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Old 09-05-2022, 01:35 PM   #401
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As someone who watched the horror film CM Punk was in, I can assure you he isn't a good enough actor for any of this to be a work
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Don't care about any of this backstage shit but I hate the Young Bucks.
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Weren't punk's fights against guys well above his skill class?

Ask Yuji Nagata how that goes.
No. The 1st one was. The 2nd 1 was against a bum. No profights. And hasnt had any since. The guy completely humiliated punk effortlessly in comical fashion. But no the 2nd fight was a bum the likes of which we've never seen in mma before. The kind of bum we see in boxing to pad a guys record but never before in mma. Picked to give punk an easy win in his home town. And the guy mauled punk.
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TBH Destor, Mike Jackson would probably maul you too.
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I mean people like to joke about Punk in UFC, but he would legit beat up or hold his own against 95 percent of wrestlers today.
Lol This should be obvious. It’s like when someone jokes that their high school football team could beat the absolute worst NFL team.

Only in this case a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel wrestling nerds who shit themselves at the thought physical or even verbal confrontation try to convince themselves it’s actually true to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.
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Old 09-05-2022, 03:29 PM   #409
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And yeah, that 95% number is obviously more of an indictment toward wrestlers of today than it is praise toward Punk. Obviously we go back in time and that number drops to like 5%. Lol

Most wrestlers today haven’t been in a real fight.

Hell, I’d argue that many of them haven’t been in a fake fight.
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And yeah, that 95% number is obviously more of an indictment toward wrestlers of today than it is praise toward Punk. Obviously we go back in time and that number drops to like 5%. Lol

Most wrestlers today haven’t been in a real fight.

Hell, I’d argue that many of them haven’t been in a fake fight.
You are being generous on that 5%

But this is a fair assessment, to be honest. I want both parties to lose, but if one has to win, I would go with the one that would improve the company overall. Especially if it fosters a "listen to the guys that have been there before. Even if you don't agree, you may be surprised" attitude in the back, which is severely lacking. Which is actually one of the issues with Hangman.

Like I said, fuck both of em, but Punk slightly less?
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The Bucks aren’t in AEW to make money, create hot programs, or elevate the company they’re in. They’re in AEW to fart around with their friends. Why they didn’t book themselves to have their second match against red hot FTR for the tag titles at All Out is proof enough for me. They don’t need the trios titles and mooching off Kenny’s return, which has been uninspired from a storytelling pov, just tells me they’re not really interested in the things punk was highlighting; making money, selling tickets and selling ppvs.

Say what you will about Punk, what he said isn’t wrong. And I firmly believe he’d beat up the bucks lol
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Hopefully shit will be sorted out backstage but it would be genuinely hilarious if Hangman, Omega, and The Bucks all ended up in WWE 4 years after WWE tried to stop AEW from happening.
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So is Tony going to suspend Punk like he did Eddie for getting physical?

Be cause champion or not, thats a double standard if he doesn't.
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I didn’t watch any of the show and have only read comments about what happened after. But man, whoever said AEW is the spiritual successor to WCW, they weren’t kidding.
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I really can’t wait to see what the fuck happens at Grand Slam. Last year they threw out probably the closest thing to a PPV card on TV that they could’ve, on both Dynamite and Rampage.

People are very much expecting Punk/MJF and unless they’re gonna carry these real life tensions into story and do Punk/Hangman or Punk/Omega or something else like that I don’t see how it can be anything but Punk/MJF at that show.

Booking has been messy but they’ve got a chance to get some goodwill back. They drop the ball with this at their big stadium show and they might actively start to lose fans from what they thought was a reliable baseline.
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Punk v Omega and the Bucks sounds due strictly because the latter three can’t cut convincing non dorky promos. I think they’ll save mjf v punk for full gear. Can’t see them moving the title off punk before then. And they should try to sell their third meeting as a huge ppv main event instead of a TV match.
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Also hoping MJF just did a business transaction with Stokely to help him get the chip and that’s that. Tony doesn’t have a good track record with stables and MJF doesn’t need one.
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Lol This should be obvious. It’s like when someone jokes that their high school football team could beat the absolute worst NFL team.

Only in this case a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel wrestling nerds who shit themselves at the thought physical or even verbal confrontation try to convince themselves it’s actually true to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.
completely false. punk has a raw lack of physical awareness that is truly unique, it is in no way hyperbole when a person says the marks could take CM Punk. The guy spent millions on training and doesnt know how to throw a jab. I dont mean he has a bad jab. I mean he has a cartoon representation of what a jab is supposed to look like. Joe Rogan said it best you could take a random guy you found at a gas station who does nothing but drink and smoke and in the worst case in 3 weeks he'd be better than CM Punk (who trained for years to be that bad btw.)

https://youtu.be/yxleZpWSKQE

its not a joke or a dig. he's uniquely ill suited for fighting. he's one of those guys that gets in a domestic and his girlfriend wins. the only people who defend him are people who never saw him, or are marks worked by his stuff that have never fought (formally or otherwise,) and/or cant do even the smallest amount of assessment with their eyes. if you could youd watch even the smallest amount of his footage and cringe at just how shockingly bad it is. Its likely theyre the only ones Punk could actually take because if you dont know enough to know you could kick his ass of all asses fighting is not for you. I recommend buying a gun.

Punk went into the UFC with a name he made elsewhere and took the spot of guys far more deserving than him, guys who spent their lives trying to make it to that stage, and was humiliated in a way that had never happened before outside of those celebrity boxing train wrecks all while getting a nice paycheck that should have been going to more deserving people.

I can understand coming from a place of ignorance on the topic, thats fair. maybe you dont follow the sport or you never got around to seeing those fights. maybe violence just isnt your thing. fair enough. but to pretend like is anything other than the physical comedy that is is preposterous. he is not "good for an amateur but bad for a pro" he isnt even "good for a bar and bad for a pro."

A highschool wrestling team could score a takedown on punk 9 out of 10 times. find me any YMCA boxing enthusiast and i promise they can take punk at will until their arms give out. and then theres the ground game. he couldnt win a women's league. and the only people who wouldnt take everything i just literally are punk marks.
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completely false. punk has a raw lack of physical awareness that is truly unique, it is in no way hyperbole when a person says the marks could take CM Punk. The guy spent millions on training and doesnt know how to throw a jab. I dont mean he has a bad jab. I mean he has a cartoon representation of what a jab is supposed to look like. Joe Rogan said it best you could take a random guy you found at a gas station who does nothing but drink and smoke and in the worst case in 3 weeks he'd be better than CM Punk (who trained for years to be that bad btw.)

https://youtu.be/yxleZpWSKQE

its not a joke or a dig. he's uniquely ill suited for fighting. he's one of those guys that gets in a domestic and his girlfriend wins. the only people who defend him are people who never saw him, or are marks worked by his stuff that have never fought (formally or otherwise,) and/or cant do even the smallest amount of assessment with their eyes. if you could youd watch even the smallest amount of his footage and cringe at just how shockingly bad it is. Its likely theyre the only ones Punk could actually take because if you dont know enough to know you could kick his ass of all asses fighting is not for you. I recommend buying a gun.

Punk went into the UFC with a name he made elsewhere and took the spot of guys far more deserving than him, guys who spent their lives trying to make it to that stage, and was humiliated in a way that had never happened before outside of those celebrity boxing train wrecks all while getting a nice paycheck that should have been going to more deserving people.

I can understand coming from a place of ignorance on the topic, thats fair. maybe you dont follow the sport or you never got around to seeing those fights. maybe violence just isnt your thing. fair enough. but to pretend like is anything other than the physical comedy that is is preposterous. he is not "good for an amateur but bad for a pro" he isnt even "good for a bar and bad for a pro."

A highschool wrestling team could score a takedown on punk 9 out of 10 times. find me any YMCA boxing enthusiast and i promise they can take punk at will until their arms give out. and then theres the ground game. he couldnt win a women's league. and the only people who wouldnt take everything i just literally are punk marks.
This, 100%. It is why I was against Punk being in any position other than a nostalgia showcase. That doesn't mean he always had to lose, just not be the badass, because he is not.

His match against Darby, where he sat up to counter the coffin drop and chuckled, that worked because it was a vet using his brain to barely beat an up and comer.

Having him outfight the killer that is Mox, it is just illogical.
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Like I said, fuck both of em, but Punk slightly less?
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I mean, if the bucks and hangman were the ones starting rumors about colt being fired or resigned to ROH true, then they already proved punks point.

I also don’t see how anyone expects him to just sit there and have all these rumors floating around and expect him to say nothing
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Take that entire description and you’re describing an average mark. Now add SOME training, experience, stamina, athleticism, etc. and you’ve got Punk. You’re judging Punk as uniquely unqualified to fight because he actually tried against other pro fighters and there’s video evidence. As bad as he was, you can’t seriously hear “the marks could take him” and think of that as anything but hyperbole.
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Based on what we have heard from those in the company today, here is what we can ascertaine:

*After Punk finished venting his heart out at the AEW All Out Media Scrum, he returned to his locker room, where there was an altercation.

*Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks went to Punk's locker room and confronted him about his comments during the scrum.

*There was a physical altercation with Punk and Matt and Nick Jackson

*No one sharing stories is quite sure who threw the first punch.

*Kenny Omega was there but did not get into a physical altercation with Punk.

*Ace Steel arrived and did get involved as his wife was in the vicinity of the incident, possibly even inside Punk's locker room as she was watching over Punk's dog Larry. Steel was said to have gotten physically involved.

*A number of AEW staff and security hit the scene to break up the fracas and separate the Punk side from the Elite side.

*Once the sides were separated, they continued to argue for some time before The Bucks and Omega exited the area of Punk's locker room. There was a lot of yelling from each side.

*Tony Khan was not present at the incident at any point as he was still on stage for the media scrum.

*At least one of the Bucks late last night was said to be sporting a black eye.

*We have heard from a number of people in the company backing one side and blaming the other. Some were backing Omega and The Bucks, given Punk's comments, feeling Punk's verbal statements led to the incident and he was the guilty party. Others were backing Punk and questioning why EVPs stormed into his locker room, placing Punk in a situation where he would be outnumbered and that their decision to go there was partly responsible.

*Others are questioning how things will go down at TV this Wednesday given the situation involved the company's new champion, three EVPS and a Producer, all of whom are in positions of being leaders behind the scenes.

*The Bucks and Omega left Chicago earlier today.

*AEW is being very tight-lipped about the situation but the belief among those we've spoken with is the company is likely trying to determine where blame should be placed and what their course of action is going forward.

*It should be noted that over the course of the day, some of the stories around the incident have gotten more and more fantastical (as they were passed and on) and involved other names. In regard to FTR (who are close with Punk) and Hangman Page (close with the Elite, obviously), they were not present as they had all exited the NOW Arena after the PPV had concluded as they were not needed for the Media Scrum. They were not involved.

*There were some who had sympathy for MJF, feeling the situation overshadowed his return angle that closed the PPV and that the entire scenario has now deflected the attention from the PPV itself.
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We're told that "Ace Steel shoot cracked Nick Jackson with a chair," with another person saying they think he's lucky to not be in jail. Several sources in AEW that we spoke with said that they believe Ace Steel will not be back in the company after this incident. PWinsider had also noted Steel's wife was said to have been around, caring for Punk's dog. The story of Nick Jackson having a black eye came from Steel throwing a chair at him.

Security was called and there were "many people" trying to break everything up. One person outright said it was a situation of "them trying to save lives." There was an incredible amount of heat on Ace Steel after this situation, with one person saying they weren't sure what happened, but that "it couldn't have possibly escalated to hitting someone with a chair."
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Steele should be rightfully fired immediately.

I don’t know why Kenny and the bucks thought it was a good idea to go into Punk’s locker room. Instead of being executives and reaching out to set up a meeting, you know, like real executives.

Regardless, Tony needs to squash this shit ASAP because it is fucking toxic to his company and its perception and it’s once again overshadowing what was a killer main event IMO and the return of asédialo their most talked about star.
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I also don’t see how anyone expects him to just sit there and have all these rumors floating around and expect him to say nothing
Thing is, literally nobody asked him about it. Punk opened the scrum by specifically calling on a reporter he knew did improv with Colt, hence Punk baiting him by asking "do you still do improv? Who did you do improve again?" he wanted Colt's name out there to justify beginning his tirade. So he seemingly went into this scrum fully intending on doing what he did, and he said repeatedly "it's a real shame I have to spend time addressing this" when, again, nobody even asked a question about it.

Also despite his beef with Hangman for "going into business with himself" and the EVPs for starting the rumors (and again, SRS was the first one to bring up the Colt speculation and he's said the EVPs were not his source)...he spent a lot more time dragging Colt than anyone else.

For a guy who supposedly wants nothing to do with Colt anymore he sure enjoyed discussing his lawsuit in the open, calling him a leech, dragging his financial situation and on multiple times bringing up the fact that he has a shared bank account with his mom. Colt hasn't said a word about Punk publicly in years and is basically persona non grata in AEW, so why's Punk going out of his way to shit on him?

Just very strange behavior IMO.
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Thing is, literally nobody asked him about it. Punk opened the scrum by specifically calling on a reporter he knew did improv with Colt, hence Punk baiting him by asking "do you still do improv? Who did you do improve again?" he wanted Colt's name out there to justify beginning his tirade. So he seemingly went into this scrum fully intending on doing what he did, and he said repeatedly "it's a real shame I have to spend time addressing this" when, again, nobody even asked a question about it.

Also despite his beef with Hangman for "going into business with himself" and the EVPs for starting the rumors (and again, SRS was the first one to bring up the Colt speculation and he's said the EVPs were not his source)...he spent a lot more time dragging Colt than anyone else.

For a guy who supposedly wants nothing to do with Colt anymore he sure enjoyed discussing his lawsuit in the open, calling him a leech, dragging his financial situation and on multiple times bringing up the fact that he has a shared bank account with his mom. Colt hasn't said a word about Punk publicly in years and is basically persona non grata in AEW, so why's Punk going out of his way to shit on him?

Just very strange behavior IMO.
Surely the answer to all of this is that Adam Page decided to bring up the situation on live TV and air out something personal in a really unprofessional way?

If the whole situation is anyone’s fault, it’s his for bringing backstage tension and gossip on to their TV show and trying to cut out the legs of their biggest star?
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so it's really smart to double down and shit your pants about it after a ppv in a super professional manner
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The Bucks and Omega are instigating wankers. They shouldn’t be EVPs. Also, they suck as wrestlers.
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The Bucks and Omega are instigating wankers. They shouldn’t be EVPs. Also, they suck as wrestlers.
I don't think saying they suck as wrestlers is fair to say, they just need more of a filter on them. They're like Russo without Vince. They've just gotta tone down the act (I'm speaking more so about the Bucks than I am about Omega).
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I dont want MJF to be a babyface , and I dont want Punk to be a heel but it seems to be going that way.

I feel a heel MJF as a chicken shit champion, and a babyface chasing - having to run the gauntlet is a better draw. The question is , is Punk that babyface?
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