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Old 02-12-2004, 04:46 PM   #441
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Its what happens to the lower clubs in the Premiership, they don't get any luck
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Old 02-12-2004, 06:39 PM   #442
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Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

Anyone care to remember World Cup 98 and the fiasco leading up to it. He played Andy Hinchcliffe and Phil Neville constantly in the build up and then decided to go to France with only one left back in Greame Le Saux who ended up being England's worst player and everyone who on his case after the first game. He also ended up getting hurt.

He also fucked around with Gazza big time before that tourney and the way he told him (as well as the others) they weren't in the squad was a disgrace.

He also was majorly critical of David Beckham before the championship and refused to play him half the time when everyone was begging to have him in. And when he did, he scored a cracker against Columbia. It was obvious he was jealous of Beckham too for some reason. Hoddle always took part in training and probably thought he was better still than his players and after Beckham screwed up one skill in practise, in front of everyone, Hoddle mocked him saying "obviously you are not good enough to do that". Tony Adams also went public in saying his treatment of Beckham after the red card was a total embarrassment (Adams went right up in my estamation too) being that he totally shunned him.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.
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Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.
Gullit spent nearly £10million on two players, if Hoddle had that kind of money, he could have acheived more. Gullit basically looked at the team, and then decided to bring in a new backbone, by signing LeBoeuf (2.5mil), Di Matteo (4.9mil), Zola (4.9mil).

If you want to talk about how Hoddle upset players, then must I remind you of Vialli and how upset he was under Gullit. All managers piss players off, not just Hoddle.

Strachan has NOT shown Hoddle up at Southampton, Hoddle laid the foundations of Southampton, had he stayed there I believe that he would have done a good job, better then Strachan. And ten points above relegation isn't exacly good. Wow, Strap-on got Southampton to the F.A Cup final, remind me who they played along the way.

And he was wrong to say what he did about disabled people, but its his opinion, he should get sacked for football matters, NOT off-pitch matters.
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Old 02-12-2004, 07:23 PM   #444
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Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.
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Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.
Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.
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It was disgraceful that they sacked him before they were charged or anything, there was no reason to sack him.
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Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.
I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final?
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I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final?
I cannot see how anyone can say he did not turn the club around, without Hoddle, there would be no Gullit, the only reason to say that Gullit turned us around is that with Hoddle we finished something like 13th every season, but givn the money Gullit had, Hoddle would have made us more of a force, maybe with different players, but regardless, IMO, Hoddle would have done just as good a job. I think that Hoddle did more for the club, but Gullit did a fantastic job.

If it was up to me, Abramovich would be out, Kenyon would fuck off back to you, Batesy would be in charge, and either Hoddle or Gullit would be the manager.

As for the cup match, Kanchelskis DIVED.
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You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well
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You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well
He did dodgy transfers for you. AND he is a United fan, so why come to Chelsea? for a fatter pocket no doubt. He can piss off if he is trying to upset Bates. He is never going to get over with the fans if he acts like a dick.

And as for the other three. It is still my belief, that the game would have turned out MUCH differently if you didnt get that second penalty. David Ellery should have listened to his lino, but instead he had to be a dick, he ruined the match.
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Hey did you hear the Arsenal fans on Tuesday night singing "Stand up if you hate Hoddle" in unison with the Southampton fans?

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Hoddle might have had some success but he's a mediocre manager at very best. I thought swindon were up before 93 too cause I thought they were like the first team to go out of the premiership. I remember frazer digby being the worst keeper i'd ever seen, although I had a particular loathing for les sealey (RIP) at the time too. Whenever schmeichel got injured and he came on I knew we were fucked.

Hoddle might be able to lay foundations and give teams somewhat of a bulding ground but how much of that is pure luck? No team he's ever been in has been a real force, and I know you can say that about a lot of managers, but I just don't understand why chairmen would give the same old people jobs all over the place when they usually succeed in very little.
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No, they were in division one in the 1992/93 season, he got them promoted, and then left, and then they were rubbish, letting 100 goals and all.

Everyone has opinions, and mine is that the only team that Hoddle failed at was spurs, and they haven't had a good manager in ages.

There are only two managers I would welcome back to Chelsea, Hoddle or Gullit, I would much rather have either of them then Ranieri.
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what's wrong with ranieri?

he's funny as fuck
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what's wrong with ranieri?

he's funny as fuck
You actually want to know whats wrong with him? well:

Firstly - He has signed players he didnt even want this season, I said this at the start of the season, when Ferguson sold Beckham, he was expecting to sign Ronaldinho, and then that collapsed, instead of panicking and buying someone, Ferguson left it how it was because there was no one he wanted, he them sold ANOTHER midfielder (Veron), and he never replaced either of them. When Ranieri failed at signed Vieri, Henry and Raul, he bought Mutu, but that was because he couldn't get the others, not becuse he really wanted Mutu, he buys players on the spot if he cant get him man.

He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

He released England under 21s first choice keeper, and brought in rejects like Sullivan, Macho and Ambrosio. Sold Leon Knight, who was great for the reserves, and has been good for Brighton.

He gets tactics all wrong, and plays players int he wrong position.

Because he has the money he spends it, on worthless crap we don't need.

He doesn't realise that the way to get players to hit form is to play them regulary, its not suprising that our best three players have been Cudicini, Terry and Lampard. He rotates it way too much. We will never even come second with him incharge.
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I'd still have him over glenn "anderton over beckham" hoddle

lol, i just called him glenn waddle there
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I remember Hoddle for the 93 play off final: Swindon 4 Leicester 3 after we had come back from 3-0 down.Classic match though.
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Strachan's quit
Just reading about it on Sky Sports. It's a shame that it got leaked out that he was leaving early because this has happened.
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Good for Strachan really,i mean they said they may not wait 'till the end of the season to replace him so why not go now?
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and a former pompey player takes over in charge

oh and Gary Neville
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He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

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To be fair Dazz, he hasn't had the oppurtunity to play Veron, thank God for that. But I think you're being harsh with what you said about Bridge. I think he was a great buy and hes probably been Chelseas most consistent defender after Terry. Remember he is an England international.

And also, Geremi was just reaching good form until he got injured.
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Are you shitting me? Bridge has played TWO good games all season, Portsmouth at home, and Portsmouth away. You ask ANY Chelsea season ticket holder and they will tell you how crap he is. He doesn't mark anyone until they have the ball, and then runs to them, by the time he gets their they've crossed it or something. Gallas has been equally as good as Terry this season. And being more consistant then Baba, Melchiot or Johnson doesn't state much, Desailly is past it. Stanic for left back, he is great there. Being England's left back isn't a big acheivement, Phil Neville is shit at left back, and Ashley Cole, well, is a tosser, and Bridge isnt first choice left back.

Geremi hasn't hit good form in the Prmiership since last season for Middlesborough, he scored one great goal and thats all he has done, seriously, utter SHIT.

When he did have the oppertunity to play Veron, he was always shit, he had a good start to the season, but then he just kept passing to the other team, has THE WORST shots and in general brings nothing to the club.
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I have to say, Geremi is shockingly bad

Veron IMO is past it, he would be out of place in the Chelsea midfield

Disagree with Bridge though, the guy is quality going forward, and puts in a lot of effort, but I have to say his marking and tracking leave a lot to be desired
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The thing is that it's going to take more time for the team to gel and this has been seen by soem of the Chelsea performances. Like yesterday against Chelsea, that game was theirs for the taking but Arsenal came together as a team.
The problem with Chelsea is that they brought too many players.
Lol at Makalele in the papers yesterday moaning at Ranieri for not being rested.
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Yeah i used to stick up for Makelele because i thought he did a good job at Real,but i gotta admit he seems sligtly over rated now i see him play more often.
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Makelele was our second best signing . He is great, he doesn't get the props he deserves, he allows Lampard to attack more, he holds it back, and RARELY makes mistakes, Leeds is the only one that comes to mind.

The gelling thing I totally agree with, I always said that last season we came 4th because we bought in one player on loan, and signed no one. We plays well together because we knew each others shit. Same as the Arse this season.

Seriously though, if any wants Veron, you would be doing us a really huge favour, he is wank wank wank.

Bridge is rubbish at defending, so surely if anything he should play left midfield, and I do think he would be better there.
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I was delighted when Veron left us to go to Chelsea, still cant believe we got 15m for him.

Though when we missed out on Duff and Ronaldinho we signed Ronaldo a year a head of schedule to make up for it. Good thing we did aswell because the right side of mid field would have been a disaster if we hadnt.

Ranieri hasnt always bought well and his substitutions arent always great but I think that part of that is because of the pressure to succeed. He has basically a limitless cash flow to fund his team so he couldnt just sign no one in the summer. And he did buy a few too many players (Veron, Geremi, goalkeepers didnt need to be signed) and he bought a few players that arent good enough (Bridge and again Veron) but I think if Chelsea came out and said that his job was safe this season and he sold more than he bought this summer then his team selections would be more consistent and the team would have a better chance of competing for the premiership.

He needs to get rid of some of the goalkeepers especially with Cech on his way, and some midfielders and strikers sign one or two quality defenders and a right sided midfielder andhe'd be better off.
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Yes, i 100% agree with the above post. ^

I have always said that Ranieri buys players needlessly, and should take Fergie's approach of only signing players he has been tracking.

I also agree that Ranieri signs these players because he has never been sure on his future, and he thinks that without spending so much, he wont get asgood results. I wish they gave him a limit for players, even if they didnt intend for him to stick to it, it would at least encourage him to think more before spending.
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I think that Bridge is a good player, but he has to do alot of work on his defending.
If I was Veron I'd go back to Italy because that style of game suited him where he could just slow it down and take control. The english game is too high tempo for him.
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Can we borrow Joe Cole please?
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Yeah he was better in Italy. I was really pleased that we signed him, because I thought that he was rubbish int he first season, but he was just settling in, the second season he should have been better, and he had something to prove in his third season, and that he would be good. I guess I was wrong.
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We don't need him. But I like him. Who knows though, our second best attacker is loaned out at Birmingham, Ranieri might let you have him.
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Makelele, Petit, Duff, Parker

oohhh now thats a midfield!
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Makelele, Petit, Duff, Parker

oohhh now thats a midfield!
why not Gronkjaer, Lampard, Cole and Geremi? and what about Super Mario Stanic?

and Makelele and Petit play the same role. We don't wanna play defensive down the middle.
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We don't need him. But I like him. Who knows though, our second best attacker is loaned out at Birmingham, Ranieri might let you have him.
Seriously, I love Ranieri and all, but if he lets Forssell go he's lost his marbles.
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