The Official Smackdown vs Raw 2 thread

[Cool King]

Be Kurt Angle. I was him when I got that storyline.

[Cool King]

Damn it Loopy! You beat me to it!

[McDoogle]

Sweet...and by sweet I mean sweet.

[D Mac]

Use your CAW.

[CNM]

Yeah I got it with Angle as well

[Cool King]

Does this happen to anyones copy of the game?

If you play the game and you turn it off, then about 10 minutes later you want to play it again, so you turn it on and the game takes forever to load. (And when I say forever, I mean about 15 minutes that feels like forever)

And the music sticks and stops, and it crashes.

So you have to wait 45 minutes to play the game again so it doesn't do any of that.

[McDoogle]

Never had that problem. Sounds more like your PS2 is fucked.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, story mode feels much shorter. In fact, I still have trophies I need, but because I've beat Raw and Smackdown's story modes, I've been putting it off because I don't want to bother.

Also, since the three ways/Fatal Four ways are so damn frustrating...

[Just John]

Originally Posted by McDoogle Never had that problem. Sounds more like your PS2 is fucked.

[Disturbed316]

Could be a dirty lens.

[Cool King]

Well I've just finished playing it and it's getting worse. I was editing my CAW and everytime you went down to look at a pair of tights or anything like that, the music would stop but you could still look at the other stuff but you couldn't select them.

So after taking an hour of what should have been 10 minutes of editing my CAW. I played a match with him.

Triple H came out and his music sticked and stopped. Lillian stopped and skipped things too.

My CAW comes out and the crowd noise didn't load, the tron stopped and the music didn't played properly. So during the match, J.R and Jerry weren't talking, and when I won the match, it crashed. After a coulpe of seconds of that it went back to normal. Then it took 15 minutes to load the main screen.

So I'll take your advice guys, and clean my lens. And if that doesn't change anything then I'll have to get a new PS2.

[Kane Knight]

On the upside, it's still faster loading than DoR2.

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight On the upside, it's still faster loading than it's PSP version.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle it's still easy to make nude caws mind you...

The funny thing is, like 2 days after DoR came out, you could make ' em there with an AR code which later got teken out.

There are all sorts of ways around it though.

But honestly, I've never cared enough to bother.

[Hired Hitman]

I had an awesome No DQ Title match between The Million Dollar man and Bret Hart, at the end of the match Hart hit Ted with a chair, he reached down and Ted Lunged forward, took Bret down by the legs then rolled over into a pinfall attempt where he got a three count

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by loopydate Yeah. I wish THQ didn't insist on putting that stupid crotch/butt blur in there. I understand why it's there, but do they not realize how many wrestlers actually have logos on the fronts and backs of their tights?

They should axe it all together.
I hate that certain CAW parts have been taken away specifically for the prevention of making nude CAWs. Who cares about that crap?!

[Batsu]

now that I think of it, now that the game's been out for several months, think we can put together a definitive laundry list of the problems with the game/wish list for the next?

[D Mac]

Konami should make WWE Games. I just played Rumble Roses for the first time and liked it better. I wonder why tho...

[PorkSoda]

There should be a new finisher reversal in the next game. For example, when playing against Rey Mysterio, if you don't reverse the 619 at the beginning, then you have to sit through the whole move without getting a chance to reverse anything. Like when he goes to kick you, you should be able to move. Or when he goes to spring off the ropes, you should be able to reverse the move into a powerbomb or into a pin. It sucks that you just have to sit there and watch the move.

Same with the sweet chin music. When he goes to stomp his foot, you can't duck under the kick. It sucks.

Same with Big Show's chokeslam, when he gets you up, you should be able to spring off his shoulder or if your Orton, get an RKO in.

Hogan's Legdrop....powerbombs....etc. That seriously could make a game better.

[Disturbed316]

I've always wanted and F5-countered-into-a-crippler crossface counter for the F5.

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac Konami should make WWE Games. I just played Rumble Roses for the first time and liked it better. I wonder why tho...

Yuke's develops both games. What needs to happen is that Yuke's needs to put some of those moves from RR into SmackDown. (Though, they did put the hairstyles of Aisha, Miss Spencer, Candy Cane, and Dixie in CAW). Note that some SmackDown animations were in that game...

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by PorkSoda There should be a new finisher reversal in the next game. For example, when playing against Rey Mysterio, if you don't reverse the 619 at the beginning, then you have to sit through the whole move without getting a chance to reverse anything. Like when he goes to kick you, you should be able to move. Or when he goes to spring off the ropes, you should be able to reverse the move into a powerbomb or into a pin. It sucks that you just have to sit there and watch the move. Same with the sweet chin music. When he goes to stomp his foot, you can't duck under the kick. It sucks. Same with Big Show's chokeslam, when he gets you up, you should be able to spring off his shoulder or if your Orton, get an RKO in. Hogan's Legdrop....powerbombs....etc. That seriously could make a game better.

I noticed some new reversals for regular moves and finishers in this game (like the Angle Slam), which was actually kind of cool. This is actually a kind of cool idea.

[Kane Knight]

I didn't know you could escape from the door, but I had Taran (CAW) vs Eddie today, and did a turnbuckle move to drop the fucker some. The door swings open and I entered an alternate slider screen (That thing that you use to escape when climbing)
.

WTF? Am I the only one who didn't know about this?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Batsu I noticed some new reversals for regular moves and finishers in this game (like the Angle Slam), which was actually kind of cool. This is actually a kind of cool idea.

Yeah, but they have so few reversals. They need more, at least different ones for different groups of moves (Maybe not one for EVERY DDT, but at least for the DDT group, and one for each distinct countering style), shit like that.

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Batsu Yuke's develops both games. What needs to happen is that Yuke's needs to put some of those moves from RR into SmackDown. (Though, they did put the hairstyles of Aisha, Miss Spencer, Candy Cane, and Dixie in CAW). Note that some SmackDown animations were in that game...

Yeah I noticed that one of the leg lock holds was excatly like Smackdown.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Batsu Yuke's develops both games. What needs to happen is that Yuke's needs to put some of those moves from RR into SmackDown. (Though, they did put the hairstyles of Aisha, Miss Spencer, Candy Cane, and Dixie in CAW). Note that some SmackDown animations were in that game...

I think he was alluding to the T&A.

[D Mac]

DING DING DING "What do we have for him Johnny?"

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I didn't know you could escape from the door, but I had Taran (CAW) vs Eddie today, and did a turnbuckle move to drop the fucker some. The door swings open and I entered an alternate slider screen (That thing that you use to escape when climbing) . WTF? Am I the only one who didn't know about this?

I don't know about "only," but I knew about it.

[Batsu]

Yeah, the door escape is new.

I hope some of the "handcuffing" is resolved in the next title. I had to use the Codebreaker more in this game than I ever did in a SmackDown title.

I.E.

you can take the Divas out of First Blood and bleeding, but relegating them to the wackass FYF match, Single and Submission matches is lame. Put them back in the Main Events and Hardcore matches. (Trish and Victoria actually did wrestle a few Hardcore matches in actual WWE, there's no excuse for this)

No more PSP-linkup unlockables. I can't say this enough.

No more blurs on CAWs. If there are clothes covering the necessary parts, that should be enough.

CAWs need to bring back the two tone color schemes. The plain "Blue" that you can slide to whichever color is kind of lazy.

More WWE logos.

Don't make it so difficult to hit flying attacks...it's ridiculous, almost not even worth it.

Bring back some, if not all the moves that were cut that didn't have new animations replacing them. (I'm talking about Samoan Driver (aka the real FU), all the Tazz suplexes, the Brock belly to belly, etc)

Scale down on the voiceovers... entrance music and movesets are more important...

Bring back the generic themes... the licensed music was kind of gay

Put in some of the moves from Rumble Roses...(the credible ones, anyway)

The base grapple should allow you to select both Heel and Face moves despite which mode you're using, and use of them should affect momentum accordingly.

Some moves need to overlap across categories...it was kind of difficult to make accurate movesets for certain wrestlers.

...otherwise, the game play and new features were the best I've ever seen in a SmackDown game ever.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Batsu Yeah, the door escape is new.

I knew it was new, I just didn't know if it was like widely known because I've seen no-one mention it.

I hope some of the "handcuffing" is resolved in the next title. I had to use the Codebreaker more in this game than I ever did in a SmackDown title. I.E. you can take the Divas out of First Blood and bleeding, but relegating them to the wackass FYF match, Single and Submission matches is lame. Put them back in the Main Events and Hardcore matches. (Trish and Victoria actually did wrestle a few Hardcore matches in actual WWE, there's no excuse for this)

Yeah, I have a female CAW I'd like to put in regular "main event" matches. I don't mind them not bleeding (though it is dumb), but this other shit "got to go."

No more PSP-linkup unlockables. I can't say this enough.

They probably will. Weak attempt to boost the sales of their PSP version (And PSP handhelds). 'Course, they can do this with every fucking PS2 game and I won't regret getting a DS.

No more blurs on CAWs. If there are clothes covering the necessary parts, that should be enough.

A big point. If kids want to make nude CAWS, they will find a way

CAWs need to bring back the two tone color schemes. The plain "Blue" that you can slide to whichever color is kind of lazy.

I don't know if we're talking about the same thing, ubt the color scheme setup definitely needs to go. It makes it hard to make certain hair and skin colors.

Don't make it so difficult to hit flying attacks...it's ridiculous, almost not even worth it.

Let's do one better. FIX. THE. SELLING. TIME. PERIOD.

Though I did just land 3 consecutive RVD Frog Splashes.

Bring back some, if not all the moves that were cut that didn't have new animations replacing them. (I'm talking about Samoan Driver (aka the real FU), all the Tazz suplexes, the Brock belly to belly, etc)

And even some of the indies. They used to do this, even if it was just with ECW and a few Japanese wrestlers. I miss my fucking Hangman DDT.

Scale down on the voiceovers... entrance music and movesets are more important...

I still think they should nix the voiceovers. It limits story mode grossly, and the only thing the commentary has in common with the real thing is making me try and tune it out 99.5% of the time.

Bring back the generic themes... the licensed music was kind of gay

OR at least do both. Ten licensed songs, a couple dozen generics.

The base grapple should allow you to select both Heel and Face moves despite which mode you're using, and use of them should affect momentum accordingly.

I like this as-is, actually.

Some moves need to overlap across categories...it was kind of difficult to make accurate movesets for certain wrestlers.

I agree here. Most moves should have multiple paths to them, period. Or they could just kill the "MArtial Arts" slot, or "Submission" slot shit. However, most moves are a combination of factors, and so putting them in multiple categories would make things less a headache.

...otherwise, the game play and new features were the best I've ever seen in a SmackDown game ever.

Agreed. Though there were some things in HCTP I liked better, overall this is probably leaps and bounds better.

What I'd like to see is some major changes. The engine is still pretty close to the original. Make it less crappy. And for God's sake, don't make the "remove the turnbuckle cover" button the same as "tag."

[Cuzziebro]

What I'd like to see is some major changes. The engine is still pretty close to the original. Make it less crappy. And for God's sake, don't make the "remove the turnbuckle cover" button the same as "tag."

LOL, So true.

[PorkSoda]

Yeah, Divas should participate in any match like the men and all that. You should even be able to take on through story mode.

Playstation is more organized than N64 or XBOX or Gamecube. N64's No Mercy you could take Linda McMahon through a world heavyweight championship story. You could take Triple H through the Womens story and have him wear a bikini. You could turn off pinfall, submission, DQ, and have a never ending match. You could have a hardcore Royal Rumble. How awesome would a hardcore Royal Rumble be with 6 people? THQ should let us fool around with all the rules in a standard match.

And one problem, it bugs the crap out of me in like a tornado tag match where two guys are in the ring and two are on the entrance how you can barely see what's going on. How about they do a split screen where it focuses on whats going on in the ring and whats going on in the entrance? You know how the screen just gets ultra wide?

You should have unlimited letters on your character. For example, I wanted to create the Cluckin Bell guy from GTA: San Andreas. I got the Cluckin Bell on the front and on the back I got up to Taste Th.

And this is annoying as hell. Only have the ref DQ you if you focus on him and attack. I'm tired of accidently hitting him and he DQ's me. Happens too often.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Originally Posted by PorkSoda And this is annoying as hell. Only have the ref DQ you if you focus on him and attack. I'm tired of accidently hitting him and he DQ's me. Happens too often.

No kidding. I started a new Season mode last night with Carlito, and got disqualified in my first match (with John Cena, as opposed to RVD) because I hit the ref like three times with a back elbow.

What REALLY aggravates me about this game is the sleeperhold system. Not BREAKING the hold (you only hit X ONE TIME, when it's in the blue, if anyone didn't know), but getting someone to submit that way is horrible. I went almost an hour against RVD that same night, and I was hell bound and determined to beat him with that sleeperhold. Nevermind the fact that he's completely bloody, every body part in red, he can still get out of it 19/20 times.

[Cuzziebro]

LOL, I have done a sleeperhold twice and both times was to an opponent that didnt have a completly red body and still i KO'ed him.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by UmbrellaCorporation No kidding. I started a new Season mode last night with Carlito, and got disqualified in my first match (with John Cena, as opposed to RVD) because I hit the ref like three times with a back elbow. What REALLY aggravates me about this game is the sleeperhold system. Not BREAKING the hold (you only hit X ONE TIME, when it's in the blue, if anyone didn't know), but getting someone to submit that way is horrible. I went almost an hour against RVD that same night, and I was hell bound and determined to beat him with that sleeperhold. Nevermind the fact that he's completely bloody, every body part in red, he can still get out of it 19/20 times.

It's best when you aren't just focused on the guy, but you're aimed like right at him with no interference, and should have a totally clean shot. And you hit the ref.

I like the sleeper system IDEA, but the shit don't work. I've gotten them to go to sleep, but it really doesn't work that well. Same with casket matches.

And Pork Soda, thanks for reminding me of Kane in a bikini. He was one of the first people I ran through with (aside from CAWs).

BTW, I got the trophy in GM mode my first try. While it's hard to get a lasting lead on the other show, it's not that hard. However, using your biggest stars in huge matches and losing to the other show is fucking frustrating week after week.

[Skippord]

Originally Posted by PorkSoda And this is annoying as hell. Only have the ref DQ you if you focus on him and attack. I'm tired of accidently hitting him and he DQ's me. Happens too often.

I had a matche with Jake Roberts(me) Vs JBL(com) and I had two specials and got Irish whipped near the Ref and gave the ref a Clothesline from Hell and got DQ'd

[Cuzziebro]

BTW, I got the trophy in GM mode my first try. While it's hard to get a lasting lead on the other show, it's not that hard. However, using your biggest stars in huge matches and losing to the other show is fucking frustrating week after week.

I have gotten through a few PPV's but GM Mode is really boring becuase you have to have big matches with real popular superstars if you want to beat the other show, and I have done like so many gimmick matches that they are boring. I hate it becuase when a wrestler complains about losing you have to make him win sooner or later and that means playing as him and its so boring playing matches.

[D Mac]

The next one will be on PS3 only so it's got to be better.

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac The next one will be on PS3 only so it's got to be better.

PS3 won't even see the light of day until possibly holiday season. Think this'd be a launch title?

Edit: Didn't see the earlier posts. Where was this announced?

I don't think PS3 will see SmackDown until 2007 (actual year, not "season" year)... JBI didn't even show up on PS2 until it'd been out for a few months. Business wise, it'd be a little better, because as you saw, Madden 06 on X360 wasn't exactly the mind-blower everyone expected it to be. Looking back, it usually takes THQ a couple tries to get it right...

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by UmbrellaCorporation No kidding. I started a new Season mode last night with Carlito, and got disqualified in my first match (with John Cena, as opposed to RVD) because I hit the ref like three times with a back elbow.

God...that was annoying as FAAAAHQUE....The ref gets in the way entirely too much. They might as well implement Dusty finishes if they're gonna do that.