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Old 12-04-2015, 07:53 PM   #1
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Heel Batista was amazing. Ripping on fat girls and geeks was a money promo for him.
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Heel Batista vs. Face Brock is a money match.
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:54 PM   #3
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If Roman Reigns beats Sheamus at TLC, I hope Batista beats him for the World Title and then defends it against Brock at Mania. Reigns can then face Triple H.
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I think its a bit of both.
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It's been 1 and a half years, and he has shown no improvement.

The promo he cut monday night sounded like it was written for John Cena.
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It's been 1 and a half years, and he has shown no improvement.

The promo he cut monday night sounded like it was written for John Cena.
Right or wrong, that's who's boots they want him to fill. So yeah that makes perfect sense.
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Not from what I watched on youtube, you could hear a pin drop before the light tater tot chants.
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Right or wrong, that's who's boots they want him to fill. So yeah that makes perfect sense.
It's been 1 and a half years, and he has shown no improvement. It seems like he's not up to par to play the part of Cena
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:54 PM   #9
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Not from what I watched on youtube, you could hear a pin drop before the light tater tot chants.
It's been 1 and a half years, and he has shown no improvement. It seems like he's not up to par to play the part of Cena
He's been headlining for about 6 weeks and the period between Rumble and Mania in 2015.
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He's been headlining for about 6 weeks and the period between Rumble and Mania in 2015.
He's been a singles wrestler for over a year.

Are you saying he is only supposed to start training on doing good promos when he is a headliner?
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:19 AM   #11
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Right or wrong, that's who's boots they want him to fill. So yeah that makes perfect sense.
... So since he's being groomed to replace Cena he should be cutting the same promos as Cena? Fuck actually giving a guy a unique personality. WWE logic 101 right there. I wonder if there's a box at the Gorilla position marked "heel promos" and one marked "face promos" and the guys just take a script from the appropriate box 5 minutes before going out.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:55 PM   #12
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... So since he's being groomed to replace Cena he should be cutting the same promos as Cena? Fuck actually giving a guy a unique personality. WWE logic 101 right there. I wonder if there's a box at the Gorilla position marked "heel promos" and one marked "face promos" and the guys just take a script from the appropriate box 5 minutes before going out.
Do you think New Day and The Wyatts cut the same promo?
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Do you think New Day and The Wyatts cut the same promo?
No. Apparently you think they should though based on that Reigns/Cena comment since it clearly implies that successful characters must all follow the same formula.

A few examples that deviate from that path on a HUGE fucking roster over the years doesn't mean there isn't a norm still. Brock Lesnar wasn't booked as a generic chicken shit heel with a paint-by-numbers personality cutting the same promos as everyone else. 99% of the rest of the heel roster was though.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:11 AM   #14
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And the tater tot chant was kinda weak. If these wrestlers weren't so glued to a script, after the weak tater tot chant started Sheamus could have yelled "Stop that! I am not a tater tot!" to get the crowd chanting it louder.

But no wrestlers don't know how to improvise now since everything is written for them.
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And the tater tot chant was kinda weak. If these wrestlers weren't so glued to a script, after the weak tater tot chant started Sheamus could have yelled "Stop that! I am not a tater tot!" to get the crowd chanting it louder.

But no wrestlers don't know how to improvise now since everything is written for them.
The crowd WAS into it though.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:04 AM   #16
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Before the main event this past week:
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I think a big part of this argument is being lost to reason. John Cena, although it seems like an eternity ago, was massively over when he turned and started to become the guy. He got over on the basis of his vastly superior mic work as a rapper.

They want Reigns to step up and fill the shoes of someone whose a) pure talent and ability he doesn't have b) without waiting for him to organically get himself over.

It is forced, contrived, and the fans see right through it. 500k fans switching off during the show is 500k fans who would rather watch something else than Roman Reigns in the main event of a show.

TV ratings are still a massive indicator of the product because that is where people who are really into it, will watch it first. He is losing them and is now starting to lose people in the arenas too.
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Literally looks like 6 or 7 people in the aisles. Most people still watching.

Dirt sheetz and Internet goons turn it into everyone was leaving.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:00 PM   #19
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Mountain out of a moehill

Literally looks like 6 or 7 people in the aisles. Most people still watching.

Dirt sheetz and Internet goons turn it into everyone was leaving.

Every mountain starts as a molehill. If even 1 "viewer" doesn't stick around for what is supposed to be "the main attraction", that should tell them that it just isn't working. No, it isn't going to appeal to "every single viewer" but the ratings tell the rest of the story.
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Every mountain starts as a molehill. If even 1 "viewer" doesn't stick around for what is supposed to be "the main attraction", that should tell them that it just isn't working. No, it isn't going to appeal to "every single viewer" but the ratings tell the rest of the story.
If i have an arena with 8k people and 50 leave and 7950 stay, i'm not losing sleep.
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Also, stop avoiding inconvenient subjects that go against your WWE apologist BS. You hype yourself as someone who uses logic and facts and smugly tell people "You have no argument" but when your back is against the wall, you literally just ignore shit hoping it goes away. Man up or drop the gimmick, SON.
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Also, stop avoiding inconvenient subjects that go against your WWE apologist BS. You hype yourself as someone who uses logic and facts and smugly tell people "You have no argument" but when your back is against the wall, you literally just ignore shit hoping it goes away. Man up or drop the gimmick, SON.
Ive said this before, but I feel like I respond too much to people.

Lol man I love this perception -"you hype yourself up". Who do I hype myself to? Is it true that I know I'm on point 99.9% off the time? Yes. But I just post on here. If that's hyping myself, cool.
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Yeah stop acting like a tater tot.
Stop reading John Cena's scripts. People will tune out of this thread in droves.
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he keeps ignoring me. much like he ignores wwe logic that goes against his agenda.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:56 PM   #30
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As much as Cynick is full of shit everyone in here is wrong. Reigns is appealing to a good portion of the audience. But a large chunk of fans dislike him so much they leave early. These fans do not even stick around to tell him he sucks. That is pretty sad.

It will be really hard to find a wrestler everyone can get behind with the type of storytelling that goes on.
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:06 PM   #31
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:50 PM   #32
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When you can't find a way to make Johnny fucking Curtis a star, you're just hopeless. Seriously. The guy has everything. EVERYTHING.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:47 PM   #33
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Yeah, words and their definitions are important. Apology accepted. Take an English class and come back, SON!
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:48 PM   #34
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But seriously, that definition of "adult" changes nothing. At all. You're still literally saying WWE should go out of their way to alienate a certain demographic and that's still REALLY fucking dumb.
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:30 AM   #35
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But seriously, that definition of "adult" changes nothing. At all. You're still literally saying WWE should go out of their way to alienate a certain demographic and that's still REALLY fucking dumb.
I disagree. My thinking is don't try to fight the lifelong fans who like to pay for shows month after month, boo the current top guy, and cheer for the new indy hero that had been signed, and do the Fandango dance, and then blog to the guy banging Mick Foley's daughter that everything sucks.
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My thinking is don't try to fight the lifelong fans...
There's a difference between "not fighting" and "going out of your way"....
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Yeah I guess. I just mean I would keep have Reigns cut cheesy promos like Cena does. It wouldnt bother me if that group of the audience rejects him. Obviously its best to have everyone like him, but I dont think thats possible today.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:30 PM   #38
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Yeah I guess. I just mean I would keep have Reigns cut cheesy promos like Cena does. It wouldnt bother me if that group of the audience rejects him. Obviously its best to have everyone like him, but I dont think thats possible today.
why have roman cut cena promos when it clearly isn't him? did cena get over emulating a predecessor's style? did stone cold? did the rock? did hulk hogan? these guys brought their own unique personality to the table, and that played a huge part in them connecting with the audience. why not allow reigns the same chance instead of forcing him to fill shoes he doesn't have the tools to fill?
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Yeah I guess. I just mean I would keep have Reigns cut cheesy promos like Cena does. It wouldnt bother me if that group of the audience rejects him. Obviously its best to have everyone like him, but I dont think thats possible today.
Its possible and simple but WWE creative is to dumb to figure it out.
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