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Old 02-20-2011, 11:39 PM   #441
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Why, Cena vs. Miz isn't rehashed?
How is it exactly?
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:39 PM   #442
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And then people bitch that the world title is meaningless. WWE can't win either way.
I never got that argument. The titles have been meaningless for years now.

Like I couldn't even get into a storyline revolving JUST around a title anymore. There needs to be personal animosity for me to care at this point. It's unfortunate that it's gotten to that point, but it is what it is.
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Why the fuck would cena be facing orton, and why the fuck would cm punk go from feuding with the two top faces of the company, to daniel fucking bryan?
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Why, Cena vs. Miz isn't rehashed?
That's the whole fucking point, you derelict. You bitch about getting the same old shit, then tell us you wanted EVEN MORE of the same old shit.
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Why, Cena vs. Miz isn't rehashed?
The result will be different though this time i'd go as far as saying that i'd even BANK on it.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:42 PM   #447
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That's the whole fucking point, you derelict. You bitch about getting the same old shit, then tell us you wanted EVEN MORE of the same old shit.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:42 PM   #448
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Cena and Miz had one match. Not a long drawn out program.
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I don't see how Miz/Cena is rehashed, they had a run-in for a couple of weeks with Miz getting himself over off the back of hounding Cena (which was pretty much the only objective) and 2 pretty quick matches. Then Miz eliminated him from the Rumble years later, leading to this.
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Ok well for some reason I was thinking that they just had a program. But I can't be expected to think too clearly right now.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:45 PM   #452
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Yeah, and Cena squashed him in 5 minutes a year and a half ago. Miz is in a completely different place right now, and Miz/Cena works well. My issue is that its been the same shit for 7 years. Hulk Hogan didn't even have this kind of run. I think the match will be your standard heel/face match with Cena "earning" The Rock's respect and a neat WrestleMania moment to close the show.
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Great show, I loved it. Thought the booking was pretty much perfect here.

-Kofi/Del Rio did it's job, and then some. An ideal opener to get the crowd going.

-SD Chamber was an awesome match. I was really disappointed to see Show be a replacement instead of Christian, but Christian's post-match return made much more sense (Triple threat at Mania I'm assuming?). This was the MOTN in my opinion though.

-Tag match was meh. Did it's job as a filler. I really couldn't care less about the Tag Titles, but I thought it was pretty cool how Corre got some gold.

-Looks like we may get Laycool vs. Kelly/Trish at Mania as our Divas match, which would be really fun.

-Miz/Lawler was another fun match. It's pretty amazing how good and smart Lawler still is. Him and Miz put on an entertaining match that far exceeded my expectations.

-RAW Chamber was another great one. I dunno why, I just liked the SD chamber a little better, but this one was RIGHT behind it. Punk made this match for me. They fooled me with the malfunctioned Chamber spot because I really thought it was a fuck up, so that was cool. Orton/Punk's feud really took leaps tonight and told a great story. Morrison was booked really well, and Cena won in not-so dominating fashion, which is a plus.

The "RTWM" PPVs have really done an excellent job in building this year's Mania.
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Wait, didn't The Rock vs. Austin happen at three WrestleMania shows? 15, 17 and 19? So, why couldn't Cena vs. Orton have happened for a second time? Its been a year and a half since they feuded in 2009, and with the attention span that most fans in the WWE Universe have, they don't even remember that. I think if creative could have come up with a quality storyline between Orton and Cena, it could have definitely worked and have gotten more buys than Cena vs. Miz will. Throughout the eras of the WWE, there have always been main events worth the price of admission alone. John Cena vs. Randy Orton in today's era is one of them, just like Hogan vs. Andre or Austin vs. The Rock. Those all have a WrestleMania feel to them, more than Cena vs. The Miz.
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Yeah, and Cena squashed him in 5 minutes a year and a half ago. Miz is in a completely different place right now, and Miz/Cena works well. My issue is that its been the same shit for 7 years. Hulk Hogan didn't even have this kind of run. I think the match will be your standard heel/face match with Cena "earning" The Rock's respect and a neat WrestleMania moment to close the show.
Wouldn't it be an awesome twist if Cena actually lost at Mania? But meh, I'm just living in dream town again.
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Wait, didn't The Rock vs. Austin happen at three WrestleMania shows? 15, 17 and 19? So, why couldn't Cena vs. Orton have happened for a second time?
Because Rock > Cena and Austin > Miz, pretty much.
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Wouldn't it be an awesome twist if Cena actually lost at Mania? But meh, I'm just living in dream town again.
It's not impossible depending on how serious they are about Miz or if it leads to a big swerve/turn/debut/event etc. Probably not though.
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Wait, didn't The Rock vs. Austin happen at three WrestleMania shows? 15, 17 and 19? So, why couldn't Cena vs. Orton have happened for a second time? Its been a year and a half since they feuded in 2009, and with the attention span that most fans in the WWE Universe have, they don't even remember that. I think if creative could have come up with a quality storyline between Orton and Cena, it could have definitely worked and have gotten more buys than Cena vs. Miz will. Throughout the eras of the WWE, there have always been main events worth the price of admission alone. John Cena vs. Randy Orton in today's era is one of them, just like Hogan vs. Andre or Austin vs. The Rock. Those all have a WrestleMania feel to them, more than Cena vs. The Miz.
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Also wanna mention how it was apparent tonight how ridiculously good WWE's camera work is. It seems like a little thing, but it really makes spots in multi-man matches seem "surprisingly" and "out of nowhere", and of course catching expressions is something they always do well. My favorite though had to be when Punk was selling the RKO on the outside and heard the reverse call, and he just scurries in the background to his chamber as Orton had his back turned and was complaining.
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In an earlier post, I was complaining that I feel like we've seen Miz vs. Cena a million times and that it doesn't seem like a WM match. Then, you guys pointed out to me that Cena and Miz have not had a long feud with each other. I thought they did, at least it felt that way, and I thought it was recent, but I guess I was thinking of Miz/Orton. I was wrong and I was corrected. So fine.

All I'm saying now is that even though Cena and Orton have had several matches with each other, it seems like more of a WM match than Cena and Miz. It's been 1 1/2 years since Cena and Orton feuded, so I think they could have had another good WM match with each other if the storyline that lead up to it was well-written. Am I the only one here who feels that way? Would you guys not want to see Cena and Orton again? Does Cena vs. Miz really feel like a WM match to you guys?
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Ok well for some reason I was thinking that they just had a program. But I can't be expected to think too clearly right now.
SO no one remembers Miz 8 Ceno-0? he called him out then fought him on ppv,getting his Miz whipped.It started as some kind of weird side program. But the crowd liked the way miz trashed cena so they wrestled on some ppv a while back.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:22 AM   #470
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Cena vs Miz will feel more like a WM match when I add The Rock as special referee.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:26 AM   #471
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SO no one remembers Miz 8 Ceno-0? he called him out then fought him on ppv,getting his Miz whipped.It started as some kind of weird side program. But the crowd liked the way miz trashed cena so they wrestled on some ppv a while back.
I sure do it was the beginning of the Awesome One's rise as he proved to the entire world that he was no longer a push over and now it's all come full circle.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:32 AM   #472
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All in all a good PPV. If you actually thought Jerry Lawler was winning tonight, there is something wrong with you. The Miz, like him or not, is in the "mainstream" and can get WM hyped up.

The Smackdown chamber was excellent, and reading this board, not too much love for Rey Mysterio, however I think he stole the entire PPV. He took some awful looking spots and continued to bring it.

The Raw Chamber paled in comparison to the Smackdown Chamber. I seen people beaking Trish for botching, however, have failed to see any heat on CM Punk for botching his springboard move late in the match. Seems weird....
Cena winning was a no brainer, and was guaranteed when Orton was eliminated. I am not a big fan of John Morrison's (Spot Monkey) style. it isn't really that exciting for me.

Jerry Lawler throwing the Miz into Michael Cole was by far the best spot of the night. Booker T said something right after, and I lost my shit laughing. Can't recall what he said, but it was hilarious.

Monday should be interesting.
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:10 AM   #473
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This crowd doesn't deserve Christian or Trish.
I can't speak to how the crowd reacted to Christian's return because I WAS IN THE FUCKING BATHROOM.

As for Trish, my section was going crazy when she came out.

Also, when Vickie was talking to the crowd, what was she saying? There was so much booing, I couldn't understand her.

Also also, did anyone see my TPWW sign?
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:53 AM   #474
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I wasn’t too fond of the announcing tonight. It seemed empty without Jerry Lawler there. I really wish WWE would go to having Booker T, King, and JR as announcers. That would be fantastic. King throwing The Miz on Michael Cole was a highlight for me.

After listening to Booker and Josh Matthews for five minutes without Cole, it makes my head hurt wondering why Vince seems so insistant on having Cole do play-by-play for every show. He’s already commentating on the flagship show, so there’s absolutely no reason why Booker and Matthews couldn’t do SmackDown every week without Cole. It’s not like he makes matches on SmackDown any better. If anything, it would help give each brand its own identity with two different sets of announcers, just like it was before they decided to add Cole to every show.
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Three words from last nights PPV.

John Fucking Morrison. That is all.
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I hate the supposed "character" that Michael Cole is playing. My number one reason? Its beyond stupid that the play-by-play guy is a heel. Because he will say things like "wow what a move by John Morrison" or whoever the face is.... or when two faces are against each other he just doesn't play the heel role, he just calls the play by play.

Thats why its retarded for a play-by-play guy to play a roll like this. YOUR JOB IS TO CALL THE MATCH, we don't give a FUCK what you think about it.

You never saw Jim Ross hate on the heels during the match unless they did something dirty. Plus he's a great voice.

I don't hate Cole in his character... he's just super annoying to the point where I want to mute the television.
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I hate the supposed "character" that Michael Cole is playing. My number one reason? Its beyond stupid that the play-by-play guy is a heel. Because he will say things like "wow what a move by John Morrison" or whoever the face is.... or when two faces are against each other he just doesn't play the heel role, he just calls the play by play.

Thats why its retarded for a play-by-play guy to play a roll like this. YOUR JOB IS TO CALL THE MATCH, we don't give a FUCK what you think about it.

You never saw Jim Ross hate on the heels during the match unless they did something dirty. Plus he's a great voice.

I don't hate Cole in his character... he's just super annoying to the point where I want to mute the television.


As much as I like Cole I think its annoying when he starts in on Josh or whoever else he is with. I like that Cole isnt just a play-by-play guy but I think they have to be careful how they used Cole. It gets annoying really fast. There was no need for him to interrupt the Rock last week.
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Wouldn't it be an awesome twist if Cena actually lost at Mania? But meh, I'm just living in dream town again.
I don't think it's that out of the question, actually. The WWE obviously wants to build The Miz, and it's not like the loss would hurt Cena. Especially since The Rock is going to be involved in the match somehow. Now, while the WWE will probably have The Rock help out Cena in the end, passing on mutual respect to try and continue forcing face Cena down our throats (which is a good business move), it's also possible that The Rock will snap, hit Cena with a Rock Bottom and The Miz will capitalise, thus retaining the WWE Title.

Then you have Money in the Bank Winner, John Morrison, cash in right then and there, as Michael Cole whinges and bitches about exactly the same thing The Miz did to win the WWE Title. "Not this way!" would take on an entirely new relevance.

Reasons this could happen:

* The WWE is building up new stars, and crowning John Morrison the WWE Champion this way is pretty epic. Plus, Morrison and The Miz have plenty of history, and the irony of The Miz losing the WWE Title via MITB is delicious.

* Rock/Cena tension is going to get people interested in the product. No matter how many times The Rock says he is not wrestling again, people will want to see that dream match. Austin & Rock may have teamed up a couple of times, but people loved talking, no matter their age, about Rock vs. Austin. Cena & Rock could work, but Cena vs. Rock would just create more of a buzz.

* Morrison has been tearing it up since about Survivor Series. He's definitely stepped up his game, and was arguably the star performer of TLC, the Royal Rumble AND Elimination Chamber. Cena might sell the most merch now, and that is why he is getting the nod heading into WrestleMania (smart), but Morrison is certainly turning heads, proving himself to be a consistent commodity, and when he's out-shining guys like John Cena, Randy Orton and whoever else on PPVs, that makes a pretty strong argument to push the guy.
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And to protect The Rock's ultra-marketable face status, you can even have him serve as the "official" that counts Morrison's cash-in, which would be a huge thing for him. I mean, if anyone is going to be the referee of your first WWE Title win, it might as well be The Rock, right?
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I was just thinking/hoping that exact situation you described will happen
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