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Old 12-04-2010, 03:46 PM   #401
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Oh man, I dont think I will be able to stand the Os next year. Holes at 1B and 3B and the best options appear to be Mark Reynolds for 3rd and Carlos Pena at 1st. Granted, both could hit about 35-40 HR in Camden Yards, but otherwise they'll be awful. (Reynolds hit .198 last year, Pena hit .196, both are career .240 hitters).

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Reynolds, 27, would have been a fine power replacement for Adrian Gonzalez, who appears to be headed to Boston. He's hit at least 28 home runs in each of the last three seasons, at least 32 in the last two seasons. Reynolds does strike out at a historic rate though; he's the first man in baseball history to be set down on strike three at least 200 times in three straight seasons.
Reynolds is under contract for $5MM in 2011 and then $7.5MM in 2012 before a $11MM club option for 2013 ($500K buyout) comes into play. Earlier today we heard that the Orioles were the front-runner to acquire him.
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NOW I'm in favor of signing Crawford. I just wanted a big bat
Are you worried that the lineup may be too heavy on the left side of the plate now?
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Oh man, I dont think I will be able to stand the Os next year. Holes at 1B and 3B and the best options appear to be Mark Reynolds for 3rd and Carlos Pena at 1st. Granted, both could hit about 35-40 HR in Camden Yards, but otherwise they'll be awful. (Reynolds hit .198 last year, Pena hit .196, both are career .240 hitters).
Too bad they couldn't have signed Dunn to DH. All 3 of the main "3 True Outcomes" players in the league. (HR, BB, K)
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Jeter’s back, but the Yankees have work to do


On the very day the Boston Red Sox reached across the country to get the player they’ve always wanted, the New York Yankees reached across their clubhouse and got the player who, by some appearances, had been shoved down their throats.

Derek Jeter(notes) is a Yankee again, and history will show he never really wasn’t. And maybe it’s best to remember it that way, as one long and seamless and elegant path, right up until the time someone has to tell Jeter he can’t play shortstop anymore. What’s a little “messy” among friends?

Until then, Jeter resumes his place as the one Yankee the Yankees never had to worry about, which is good, because the Red Sox today have given them plenty of that.

The Yankees will be into Jeter for about $50 million over three more seasons, a contract that could extend to four years until he is 40, and in that time likely will pay for itself. He is 74 hits from 3,000, just that far from one of the grander celebrations the new ballpark will ever see. He will raise his helmet by its earflap, the way he always does, and blink away any notion he is more than a humble servant of the pinstripes and the game. Jeter is wonderful like that, and a winner like that, and proud like that.

The Yankees can only hope that he is still a player like that.

The outcome presided over by St. Steinbrenner himself, it is the contract that had to happen and, if you’ll pardon the melodrama, the destiny that had to be abided. In spite of the cranky rhetoric that spilled from beneath meeting-room doors, Jeter was going to be a Yankee, for better or worse, in sickness and in wealth. The money was never going to damage the Yankee machinery, and neither was Jeter. On opening day, he would trot stiff-legged to the foul line, he would flap his glove at the right-field bleachers, he would inside-out a fastball and the Steinbrenners would applaud from their suite.

The rest, however, remains to be written.

If Jeter proves his poor 2010 was a statistical aberration (career low .270 batting average and .710 OPS), the Yankees win. If Jeter’s legs and bat have irretrievably slowed, then the Yankees exhale and wait for the day the Florida Marlins decide they can no longer afford Hanley Ramirez(notes).

Either way, the Jeter and Mariano Rivera(notes) contracts arrived within hours of each other, momentarily comforting Yankee Universe and clearing Brian Cashman’s desk. As they did, however, a tremor rose from the north, where the Red Sox were recasting a roster that last season was strangled by injury. The Yankees, tending first to themselves, had spent roughly $80 million and weren’t yet better than they were last season, when they finished second in their division and were put to rest by a superior pitching staff in Texas.

On the board still are the best free agents: Cliff Lee(notes), Carl Crawford(notes), Adrian Beltre(notes), Jayson Werth(notes) and Rafael Soriano(notes). As the Tampa Bay Rays fall back, the floor is cleared for the Yankees and Red Sox, and as one divisional executive sighed Saturday morning, “Such is life in the AL East.”

On the eve of the winter meetings, the Red Sox completed their swap of prospects for San Diego Padres first baseman and slugger Adrian Gonzalez(notes), who in their ballpark could become Manny Ramirez(notes) without the act. Leaning against re-signing third baseman Beltre and repositioning Kevin Youkilis(notes) in left field, the Red Sox remain engaged with outfielders Crawford and Werth.

The offseason turns now on a free-agent class that tips toward mediocrity after a handful of players. Even with Jeter and Rivera in, the Yankees are shy at least one pitcher and perhaps a bat, meaning Lee (and, presumably, Andy Pettitte(notes)) and one of those outfielders. They convinced Jeter and Rivera to defer portions of their contracts, in part so they could bear down on Lee, in particular. Lee appears to be not a luxury for the Yankees, but a necessity, as the Red Sox already had the deeper rotation and threaten again to bang with the Yankees.

They’ll all know better come March, when the sides will have been chosen and the money spent. But, for now, what’s best for the Yankees is to know who will lead them, whoever they are by then.

Their captain, of course.

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Word is no one wants to play in Baltimore (or Seattle)
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Not surprised at the lack of intrest for playing in Seattle since the team basically "gave up" after the bad start to the season and how they couldn't keep Cliff Lee for the year or get Jason Bay.

Meanwhile Cardinals signed Berkman to a 1 year at $8 million deal and Reds keep Arroyo for another 2 years at $23.5 million.
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Old 12-04-2010, 07:01 PM   #408
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Combined with Andy MacPhail's unwillingness to get hosed in trades or spend a lot of money on FA's.

They'll probably get Reynolds and Pena because there wont be much of a market for either of them.
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Not surprised at the lack of intrest for playing in Seattle since the team basically "gave up" after the bad start to the season and how they couldn't keep Cliff Lee for the year or get Jason Bay.

Meanwhile Cardinals signed Berkman to a 1 year at $8 million deal and Reds keep Arroyo for another 2 years at $23.5 million.
Bronson Arroyo 2 years at $23.5 million. WOW.
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Are you saying Bronson doesn't deserve it?
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I thought he'd ask for more.

BTW, just read thar Aaron Harang signed a 1 year del with the Padres.
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Yankees sign Derek Jeter!!!!!!!!! unfucking real. Can't wait to see him in pinstripes
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Adrian Gonzalez will finally stop hurting the Rockies

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So while I was away on vacation:

Jeter and Rivera sign.

Red Sox get A-Gon.

Aaron Harang to the Padres.

Rockies go into uncharted waters and sign Tulowitski to mega bucks.

The Cardinals sign Lance Berkman

Adam Dunn to the White Sox.

The great Ron Santo passes away.

Everything else seems kinda minor. It's only gonna get more insane starting tomorrow.
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This Adrian Gonzalez trade is going to be great for the Sox. They'll probably have Ortiz bat 3rd, Gonzalez 4th, Youkilis 5th. Plus, if they get Werth, they can have him hit 2nd or 6th. As always, Pedroia leading off. That is "Yankee-like".

And of course, Beckett-Lester-Lackey.
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This Adrian Gonzalez trade is going to be great for the Sox. They'll probably have Ortiz bat 3rd, Gonzalez 4th, Youkilis 5th. Plus, if they get Werth, they can have him hit 2nd or 6th. As always, Pedroia leading off. That is "Yankee-like".

And of course, Beckett-Lester-Lackey.

WRONG!

Breaking News:

The Adrian Gonzalez trade has apparently collapsed. Both sides couldn't come to a agreement on a new contract.
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The trade hasn't COLLAPSED. It can still be done, the only thing that ended was the window given by MLB so the Red Sox and Gonzalez could get an extension done.

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Red Sox are cheap shit. If they don't get this done they're not going to get anybody now.
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This Adrian Gonzalez trade is going to be great for the Sox. They'll probably have Ortiz bat 3rd, Gonzalez 4th, Youkilis 5th. Plus, if they get Werth, they can have him hit 2nd or 6th. As always, Pedroia leading off. That is "Yankee-like".

And of course, Beckett-Lester-Lackey.
I love that you have Lackey in there but not Bucholz.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:18 PM   #426
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Jesus Boston, the guy's 28. Give him the years.
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They make me fucking sick dude. Their cheap shit continues
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Seriously though, if length was the only issue and price was fine, this is the most retarded thing I've heard in a long time.
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Especially considering that they are shit out of luck now if they don't get Gonzalez. And because they have money to spend and don't want to, consistently.
So fucking what if they have to eat 2 years. That's the benefit of being a big market team. They like to pretend they're not.

Plus it was well fucking worth it, not only as a baseball move but as a business decision. The tv ratings have gone down by 50% in the past 2 years. This isn't going to make the Boston fans happy at all.

Fuckin Nationals making moves and the Red Sox looking for bargains
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I think it had to do with the difference between the 2 years since Red Sox wanted something around a 6 year $120 million deal but his agent wanted something near 8 years at $180 million. His agent was smart with the attempt since everyone was comparing him to Manny who got around $160 - $180 million when he signed.

Either way Red Sox are going to have to spend money since no Gonzalez means they have to give Beltre whatever he wants while Crawford's price rises due to Werth gone and fierce competition for him.
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Yea and it should have been spent towards Gonzalez and not for a player like Beltre. I don't think there is any angle that will make me content with this shit unless it's flat out rectified.
They just count on people to be slaves to the team.
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The one thing I don't understand is that the Sox must have known Gonzalez would want a Teixeira type deal, maybe they were hoping for a deal but they had to know it would eventually get to that price range. And he deserves it. He's put up the numbers the past 4 years or so in a ballpark that is terrible to hitters and a lineup with no protection.

They look even worse when you figure they were sticking on offering less years and money than Werth ended up getting.
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I think it'd be a terrible move for the Sox to sign Beltre now though, especially if he ends up getting a 5 year deal, which you have to think he will. That locks them up with Beltre and Youkilis at 1B/3B for a while.

Smartest move for them would be to get a one-year stopgap type 1st baseman like Lee or Pena and then be prepared to offer money for Pujols or Gonzalez (or Fielder I guess) after the season.
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The Red Sox would be foolish to not get it done. They're too deep in to tell the fanbase that it didn't get done.

And lol at Werth. He'll never live up to that deal. He got Holliday money and isn't anywhere near as good
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Also, that Werth deal is huge to Crawford.

He should get 8 years easily if Werth was able to get 7.
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Jayson Werth getting paid.
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Werth is good. He isn't that good.

And neither are the Nationals. And I don't think they will be at all during his contract.

Strasburg is out pretty much all next year, and nothing is guaranteed after that.

Harper is supposed to be good, but as a Cubs fan I know Shawon Dunston, Corey Patterson and so on and so on never really panned out. They were ok for a few years, but they weren't what they were supposed to be.

That said, both sides are going to regret this deal.

That said... I'd rather have Werth than Soriano for the money.
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What's Werth going to regret about this deal?

126 million>everything else
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Some players don't want to be the franchise guy - like it or not, Werth is that now. Him, Zimmerman and Stratsburg
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