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Old 06-20-2013, 10:19 AM   #441
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You're asking a bunch of self-diagnosed autistics with a "haters gonna hate" attitude to understand human emotions.

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Old 06-20-2013, 10:39 AM   #442
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Just noticed I didn't spell "justify" correctly. And I edited that response about 3 times.

Again, corporate stupidity. I'm convinced they will somehow tie the recent Washington "Big Brother" scare to the reason why people disliked the always on idea instead of coming to terms with the fact that it would have made people uncomfortable either way. Not just in a creepy, always watching way, but also in a why-should-I-have-to-yell-at-my-TV-instead-of-pushing-a-damn-button way. The fact that it took them this long to come to the notion of retracting the DRM this long after people bitched about it even while it was unconfirmed rumor is telling of such a disconnect.
"Corporate stupidity" is at serious risk of becoming the "God works in msyerious ways" of video game conspiracy theories.

There's a pretty simple reason they didn't change their strategy earlier, one that is a pervasive issue in gaming:

Gamers are spoiled, self-entitled little bitches.

Gamers screamed "boycott" and "buy a PS4!" here, but so what? Remember how well the boycotts of Mass Effect 3 went? What about every Halo from 3 on? Call of Duty: insert subtitle here? Hell, there was a point at which Steam, the gold standard in both DD and DRM, was considered unacceptable. Remind the folks at home how that turned out. Did Steam crash and burn?

Hell, in all the above cases except Steam, you can find a ton of funny pictures of boycotters playing the games online, usually from the Steam groups protesting them. I don't really remember anyone specifically screaming "boycotttttttt!" at Steam, but if so, I bet you can find them, too.

The video games industry has literally no reason to believe we'll actually abstain from a product. And it's literally gamers' faults. We say we're not going to take it, then we gie our overwhelming support in secret, hoping nobody catches on. Even on TPWW, we've had a couple mealy-mouthed little dipshits complaining about the Xbox One and trying to rationalise getting one at the same time.

I do not understand for the life of me why any at least semi-intelligent person with any semblance of pattern recognition would think Microsoft would look at the history of gamer outrage and think anything but



I'll be honest. I hoped gamers wouldn't buy this, but I expected to see a lot of boycotters with the Day One achievement come November, because gamers do that. And I can sort of understand why people don't get that bothered by breaking a boycott for essentially a toy, but....

...Don't huff and puff about it. We, as gamers, have reinforced this notion that we are mobile money dispensers by acting as mobile money dispensers. There's nothing else to it. They thought it was an empty threat because, on pretty much every other occasion, it has been an empty threat.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:40 AM   #443
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Odd how on the last page I was a fanboy looking for an excuse to hate on Microsoft and now I seem to be the one defending them.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:25 PM   #445
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According to a source(s) close to EGM, Microsoft is currently rumored to be revamping the Gold system to be a lot more comparable to what PS+ offers.

Also rumored to be considering bundling in free subscriptions to Gold with Xbox One consoles besides the usual 1-month free new accounts get on the Xbox 360.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...ree-xbox-live/


For those hoping maybe Microsoft considers a non-Kinect version or drops Kinect altogether, Microsoft stated that's not happening since the Xbox One was designed with Kinect as the main focus. Also explained their reasoning behind the sudden policy changes for the Xbox One in an interview with Giantbomb.
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/mi...oli/1100-4675/


Supposedly the Family Sharing plan or idea was rumored to end up being nothing more than just an extended demo playing of games and not actual game sharing. Would also explain a bit why Phil Spencer hinted same console online co-op wouldn't be possible with this idea.
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When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour...When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:41 PM   #447
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Supposedly the Family Sharing plan or idea was rumored to end up being nothing more than just an extended demo playing of games and not actual game sharing. Would also explain a bit why Phil Spencer hinted same console online co-op wouldn't be possible with this idea.
Oh look, Microsoft lied.

...allegedly.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:00 AM   #450
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Brilliant Idea: force parents to pay for a game 2-3 times over for their kids/themselves on top of paying for the multiple accounts. This shouldn't cause any complaints that could lead to parents choosing the cheaper opposing console.
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"Force parents"
If they do choose the XBox One, if they bought a game they would be forced to either have everyone on a single account or have the multiple accounts thing and pay for that game 2-3 times over. Ideally, parents would be smart consumers and research this, but that'd be asking far too much considering most parents don't even look at the games they buy for their kids to begin with.
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I thought they got rid of the shared game restrictions?
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It looks like they did, but I still don't understand how anybody at Microsoft can even think this was a good idea. Yes, it could make you a shitload more money but they had to know they'd lose more customers and money than they would make off of this stuff. It took them a huge backlash to realize this?
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They stopped reading at "Yes it could make you a shitload more money."

I'm sure most of the pressure to end this actually came from retailers like GameStop, WalMart, Best Buy not really the consumer backlash. Also Microsoft shareholders and whoever else has an investment in the system.

With how bad the WiiU has done I guess they thought they had a chance to take a risk when it was rumored that both PS4 and XBox One were going to have this DRM stuff. Once Ps4 dropped it it was only a matter of time before XBox did. Had they been first we would be talking about Sony in the same negative way. Really bad marketing and not having one voice on what was happening really muddied everything.
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If they do choose the XBox One, if they bought a game they would be forced to either have everyone on a single account or have the multiple accounts thing and pay for that game 2-3 times over. Ideally, parents would be smart consumers and research this, but that'd be asking far too much considering most parents don't even look at the games they buy for their kids to begin with.
That's not even how it works on 360 right now.

Once a digital XBLA game is purchased on the console it's open to play for every account on that box. Even online passes and beta events carried over to everybody on the same box. It's common sense to imagine this would work the same for digital releases on Xbox One.

And even if I gave you that one for free, it still doesn't seem like they're forced to do anything.
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And more than that, they confirmed that a single Gold Account is required on Xbox One for all profiles, regardless of membership level, to play online.

This may have changed since the recent 180, but it does tell me that the 'master console license' system would return and purchases on the box is good for all users of the box.
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inb4 somebody says, "Well Microsoft tried to change things so you don't know if that system would remain."

Yeah, I do know - the one thing that Microsoft didn't even touch was how they handled digital products, in fact the problem was they wanted everything to be like digital purchases. It's extremely safe to say how things work on 360 would remain, especially since they were ready to expand it with Shared Games and Digital Resell (two things I imagine will return once Steam paves the way).
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Kalyx, you fucking spastic, I was talking replying to this post:

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When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour...When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.
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>>>The Family Share plan was between Xbox One consoles, not accounts on one console.<<<
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:17 PM   #463
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It's extremely safe to say how things work on 360 would remain, especially since they were ready to expand it with Shared Games and Digital Resell (two things I imagine will return begrudgingly, several years after the fact and in a gimped form once Steam paves the way).
Fixed that for you.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:19 PM   #464
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:20 PM   #465
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>>>The Family Share plan was between Xbox One consoles, not accounts on one console.<<<
Indeed. You know how you play a game on the primary console?

...You play it.

The result was nto going to be "forcing families to pay multiple times."

Unless across multiple households/units. At which point, that's exactly what we're already doing.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:21 PM   #466
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Thanks.
Just saying. It'd be nice if Microsoft managed to come up with a tenth of the functionality of Steam, since it's been around for a decade now.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:57 PM   #467
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Just saying. It'd be nice if Microsoft managed to come up with a tenth of the functionality of Steam, since it's been around for a decade now.
They won't. They wanna be different and better, missing the point that to be better than something you have to share it's base to begin with.

Wii had Wiimote. PS3 got Move. XBOX HAS YOU AS CAMERA AWESOME BETTER BUY IT.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:36 PM   #468
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Continuing my GameStop conspiracy theory, I just got my GI with all the fanfare for PS4 (late... I have an issue with getting mail sent to not my house) and in addition to schlurping Sony's lineup, there's an article about the decline of indies wanting to take the XBLA route in favor of Steam, Sony, and Nintendo because greedy asshattery. Just kinda seems like that isn't coincidental.


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Old 06-21-2013, 06:38 PM   #469
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So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:42 PM   #470
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Wow, such venom. Sounds like Steam fucked you out of a couple of downloads or something. Comment wasn't even really about Steam.

"Thing is, you being a muthafucka wasn't even part of the conversation! What was we talking about..? Oh yeah, soybeans!"
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:48 PM   #471
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So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.
Steam is following the model where all of technology is going. Things are becoming more open and accessible than ever. Everything is going digital. You can't just tell your customers to deal with it or fuck off anymore because most of them will tell you to fuck off. Steam has grown and has got a lot of support behind it. It's been successful for a reason.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:50 PM   #472
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What is the difference between Steam and XBox Marketplace other than: a console or a PC being the primary device? Transfer of licenses? Ease of use? Cost of use? Certain titles?
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:01 PM   #473
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Can I have a 4plyr offline NFL Blitz/NBA Jam/UNO Rush session on Steam? Seriously asking. I have an account but never did anything with it but get Champions. And then never played that.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:00 PM   #474
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These are old games.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:10 PM   #476
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Continuing my GameStop conspiracy theory, I just got my GI with all the fanfare for PS4 (late... I have an issue with getting mail sent to not my house) and in addition to schlurping Sony's lineup, there's an article about the decline of indies wanting to take the XBLA route in favor of Steam, Sony, and Nintendo because greedy asshattery. Just kinda seems like that isn't coincidental.


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Stories about the indies being against Microsoft are nothing new, however. Nor are they going away. We just had a developer say that if he could go back in time, he'd kick himself in the balls for partnering with Microsoft. At the same time, you have Phil Fish, John Blow, the Cthulhu Saves the World team, etc all singing the same tune.

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So tired of this Steam shit. Different platform, different rules of engagement. Buy a fucking Steambox whenever they come out and stop wishing for other companies to emulate.
It seems a little hypocritical to display human emotion now, Darth Aspbergers.
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These are old games.
Steam has NBA 2K13 though. It is just a matter of their being a desire by their customers for those games. It still doesn't change the fact that other companies can borrow some things from Steam. Steam isn't in the console market, but has a lot of ideas that consoles could use.
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On the flip side, Steam (and PC gamign in general) could learn a few things from console gaming if it actually wants to compete. Things like Darth Aspie's mention of Steambox, for example. The idea of The Big Picture and having a line of "steambox" PCs is to essentially consolise the market. Few games are designed with "couch" co-op in mind, though. Some are, I mean, but far fewer than even consoles (where the idea is slowly dwindling anyway).

Which is especially a shame, given the fact that more and more games support a 360 control pad natively.

Whether people like it or not, by the way, Steam is competition for consoles. Even without the "Steambox," it's a gaming platform. Competition (and comparisons, rivalries, whatever) are inevitable.
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