that they already have a bye week to rest their players. In a lot of people's eyes, the league is already giving them a free week to rest up, so why are they taking an extra two or three weeks?
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:26 PM   #4224
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A Super Bowl trophy is nice for the Patriots but they've already won a bunch. They needed more excitement in their lives. Most franchises are just concerned about the Super Bowl. They don't need the extra frills and danger.
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Also, the sarcastic view of the Patriots prior to their success was clearly a guilt trip about how the Bengals have been losing much longer and more painfully, and my reference to a time of poor play is less worthy
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Like a page late here, but whatever..

Manning has 191 (or more, not sure what the exact stat is if that's not it) consecutive starts. Why would he NOT start in the game? Doesn't have shit to do with what happened this season. It is just the way things things have gone every single season. And why would anyone even look at that as 'trying' to keep his streak going. Again, people are only giving a shit about these things because of what happened vs the Jets.

That's just what Manning has done, continuously, for a very long time. Get the fuck over it.
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A Super Bowl trophy is nice for the Patriots but they've already won a bunch. They needed more excitement in their lives. Most franchises are just concerned about the Super Bowl. They don't need the extra frills and danger.
This is true, but The Colts aren't slouches either. Sure, they've only won one, but their decade has been filled with attempts to trump The Patriots. They're an amazing team that had the misfortune of being in the same era as a more amazing team.
I'm pretty sure the chance to succeed where the Patriots failed would have been more excitement in the lives of the Patriot-hating Colts fans that have already won a Superbowl, but haven't quite gotten over The Pats.
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Also, the sarcastic view of the Patriots prior to their success was clearly a guilt trip about how the Bengals have been losing much longer and more painfully, and my reference to a time of poor play is less worthy

Yes, because you tried to justify your time as a fan of a bad NFL franchise by referencing a time when your team made the playoffs twice.
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Like a page late here, but whatever..

Manning has 191 (or more, not sure what the exact stat is if that's not it) consecutive starts. Why would he NOT start in the game? Doesn't have shit to do with what happened this season. It is just the way things things have gone every single season. And why would anyone even look at that as 'trying' to keep his streak going. Again, people are only giving a shit about these things because of what happened vs the Jets.

That's just what Manning has done, continuously, for a very long time. Get the fuck over it.
Of course we're only talking about it because of what happened with The Jets. That's what we're discussing here...the prospect of an undefeated season in football.
What do you think we're doing? Just shooting the shit about the benching of a player under normal circumstances?
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And fucks sake, it's not like it took a ton of effort by Manning to start this game. You all act like it is hypocritical that he played, but it's not like he was out there busting his ass. And this game doesn't mean shit for the Bills or Colts. It is just 'there', pretty much. Neither team is really going to be playing their asses off. Bills probably knew they were going to win going into this game anyways, and were probably just waiting for Manning to sit.

Not that it matters, of course, because a win here doesn't mean anything for the Bills.
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Yes, because you tried to justify your time as a fan of a bad NFL franchise by referencing a time when your team made the playoffs twice.
Yes, well I wasn't going to count Parcells because they made a Superbowl, and I wasn't alive much before that, but what I'm talking about is prior to Belichick The Patriots had just as many Lombardies as the Bengals.
What I mean is, I haven't forgotten what it felt like when Vinatieri hit that field goal. It's not like The Patriots have always been part of the legacy club. A Patriots fan can understand that more than a Steelers, Cowboys, or Packers fan our age.
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Just a random note, life is likely going to suck again for a while after Brady retires. Unless they pull a new age Steve Young out of their ass, they're going to have the post-legend lull where it takes years to find a new QB to fill the role.
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And this game doesn't mean shit for the Bills or Colts. It is just 'there', pretty much.
Tell that to the people who have bet their children's college money on this game, or those Colts players who have $75,000 put down on the Bills to beat the spread.
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I'm pretty sure every game means something to the Bills fans. Seriously, those bastards had the worst kick in the ass ever back in the early 90s, and they live in BUFFALO to boot. It's their team, and they suck, but they still turn out and care.
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