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Old 02-11-2004, 06:28 PM   #1
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Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Joe Cole
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Well, we signed Smertin just to loan him to Pompey, I don't see why we wouldn't give you them.
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I thought Mutu was a waste a space today really. In each of the last 3 Chelsea games i've seen he's missed at least 1 brilliant chance to score.
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What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?
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What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?
nope not me, i only just got in

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy.
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nope not me, i only just got in

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy.
Haha, you probably knew he was rubbish before I told you, but he did what I said he would.


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Duff on the left wing, Gronkjaer on the right wing (Yeah I just dissed him, but when he hits form he is the man, if you saw the end of last season) Lampard attacking, and Petit defending.

Don't get me wrong, Makelelelelele is great, but what a waste of 16 million, he is 30 , and we didn't need him. We didn't know Cole or Veron yet we bought both. We have Forssell and Carlton Cole yet we sign two new attackers, only Mutu is good, Crepso DIVES.


And LOL at Forlans header against the bar. and your defence in general was a MESS.
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Oh fucking god. Hoddle is almost certainly going back to Southampton, Lowe just said you need to give people a second chance, he's spoken to Hoddle etc....
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Why?!

why the fuck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.
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Old 02-12-2004, 04:38 PM   #9
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why the fuck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.
See thats where your wrong. Lemme set the scene for all you Hoddle haters. It was the summer of '93, and Hoddle had been player manager for Swindon, and guided them to the premiership. Chelsea had just sacked Ian Portafield, and David Webb's temporary managerial contract was terminated, Stamford Bridge crowds were fairly low. We signed Hoddle, in the first year, we reached the F.A Cup final, (the score isn't important). As United were champions that season, Chelsea snuck into the UEFA Cup winners cup, and guess what happened that season, many fans came back, and the Bridge was full again, reaching the semi finals and then just going out to Zaragoza, who won the competition wasn't exactly bad. The season after, Hoddle brought in Gullit, for free, the best player Chelsea had seen in ages. Hoddle left the post at the end of the season, and Gullit took over, and brought in players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, and from their, Chelsea started on their road to success.

Since then we have been in the Champions League Quarter Final, and finished 3rd and 4th in the league, and whats more, Hoddle didn't have any money to flaunt around, he barely spent anything at us.

Anyone who tells you Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around is a moron.

He did well for England, losing to the Argies wasn't exactly unexpected, and the reason for his sacking is a disgrace, it wasn't footy related.

At Southampton, Hoddle started what Strachan continued, I think that he did a good job their too. The only club I think he has failed as a manager at is Tottenham, and lets face it, who was the last sucessful manager they had?

Swindon, Chelsea, England and Southampton, he never let any of them down. Just Spurs.
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Good thing Hoddles going back otherwise they could have been a minor success and the premiership just wouldn't be the same in Southampton were consistently good.
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Eileen Drury will be happy, she can help the Southampton players now.
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This is from the BBC about the Hoddle thing

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Southampton chairman Rupert Lowe has confirmed Glenn Hoddle is a candidate for the manager's job.
Lowe rejected suggestions he had bowed to fans pressure in dropping plans to bring Hoddle back to the club he walked out on three years ago.

But Lowe told a news conference Hoddle could still replace Gordon Strachan and he will not be swayed by fans.

Lowe said the popular choice was not always the right one and that people deserved a second chance.


Lowe had refused to be drawn on speculation but broke his silence on Thursday afternoon at a news conference.

His comments confirmed that he could still hold the door open for the former England manager.

Lowe is an admirer of Hoddle's coaching credentials and said: "He is a tremendous coach.

"We want somebody who can coach the excellent squad we have built up, to lead them and be tactically aware so instead of us going to Old Trafford and Highbury and losing narrowly, we win.

"Yes Glenn left this club under a cloud but if anyone should be bearing a grudge it is me as he put me through the mill (when he left).


"We are not under any time pressure to bring someone in"

Saints chairman Rupert Lowe



"It took me some time to find a solution and when we appointed Gordon Strachan we had a similar response from fans because of what had happened at Coventry.


"Glenn Hoddle remains an option. We have not done a U-turn - he could still be appointed manager.

"But I am not ruling anything in and I am not ruling anything out.

"I'm not going to appoint anyone who will rip this club apart as in the Ian Branfoot era.

"But regardless of whether he is the popular choice we will do what is right for this club."

At the weekend fans unveiled banners protesting against Hoddle replacing outgoing Strachan.

The strength of opinion against Hoddle's return even took in Southampton's MPs.

Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead said: "My immediate reaction is that this is not a good idea.

"I am not sure it is the right move."

John Denham, member for Southampton Itchen, said: "Hoddle managed to upset a lot of supporters when he left this club.

"He received huge support from them yet he couldn't bring himself to say anything nice about the club, the city or the fans when he left."

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I'm only doubting his reappointment, he walked out on the club, left them high and dry, and now they wanna welcome him back with open arms, when he said "fuck you" to them. I just think its stupid, and Rupert Lowe and Hoddle are gonna have a serious backlash.
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If Lowe thinks the Saints fans don't have the right to feel aggrieved towards Hoddle he's an idiot
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Was that the worst tackle in premiership history???
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No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.
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No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.
I didn't hear the update on delaney, They thought he'd broken a leg. Whats the new on that then??
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He hasn't broken his leg, but even so, that tackle was a disgrace
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Steve Stone some how managed to get a stress fracture in his leg while warming up yesterday and could be out for the whole season, Patrik Berger has done his knee in and could be out for the whol season, Teddy Sheringham has torn his hamstring and could be out for a month or so.

seriously, did they stage a mirror breaking competition at Fratton Park or something because the amount of injuries we've had this season is just stupid
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Its what happens to the lower clubs in the Premiership, they don't get any luck
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Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

Anyone care to remember World Cup 98 and the fiasco leading up to it. He played Andy Hinchcliffe and Phil Neville constantly in the build up and then decided to go to France with only one left back in Greame Le Saux who ended up being England's worst player and everyone who on his case after the first game. He also ended up getting hurt.

He also fucked around with Gazza big time before that tourney and the way he told him (as well as the others) they weren't in the squad was a disgrace.

He also was majorly critical of David Beckham before the championship and refused to play him half the time when everyone was begging to have him in. And when he did, he scored a cracker against Columbia. It was obvious he was jealous of Beckham too for some reason. Hoddle always took part in training and probably thought he was better still than his players and after Beckham screwed up one skill in practise, in front of everyone, Hoddle mocked him saying "obviously you are not good enough to do that". Tony Adams also went public in saying his treatment of Beckham after the red card was a total embarrassment (Adams went right up in my estamation too) being that he totally shunned him.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.
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Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.
Gullit spent nearly £10million on two players, if Hoddle had that kind of money, he could have acheived more. Gullit basically looked at the team, and then decided to bring in a new backbone, by signing LeBoeuf (2.5mil), Di Matteo (4.9mil), Zola (4.9mil).

If you want to talk about how Hoddle upset players, then must I remind you of Vialli and how upset he was under Gullit. All managers piss players off, not just Hoddle.

Strachan has NOT shown Hoddle up at Southampton, Hoddle laid the foundations of Southampton, had he stayed there I believe that he would have done a good job, better then Strachan. And ten points above relegation isn't exacly good. Wow, Strap-on got Southampton to the F.A Cup final, remind me who they played along the way.

And he was wrong to say what he did about disabled people, but its his opinion, he should get sacked for football matters, NOT off-pitch matters.
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It was disgraceful that they sacked him before they were charged or anything, there was no reason to sack him.
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Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.
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Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.
Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.
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Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.
I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final?
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I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final?
I cannot see how anyone can say he did not turn the club around, without Hoddle, there would be no Gullit, the only reason to say that Gullit turned us around is that with Hoddle we finished something like 13th every season, but givn the money Gullit had, Hoddle would have made us more of a force, maybe with different players, but regardless, IMO, Hoddle would have done just as good a job. I think that Hoddle did more for the club, but Gullit did a fantastic job.

If it was up to me, Abramovich would be out, Kenyon would fuck off back to you, Batesy would be in charge, and either Hoddle or Gullit would be the manager.

As for the cup match, Kanchelskis DIVED.
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You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well
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You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well
He did dodgy transfers for you. AND he is a United fan, so why come to Chelsea? for a fatter pocket no doubt. He can piss off if he is trying to upset Bates. He is never going to get over with the fans if he acts like a dick.

And as for the other three. It is still my belief, that the game would have turned out MUCH differently if you didnt get that second penalty. David Ellery should have listened to his lino, but instead he had to be a dick, he ruined the match.
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Hey did you hear the Arsenal fans on Tuesday night singing "Stand up if you hate Hoddle" in unison with the Southampton fans?

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Just reading about it on Sky Sports. It's a shame that it got leaked out that he was leaving early because this has happened.
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Hoddle might have had some success but he's a mediocre manager at very best. I thought swindon were up before 93 too cause I thought they were like the first team to go out of the premiership. I remember frazer digby being the worst keeper i'd ever seen, although I had a particular loathing for les sealey (RIP) at the time too. Whenever schmeichel got injured and he came on I knew we were fucked.

Hoddle might be able to lay foundations and give teams somewhat of a bulding ground but how much of that is pure luck? No team he's ever been in has been a real force, and I know you can say that about a lot of managers, but I just don't understand why chairmen would give the same old people jobs all over the place when they usually succeed in very little.
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No, they were in division one in the 1992/93 season, he got them promoted, and then left, and then they were rubbish, letting 100 goals and all.

Everyone has opinions, and mine is that the only team that Hoddle failed at was spurs, and they haven't had a good manager in ages.

There are only two managers I would welcome back to Chelsea, Hoddle or Gullit, I would much rather have either of them then Ranieri.
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what's wrong with ranieri?

he's funny as fuck
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what's wrong with ranieri?

he's funny as fuck
You actually want to know whats wrong with him? well:

Firstly - He has signed players he didnt even want this season, I said this at the start of the season, when Ferguson sold Beckham, he was expecting to sign Ronaldinho, and then that collapsed, instead of panicking and buying someone, Ferguson left it how it was because there was no one he wanted, he them sold ANOTHER midfielder (Veron), and he never replaced either of them. When Ranieri failed at signed Vieri, Henry and Raul, he bought Mutu, but that was because he couldn't get the others, not becuse he really wanted Mutu, he buys players on the spot if he cant get him man.

He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

He released England under 21s first choice keeper, and brought in rejects like Sullivan, Macho and Ambrosio. Sold Leon Knight, who was great for the reserves, and has been good for Brighton.

He gets tactics all wrong, and plays players int he wrong position.

Because he has the money he spends it, on worthless crap we don't need.

He doesn't realise that the way to get players to hit form is to play them regulary, its not suprising that our best three players have been Cudicini, Terry and Lampard. He rotates it way too much. We will never even come second with him incharge.
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He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

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To be fair Dazz, he hasn't had the oppurtunity to play Veron, thank God for that. But I think you're being harsh with what you said about Bridge. I think he was a great buy and hes probably been Chelseas most consistent defender after Terry. Remember he is an England international.

And also, Geremi was just reaching good form until he got injured.
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I'd still have him over glenn "anderton over beckham" hoddle

lol, i just called him glenn waddle there
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