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Old 04-03-2006, 03:52 AM   #441
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I think overall, it was a solid PPV. The dissappointing ending just made the PPV seem a little worse than it probably was. However, IMO, it definitely lacked the "epic" feel. Nowhere near the worst, but definitely not among the best either.

I really think they dropped the ball on Cena here. It's almost as if they gave him the win just to spite the fans, and as satisfying as that might be, that's never how you book a show, let alone the ending to your biggest PPV of the year.

On the other hand, we'll see how RAW shapes up tomorrow. Triple H is officially off my shit list, however, with this third Wrestlemania job in a row. I mean, unless he's going so far to prove he does bury people as to bury himself, I think it's safe to say his politicking has definitely fallen back to acceptable limits.
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:55 AM   #442
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:08 AM   #443
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I was probably one of the few that liked the Triple H/Cena entrances. It's not often they get to do this sort of thing, anyway. It IS Wrestlemania. I, too, am hoping for a Cena heel turn tomorrow.

Definitely the best moment is that segment with all the "freaks". Especially Ted Dibiase. Best evil laugh ever.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:29 AM   #444
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This PPV was actually better than I thought it would be.

The womens match should have ended differently. Instead of a Chick Kick from Mickie, she should have done a tornado DDT and then a shooting star press or a big move like a moonsault off the top ropes for the win. Seriously, it would have been awesome.

Lita looked really good last night
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Old 04-03-2006, 07:24 AM   #445
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I absolutely loved this Wrestlemania. Granted, there were no 5* classics, but it delivered as a Wrestlemania. It had that special feel to it, and frankly everyone delivered what you would expect (and more) than originally set out.

Missed the Tag Match (gotta get snacks at some point) but one of the few major wtf points was the not changing of the titles onto Masters and Carlito....but hey, its not exactly the end of the world.

Enjoyed the MITB match, not as much as last years, but it was good. Shelton Benjamin is a god. I don't need to say this to everyone here, you already know.....a fucking springboard onto a vertical ladder??? That is insane. Some neat spots, with nothing overly crazy, its the best way to redifine ladder matches, and at the end of the day the right outcome (roll on One Night Stand )

Was genuinely moved by the HOF stuff, wasn't expecting Bret to be there, and in essence it was a good thing, as it may have taken away from the moment.

Enjoyed the JBL/Benoit match. Loved the entrance, Love the character, Love Jillian Hall's legs.....what? Decent enough wrestling match, could have been good given more time, but what the hey.

Edge and Foley....what can I say?? Edge is a fucking star, and Foley got his Wrestlemania moment, this match was everything it should've been and more. This is how these sorts of matches should be done, not like the crap you see in CZW. This had the right facials, the right spots at the right time, a story. This was great. Lita did her part brilliantly, and the pair of those guys have got bottle, I don't think many would believe Edge would be diving into fire at Wrestlemania, but he did, major props to him and the Mickster, my second favourite match of the night.

The walk of freaks had me ROFL, Booker and Sharmell are brilliant, Ted DiBiase had me laughing, the old chemistry between Booker and Goldust and Snitsky.... you just can't hate the man.

That said the match was atrocious, and probably the low point of the PPV. But hey, lets do the WWE thing, scrub over the negatives and move to the positives.

Trish and Mickie....loved it. One of the best womens matches I've seen in the WWE since the Trish/Victoria fued a while back, and I think like many people, I'm in love with Mickie James. On a serious note, I think the crowd in Chicago were telling the WWE something important in this match and I hope they take notice. I honestly believe that the reason they were cheering Mickie and booing Trish (outside of Mickie being a hot psycho lesbian, which is good in my books) was simply a case of saying, this is the amount of effort you should put into your storylines and the development of your characters. Ok, maybe not in so many words, but I think you get my point. This had a great build, and with the exception of the botched finish (which could be explained by "Trish's leg gave out after the punishment it had taken") delivered on the hype. I think Mickie has the potential to be the next huge star of the womans division, and what can I say....she's hot.

Taker/Henry....meh, wasn't as awful as it could've been and a nice old school Taker dive, so it was passable.

Vince/Shawn, technically was never gonna be great, but like every Vince match, it had a great compelling story, Shawn pulled one out of the bag and it turned into a great story, rather than a great match, and was certainly what you'd expect from this sort of match at a Wrestlemania. The seeds perhaps of a new Shawn character, not neccessarily as a heel, not neccessarily a new DX, but certainly a new edge.

I enjoyed the triple threat match, albeit too short. I wanted to mark out for Rey winning the title, but I just couldn't. Granted, the guy has earnt it.... but I just don't buy him as a champion. With the ratings already in the shitter, it'll be interesting to see if the fans do.

Gloss over the Pillow Fight into....

THE MATCH OF THE NIGHT. I didn't think I'd be saying this, but I absolutely LOVED the main event. Firstly bhfngbjiwdhfui CM PUNK bhjhiuewhfo but what the hell was going on with those entrances. I mean.... I think they gave the match what it needed, a huge feeling, but....they were just plain strange. After that though. What a great match. Triple H was on fire tonight, brilliant job. This match started to have the same feel (and in some respects the same format) as Hogan/Rock from Mania 18, but it surpassed that. It did the exact thing it should've of in my eyes. It drew people into the match. At first I was content just sitting and watching the inevitable, but I actually started to edge forward and become exceedingly interested in the match. It was one of those few times when I was watching with awe/disbelief, because I had no idea what was coming next. The finish was unexpected. The match built slowly into a crescendo and was just....fantastic. Props to both guys for an absorbing match, with a crowd that was just brilliant, I did notice that it was the men who were chanting Cena can't wrestle and Cena sucks, and the women and kids chanting for Cena, the dynamic worked, Triple H did everything perfectly. I just thought it was a great, great, old school style brawl with a great story. Plus the ending leaves so much for them to work with in terms of Cena's character. He's proved himself, he won with a wrestling move, he beat the best etc..... the crowd reaction tonight is gonna be the key with where to go next and I do get the feeling the double turn somewhere down the line is inevitable.

Fantastic Mania, not in the top 3 I would say, but it had the Mania feel, and I enjoyed it regardless...... to coin an oft use phrase on Observer Feedback.... THUMBS WAY UP!
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:54 AM   #446
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I loved WrestleMania. I marked out for Kurt Angle, CM Punk & Kane. Even Carlito. He was wearing orange, too. Orange is my favourite colour, so my Carlito marking out was probably enhanced.

The show was good, but I think the main event kind of cheesed it up a bit. I marked out for CM Punk, though. God, he pwned that role. If there is a more charismatic man, I have not found him. How many people get to say they made their debut in the main event of WrestleMania, even if it was in a "non-credited" role?

I think they missed a potential WrestleMania moment by not having RVD cash in his title shot when Cena retained. It would have sent the fans home happy. RVD going 4-0 at WrestleMania would have set up a potential Undertaker vs. Edge vs. RVD match at WrestleMania next year with only one man walking out with the streak. That would have been awesome.

Hopefully the WWE captures the lightning in a bottle (I do think that this year's WrestleMania would have brought in some new fans), and actually does something on RAW that makes it worth watching. The same with SmackDown!. The same with both shows the following week. Let's hope that the WWE pushes towards something new and not something predictable. By predictable I mean John Cena vs. Triple H II.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:22 AM   #447
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lol I dont have to go apeshit cause what he is saying is SO ridiculous that it can't even be looked at seriously. Rey is the best new face they have and I am glad that he won the title. His reign is going to be amazing and I hope he holds it until next Mania.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:23 AM   #448
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Wrestlemania was pretty good despite Rey and Cena winning. God I hate Rey Mysterio
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:44 AM   #449
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lol I dont have to go apeshit cause what he is saying is SO ridiculous that it can't even be looked at seriously. Rey is the best new face they have and I am glad that he won the title. His reign is going to be amazing and I hope he holds it until next Mania.
If he can't even get a crowd behind him at Mania, against Hunter, he won't be holding it next year.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:06 AM   #450
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If he can't even get a crowd behind him at Mania, against Hunter, he won't be holding it next year.
Rey Mysterio was not facing The Game.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:23 AM   #451
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:36 AM   #452
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Why are people complaining?

This WM lived up to it's hype and was one of the best PPVs I've seen in a LONG time.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:42 AM   #453
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Right I was there live, so i'm probably biased here, but for my money that was the best mania since 17
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:18 PM   #455
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:53 PM   #456
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When's the last time a "Fuck you" chant made it onto WWE TV? I mean, sure, it was commonplace for ECW, but...
you'll hear it tonight. thanks to such a shitty ending last night, my fellow wrestling fans here are going to pissed off tonight.

a friend of mine taped the show for me last night (since i sold my tickets for cash and 2 tickets for the white sox game and I'm going to Raw tonight) and I just got done watching it.... i just love how the crowd here doesn't take any shit. the night sucked outside of HBK/Vince & Edge/Jack. the crowd made everything else look better.

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Old 04-03-2006, 01:14 PM   #457
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Is there any logical reason why the most over man in the arena tapped out to the most underhyped and least over move in the entire company?
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Old 04-03-2006, 01:19 PM   #458
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Is there any logical reason why the most over man in the arena tapped out to the most underhyped and least over move in the entire company?
Think about what you just said for awhile and I promise it will eventually make sense.
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Is there any logical reason why the most over man in the arena tapped out to the most underhyped and least over move in the entire company?
because merchandising is a bigger agenda then beleiveability.
hopefully a really good angle... but i sincerly doubt it.

just be prepared for Cena and Trips: Hell IN A Cell
in like 2 months.
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I'm all for Cena retaining.

It made the finish less than predictable... now here's to hoping that Cena turns heel to match the heat he was getting yesterday, and goes back to the angry way he used to be (think of when Kurt Angle imitated him and brought out the mini-Kurt)....Cena hasn't done that ONCE since he went on the face run...
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Old 04-03-2006, 01:46 PM   #461
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I'm all for Cena retaining.

It made the finish less than predictable...
How exactly?
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How is Cena getting a submission victory over Triple H at Wrestlemania predictable?
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:20 PM   #463
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How is Cena getting a submission victory over Triple H at Wrestlemania predictable?
Submission to the STF isn't all that predictable, but Cena getting the duke was.
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:33 PM   #464
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you'll hear it tonight. thanks to such a shitty ending last night
No we won't. Only Wrestlemania has such a stron smark presence. Raw crowds are full of kids and if anything Cena will be getting cheered.
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No we won't. Only Wrestlemania has such a stron smark presence. Raw crowds are full of kids and if anything Cena will be getting cheered.
PPV, Raw, or House Show. Doesn't matter. It's in Chicago. The fans will show the ame spirit tonight as they did last night. It's in the same arena as well.
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PPV, Raw, or House Show. Doesn't matter. It's in Chicago. The fans will show the ame spirit tonight as they did last night. It's in the same arena as well.
Well I disagree. It's very rare to hear a strong smark crowd on Raw. I don't think the location has that much of an effect for a weekly television show.
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:25 PM   #468
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thing with Conan Triple H is I thought that was going to be the start of his new King of Kings's entrance, so I started laughing. It was a WTF moment

But then Cena did his own entrance so then I figured it was strictly a Wrestlemania thing

Cena retaining =

Rey winning =

The freak segment wanted Goldust and Booker T (plus Sharmell) to be a team again. Funniest segment of the night
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:28 PM   #469
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Well I disagree. It's very rare to hear a strong smark crowd on Raw. I don't think the location has that much of an effect for a weekly television show.
Have you seen the last few MSG RAWs and SmackDown!s?

It's said that Vince relies on that crowd for some of his major decisions.

Which may be one of the factors (besides price) that they haven't come around for about a year. Vince doesn't want to be proven wrong about Cena, and the MSG crowd would rip him two and a half new assholes.

The point is that just because it's a RAW, SmackDown!, SNME, House Show, etc, doesn't mean it's not going to be a very smarky crowd.
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Anybody have the highlights from the end of the PPV uploaded yet? If anybody does please pm me.
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:53 PM   #472
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I enjoyed the PPV and was entertained. Thought Edge vs Foley was the match of the night, and proved that Edge can up his game when he needs to. Womens match was excellent as well. Glad RVD won MITB and not Flair.

The thing that annoyed me the most was the triple threat match. Not only was it on 3rd last, it was only on for about 5 - 10 minutes. It was a shame it ended so quick as it was building up to be a good match.

Cena vs HHH was good, but I wish Cena could learn how to do other moves apart from a suplex and a clothesline.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:24 PM   #473
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I'm glad I ordered this Mania.I just had a feeling it would be worth it, and I was right.I think the crowd really made the show though, they were into it more than any other crowd i've seen in a while.Now onto what I think about the matches..

Big Show/Kane V Carlito/Masters

I was expecting like many others, for the titles to go to Carlito/Masters, but that wasn't a big deal.It's good that the titles remain where they're for now, as it keeps us guessing.It was a decent opening match.

Good MITB match, expected it to be longer.Anyone know if Flairs injury was real?If it was, then that just makes me want to go to WWE and say 'i told you so'.Shelton is made for this kind of match.Hopefully he'll win it next year.RVD was always meant to win this time.Can't wait for RVD to win the title.

I was moved by the HOF stuff when Vicki/Chavo came out,made me wish I was there so i could chant Eddie's name.I kinda feel like Eddie should've been there and be facing Angle for the title.

JBL/Benoit

I'm annoyed that JBL won the title, Benoit needs a long title reign and the WWE had a good chance to give him one here but i knew it wouldn't happen.1 month title reigns really don't interest me, especially after he went through a lot to get it.Oh and i hate Jillian, her 'come oooonnnn' chants are so fucking fake its not funny.She makes me want to turn the volume down.You don't have to react to every damn move.This is what some women don't understand about wretsling and being at ringside.

Edge/Foley

Was a great match, watching it now on the repeat on Box office.Loved the bit its showing now when Foley revealed the barbwire he had guarding his chest after Edge did the spear.And Foley got his mania moment.Edge really took a sick bump to.

LOL@the freaks with Booker T/sharmell bit.I think were seeing why the boogeyman has this worms gimmick though, because its meant to cover up the fact that he's a shit wrestler.Was still an entertaining match.

Trish/Mickie James

Great match despite the botched finish, but the quality of the match made you not care about that.The crowd really made this match, and hopefully WWE will book feuds with this much attention to detail in future.

Taker/Henry could've been a piss-break match but the last ride/tombstone on Henry made it worth watching.

Vince/Shawn

Loved the bit where the Mcmahon family were praying to God and Vince goes 'Hey God, I don't like you and you don't like me'..the match was everything i expected it to be to.Had a great finish to it with Shawn jumping of the high ladder.

Triple threat match should've been longer, i don't think i can buy Rey as champ until he beats Angle in a classic match.It was great though.Loved the fast paced action.Angle should've retained and this match should've been on last, but then it was stupid of me to think WWE would follow there own logic of the show that wins the rumble gets to main event at WM

HHH/Cena

This was a match the crowd made and they really showed up the WWE's poor ability to book a face.If this doesn't make Vince take notice then nothing will.Was a bit of a weak/rushed finish i feel.HHH should've won though.Oh and I liked the entrances.They gave the match a special mania feel.

Overall this was a good Mania, it had that feel to it.I think it was the crowd that did that.Can't wait till Mania gets held in Chicago again.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:25 PM   #474
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Cena vs HHH was good, but I wish Cena could learn how to do other moves apart from a suplex and a clothesline.
He did do other moves if you watch the match again you would notice that.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:31 PM   #475
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Have you seen the last few MSG RAWs and SmackDown!s?

It's said that Vince relies on that crowd for some of his major decisions.

Which may be one of the factors (besides price) that they haven't come around for about a year. Vince doesn't want to be proven wrong about Cena, and the MSG crowd would rip him two and a half new assholes.

The point is that just because it's a RAW, SmackDown!, SNME, House Show, etc, doesn't mean it's not going to be a very smarky crowd.
There is a supershow coming up in July I think at the Garden. The NY crowd is always .... dare I say it ... MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for a lot of characters in limbo. Lita goes to the ring and gets torn apart. Lesnar gets booed out of New York. If they go there right now, Cena would get the same treatment.





And if the rumors are true about RVD cashing in the MITB at One Night Stand...I hope to god Cena isn't champ then.
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Solid PPV. Of course I downloaded it for free.
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