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Old 03-23-2006, 07:42 PM   #1
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I have proof that solves the Mysterio issue once and for all.

From a reliable news source.

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Some fans may be uncomfortable with the repeated references to the Guerrero-Mysterio friendship in storylines that have led up to Wrestlemania. But Mysterio insisted references to Guerrero came with his family's blessing.



"We would not have done anything without … Vickie's [Eddie's widow] blessing," he said. "If anything, Eddie would have wanted it this way. He may have gotten a kick out of some of the things we said about him."
From ABCNEWS. That's right, ABCNEWS. A reliable news source. Don't believe?

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...1754238&page=3
 
Old 03-23-2006, 07:57 PM   #2
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Cena will NEVER EVER go that low on the card. He is NEVER going to be a jobber.
Funny, claiming it'll never happen.
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Old 03-23-2006, 07:53 PM   #3
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I wish some bad apples would go to TNA show tapings. Just boo somebody for christ sakes. (other than JJ obviously.)

I can't wait to see Cena on Velocity at this time next year.
I don't think we'll see either happen. Especially since booing is against TNA's policy, and WWE admitting that one of their top guys isn't drawing is against theirs.
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:49 PM   #4
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When's SmackDowm! gonna become ECW!? Or was it WCW..? When is DX coming back?!? Is Eddie gonna run in on WM's main event? In favor of Orton?!?

I want reliable answers that will ruin the show for me, despite wanting to know so bad!!!
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That doesn't solve shit. I still think Rey Mysterio is benefiting from his friend's death...something I would never do.

By the way, we already knew Vickie gave her blessings to continue to have Eddie be a part of the story lines...doesn't mean we have to give it the thumbs up.

Oh and one more thing...JUST LEAVE ALREADY!
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Cena will NEVER EVER go that low on the card. He is NEVER going to be a jobber.
You're a fag. Seriously, fuck you.

I tried to do the whole debate thing with you earlier. But you're basically taking all the points and examples that people have given you -such as DVD material, radio and print interviews, historic records, books, live audience reaction, etc - and dismissing them entirely because they don't meet your arbitrary CRITERIA; which concidentally seems to boil down to "If Varmint says it it is TRUTH."

The fact that at one point you said that any item you see that doesn't come from an "official" (which in your eyes I'm sure means WWE) site is a rumor is laughable. Especilly when the people at the E spin facts like they were on Bush's cabinet. The fact that you put forth your version of things over the accounts given by wrestlers in the business because they are "biased" or "bitter" shows and ASTOUNDING amount of hubris on your part.

Throughout this massive thread, with all your massive responses, you basically repeat the same points over and over again without once recognizing the responses you're given or even basic common sense. You have articulated opinions on subjects you yourself say you have knowledge of. And your blind faith in all things WWE is almost perverse considering that you started this thread by saying that the WWE would be in trouble unless they did things YOUR WAY.

So not only are you saying that you're smarter and know more than every poster on this board, every wrestler and member of the front office or backstage personnel brought forth as examples, but you are also SMARTER THAN VINCE MCMAHON AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE WWE.

You're a failure as a human being.

I hate you, I hate you, I don't even know you and hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and nbody else but you.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:04 PM   #7
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You know I made a big effort to try and read through this entire thread but I stopped at page three since it looked quite boring and some guy refusing to take on other peoples opinion. So Vermaat, you're a Cena fan obviously - fair enough. Do I think that he's the best new talent in the last 5 or so years: no I think that was Jericho (stretching it a little but still) but you like Cena so that's alright. Just please stop denying that a large percentage of the wrestling fanbase has turned against Cena.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:22 PM   #8
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IT's funny, he even admits that Vicne is marketing to what's "cool" by having a Wigger champ.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:26 PM   #9
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Could someone that's read the entire thread just sort of sum it up for me? I know he's denying people have turned on Cena for other reasons, besides it being 'cool' but what else is he saying?
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Could someone that's read the entire thread just sort of sum it up for me? I know he's denying people have turned on Cena for other reasons, besides it being 'cool' but what else is he saying?
Cena is not a wigger. Cena is real. Cena is Hip Hop. It's his culture.
 
Old 03-23-2006, 08:39 PM   #11
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Cena is a wigger. Cena is shit. It's his culture.
Right. Wigger culture.
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Old 03-23-2006, 09:21 PM   #12
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You said the WWE would have given Akio a chance to talk if he could. By this logic, John Cena can't talk. When he first debuted on SmackDown!, Cena lost to Angle, and while it was a good match, Cena was bland for months. By your logic, this is John Cena's fault and not the WWE's.

You said my relatives stopped watching because of reasons not relating to the product. FALSE! They stopped because they thought the product declined in quality. While Stone Cold Steve Austin turning heel at WrestleMania X7 was brilliant, my uncle hated it, and stopped watching. My cousin stopped watching just last year because he felt it was getting "stupid". My cousin is in touch with today's culture by the way.

You claim that the superstars get lazy. This is a really illogical statement to make. Why would guys like Frankie Kazarian & Brian Kendrick leave the company? Don't say to improve, because you made the point that guys can improve in the WWE. Why would Jamie Noble leave the WWE, have fantastic matches, come back, and then have "lazy" matches? That makes no sence; unless the WWE FORCED Noble to have lazy matches.

The evidence rules out your "cruiserweights are lazy" theory. They're not, the WWE is afraid that top talent like Triple H will be seen as slow otherwise.

You want another example of people being told to tone down? Joey Styles. Brilliant commentator in ECW, told he is shit in the WWE.

Rey Mysterio WAS innovative. He's not now. In your opinion he is, but it is also your opinion that the cruiserweights are lazy, so your opinion is uneducated. Mysterio is SLOWER in the ring than he was. Does that mean he is lazy? Give me one move Rey Mysterio has done in the WWE that no one else does or that no one else can do.

You said that Sliced Bread #2 isn't innovative, because it starts off the same way as a Dudley Dog, yet you say the 619 is innovative? Stone Cold Steve Austin used to do a move that starts off in the same position as the 619. By your logic, the 619 is not innovative.

I don't mean to offend you here, because you have responded to my comments politely, and I have meant to do the same, but you are a sheep to the WWE. You act as if they are the most caring company in the world, letting "lazy" people stay with them for so long, etc.

You said John Cena should have gone on a Goldberg streak. Why? Why would it work for Cena, but it not work for so many other talent? You said losing can't get people over, but both Stone Cold Steve Austin & The Rock lost frequently. Shawn Michaels has a pretty awful WrestleMania record, does that mean he sucks? You're biased towards Cena, I'm sorry, but your points all seem in favour of giving him ideas that you THINK will get him over, yet when we try and offer alternatives, you THINk you know better than us. You even THINK you know better than the WWE.

And I am sorry, but John Cena's punches are awful. I like the guy, but he is not a brawler. By the way, Aaron Aguilera has been known as "The Hardcore Kidd", he can brawl. Cena dominated their match at Armageddon 2004, which is why it sucked so much. Wow, that also destroys your Goldberg theory. Cena was made to look invincible for the match, and you claim it sucked. Interesting.

John Cena does look like a six-year old. His feet annoy me, because he has shoes which make him look like those try-hard kids you see in the supermarkets. Not the ones that are "today", but the ones that think they are. The sheepish ones.

Something about his torso frustrates me, too. It looks like he's just been waxed, not the real lifestyle of a gangster, is it? Sorry, but Cena is only playing the character. He's not real. Cena is a wrestler, and when he wrestles he is good. When he is playing Superman and throwing corny-looking punches, that is when the heat builds up.

Fans boo Cena because they do not like him. Please get that through your head. It is not because he is untalented, it is not because he is a not a future player in the company. He is talented and he will be a main eventer for a long time. You can relax about that. People just don't like the character he plays. They have not been brainwashed, you have. You see John Cena as some kind of God, and the WWE as some kind of Heaven. Stop it! They have declined in fanbase and in quality in most sane people's opinions. Stop trying to use "facts" to prove otherwise when the fact is, some people like him, some people do not. More recently, it is evident the not is taking over. They are not evil or fake fans, they are the real fans, the ones that know what they're watching is crap, and are not afraid to let the WWE know it.

And by the way, you missed the whole point when I said Paul London does a standing shooting star press. I said it is harder to do than a regular one, so why does he only do it off the ground instead of off the turnbuckle if he is lazy? My point is, he hits senton bombs off the top rope because management won't let him do anything fantastic like the London Calling. It's all politics.
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Old 03-23-2006, 09:25 PM   #13
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Cena is not a wigger. Cena is real. Cena is Hip Hop. It's his culture.
West Newbury, Massachusetts...Yeah, I know! It's like The Bronx, Compton, and the hard streets of West Newbury. He is totally gangsta. Cena is completly for real. I am sure he spent many a hour in between his piano lessons and his horseback riding classes get down and dirty with his home boys at Springfeild College.

No no you dumbass. His culture is Wine and Cheese. Is that bad? No. My culture is Wine and Cheese. I grew up privaliged as well. I enjoy rap and hip hop a lot. But I don't go around trying to say I am the doctor of thugonomics. Nor would I EVER try to start a career in Rap, despite the fact that me a my homies agree I tear it up and rock the hizzouse with my kickin rhymes.
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West Newbury, Massachusetts...Yeah, I know! It's like The Bronx, Compton, and the hard streets of West Newbury. He is totally gangsta. Cena is completly for real. I am sure he spent many a hour in between his piano lessons and his horseback riding classes get down and dirty with his home boys at Springfeild College.

No no you dumbass. His culture is Wine and Cheese. Is that bad? No. My culture is Wine and Cheese. I grew up privaliged as well. I enjoy rap and hip hop a lot. But I don't go around trying to say I am the doctor of thugonomics. Nor would I EVER try to start a career in Rap, despite the fact that me a my homies agree I tear it up and rock the hizzouse with my kickin rhymes.
He's also not a good rapper. He's good for a fake rapper on a fake show abnout a fake sport, but he's a wigger pure and simple./
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:37 PM   #15
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Could someone that's read the entire thread just sort of sum it up for me? I know he's denying people have turned on Cena for other reasons, besides it being 'cool' but what else is he saying?
Cruiserweights don't try, except Rey Mysterio who's innovative. WWE is going strong, though the thread is about it being make or break for them. WCW and ECW died because they listened to their fans, Cena should be booked as a nauseating babyface, because bad ratings and boos aren't enough of a reason to listen to fans.

There's prolly more.
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Old 03-23-2006, 09:06 PM   #16
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LOL He said "Wigger".
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Hey, you've said that you won't believe ANYTHING unless it's on WWE.com. Well buddy, I'd like you to reference EVERYTHING you stated as "fact" in this thread to something on WWE.com. If you can't do that, your logic that anything not on WWE.com is obviously destroyed.

As you said, if it's not on WWE.com, it's not fact. If you polled 10,000 people about if they like Cena or not, if it's not posted on WWE.com it's just "rumor", even though you (or someone else) took hours to ask EVERY one of those people if they like Cena or not.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:43 AM   #18
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I love the fact that "I don't remember other cruisers doing it" = innovative. How retarded is that!

"This movie has clearly ripped off Citizen Kane!"

"Well, I've never seen that before, so the plot twist was innovative!"
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:46 PM   #19
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They really ought to just have Cena "look out for number 1." Especially if he drops the F-Bomb a few times on the fans who are booing him.

The problem is, they'll probably make him a chickenshit heel like 90% of the roster, because like Vermaat, the WWE execs seem to think that being formulaic works. Which is why they spend so much time ignoring the success of other heels, or ruining them (Cena, Orton).

Like Vermaat, like most Cena marks, they lack logic, alright.

Cena was successful, so let's totally change his character. We all saw this coming, the fans turning on him.
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i see it like this...

Rock started as face, then people (like us getting sick of Cena) started hating Rock...what does he do?? he Changes his style to heel, Becomes better on the mic, (IMPROVING HIS SKILL!!) and joins the nation. That's a Smart Move.

Cena Started Face, then went Heel (with B2(B-Squared)) and now is face again
What does he have to show for it...
Same gimmic lines (you cant see me, same style promos, moves/charecter) "IMO"

in other words, fans are getting BORED. Why?? Cause its time for a change, Hell Trips even loses the Title now and again. And for One Simple Reason

It Gives time to change up the Story Lines, bring someone else to the table and showcase what they got.

Look at the great Rivalrys Trips has had...
Comepare that list to Cena's (Nuff Said)

"IMO" It's all about the build up of the charecter, and how you can change that immage to draw in others...and cena buried himself alive
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"IMO" It's all about the build up of the charecter, and how you can change that immage to draw in others...and cena buried himself alive
Now that's not fair. Cena did NOT bury himself alone, the WWE fucked him over and buried him by pussifiying him. Cena didn't do it completely by himself. Did he have a hand in it? Sure, no doubt, but it's more WWE's fault than Cena's.

Holy fuck, I just stuck up for Cena! Am I a hypocrite!?
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Now that's not fair. Cena did NOT bury himself alone, the WWE fucked him over and buried him by pussifiying him. Cena didn't do it completely by himself. Did he have a hand in it? Sure, no doubt, but it's more WWE's fault than Cena's.
Yeah, you're exactly right. The pathetic thing is that Vermaat keeps blaming the heels for Cena's lack of support. Let's analyze Cena's last 4 opponents:

Jericho- "Future Hall of Famer."

Angle- "Future Hall of Famer."

Edge- "Not quite Hall of Fame status, but was arguably getting the most heel heat in the WWE until he feuded with Cena."

HHH- "Future Hall of Famer & probably the heir apparent to Vince McMahon and the WWE."

That's four of the most SOLID wrestling performers/entertainers in today's era...yet they are all to blame and not Cena? Hell, Christian was even getting face pops for bad mouthing Cena when he came to RAW. I firmly believe that the reason they dropped Christian from the Cena story line (and RAW) was to protect Cena, because WWE could see the trend...even way back then.
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Cena is expected to be a leader and has shown no leadership skills. He was the new franchise and had more job security than almost anyone in the business.

He really has buried himself...The WWE just tossed him a shovel and pointed at the plot...
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I would like to say that my use of "bad" words shows you nothing of my mental age or IQ. The word I called you is a word that I do not like. I only use the 'C' word in very extreme cases when my opinion of someone is that low that the use of the word is warranted.

Your claim that I have the mental age of someone in single figures really does little to hurt me. If your assertion were true then I guess I would have the mental age of one of those child genius' otherwise there'd be no BA at the end of my name
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I would like to say that my use of "bad" words shows you nothing of my mental age or IQ. The word I called you is a word that I do not like. I only use the 'C' word in very extreme cases when my opinion of someone is that low that the use of the word is warranted.

Your claim that I have the mental age of someone in single figures really does little to hurt me. If your assertion were true then I guess I would have the mental age of one of those child genius' otherwise there'd be no BA at the end of my name
I've got BS at the end of my name...

Naw. But seriously, if profanity=lack of intelligence, there's a shitload of so-called geniuses who are full of shit...

The funny thing about language is, the words you use do not really mean much in terms of intelligence. The way you use your words can reflect intelligence, or not. It's pretty simple, really.
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I've got BS at the end of my name...

Naw. But seriously, if profanity=lack of intelligence, there's a shitload of so-called geniuses who are full of shit...

The funny thing about language is, the words you use do not really mean much in terms of intelligence. The way you use your words can reflect intelligence, or not. It's pretty simple, really.
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And if I did have said mental age, wouldn't that automatically make me a Cena mark?

May I ask you a question?

Seriously, why do you come here?

I originally thought that it was a joke account but you put far too much effort in with your endless quote replies for it to be a fake account.

So, why do you come here?
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Not really sure what you're getting at there KK.

Are they clever cos they don't use profanity? Or does it...

Forget it, I just realised I can't be arsed.

Typing on a PSP is awful!
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Not really sure what you're getting at there KK.

Are they clever cos they don't use profanity? Or does it...

Forget it, I just realised I can't be arsed.

Typing on a PSP is awful!
I'm saying that there are a lot of real smart people who are explicitly profane.

To judge someone's intellect solely by the words they use is a really bad idea. It's judging a book by it's cover. The content of someone's message is a totally different issue, though.
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Aahh that's what I thought you were getting at.

You also perfectly summed up this little scuffle between me and Vermat.

I am still intrigued as to why he comes on here.

I mean I come here for the news, discussion and the funny.

You obviously come here to rip n00bs.

but what does he get from it?
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who knows...but im glad he saw my point of view

Thnx KK
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Rip n00bs and post fake news.
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i think KK has a new Promo Ending
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Promo? What do you know about promos? I'm the best in this business, and who are you again?

...It doesn't matter who you are!

I tell you, you come and go at your leisure, but there is one constant in TPWW--Kane Knight. The man, the franchise, The one who's about to smack the taste right out your mouth! Sixteen time spam forum champion, forty time gangbang champion, and nineteen time world heavyweight redundancy champion of the world! The man who has climbed mount Everest, run with scissors and fucked Chyna twice--And STILL doesn't know what sex she is!

Forget John Cena, forget the Rock. Forget Ric Flair, forget Mister MaGoo, your Bill Gates-looking ass only has one concern in the world--And you're looking at him. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take this here post, spellcheck it, word by word, character by character, then I'm gonna encrypt that sumbitch in 128K protection...And e-mail it STRAIGHT UP...YOUR CANDY ASS!

If you smellalalalalalalalalala...What...

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Dammit Hassan!
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Someone mentioned Cena's belt. I think this would be awesome for a heel. A wrestler tells John Cena he is disrespecting the belt, and John Cena says by being the current WWE Champion, thus the best wrestler in the history of this business, Cena has earnt the right to do whatever he wants to the title belt. Classic arrogant shit there...

You can have wrestlers try and save the WWE Championship from Cena, but they always fall short. Finally one does win the title from Cena, with a little help from Cena's rival (Triple H?), and they ask him to get rid of the crappy spinner belt, but he goes to a jeweller's to find out how much it's worth, finds out it costs a fortune, keeps it, turning into a cowardly heel in the process, before jobbing the title back to Cena.

That scenario plays out awesome in my head. Face wins the title with help from Top Face, everyone is happy, Face gets greedy, Cena wins belt back, everyone is sad again, Top Face wins belt. Some unpredictable booking from the WWE could go a long way.
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I actually like the spinner belt more than I like Cena's attire.
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I actually like the spinner belt more than I like Cena's attire.
If they really wanted him to be 'street' he wouldn't wear those busted ass Reebok pumps. There's a difference between old school and corny.

As for the heel thing, I always wanted a heel Cena to turn into one of those arrogant, dickhead type rapper/NBA athlets with a 14 person entourage. Start acting like Stephon Marbury, etc. Maybe get Orlando Jordan to come over to Raw as Cena's lackey and have OJ dress up like Lil John and carry a pimp cup.

That right there would be truly despicable and thouroughly entertaining.
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If they really wanted him to be 'street' he wouldn't wear those busted ass Reebok pumps. There's a difference between old school and corny.

As for the heel thing, I always wanted a heel Cena to turn into one of those arrogant, dickhead type rapper/NBA athlets with a 14 person entourage. Start acting like Stephon Marbury, etc. Maybe get Orlando Jordan to come over to Raw as Cena's lackey and have OJ dress up like Lil John and carry a pimp cup.

That right there would be truly despicable and thouroughly entertaining.
That'd be awesome, actually. Get a bunch of promotional talent to play his entourage too. I mean, it's not a wrestling gig, but neither's "security" (When not played by the cops, most tend to be local wrestlers). Make him a sell-out, and one who reminds everyone of it. I'd love it.
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Plus, it's like a year past being really cutting edge, so that means it would totally fit in with WWE's writing style.
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It's funny, I saw Rey Rey's split legged moonsault tonight.

Apparently, "innovative" means doing it worse than a guy with only one leg.
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