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Old 11-29-2006, 05:48 PM   #441
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I don't think he's really been getting robbed in Gold Gloves though

The Gold Glove isn't a defensive only award anymore. And yes... I feel that Crede was robbed of the award.

I also think that needs to be voted for AFTER the playoffs, not before as is the case. No way in hell that Crede loses that award what he did in the 05 series.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:24 PM   #442
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Speaking of Crede/A-Rod, how about Crede winning silver slugger without having any stats as good as A-Rod. Thought that was kind of crazy when I saw that.
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Yeah there's a big difference between say, claiming Joe Crede is an elite 3B (which if he isn't he will be in a year or two) and claiming AJ Pierzysnki isn't a cunt (which he most definitely is)
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Yeah there's a big difference between say, claiming Joe Crede is an elite 3B (which if he isn't he will be in a year or two) and claiming AJ Pierzysnki isn't a cunt (which he most definitely is)
But he's OUR cunt.
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:30 PM   #445
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Speaking of Crede/A-Rod, how about Crede winning silver slugger without having any stats as good as A-Rod. Thought that was kind of crazy when I saw that.
Yeah, what the hell?

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Old 11-29-2006, 07:57 PM   #446
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I think we'll shape up to look like this:

C - Jorge Posada
1B - Shea Hillenbrand
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Johnny Damon
RF - Bobby Abreu
DH - Jason Giambi
Bench - Melky Cabrera, Miguel Cairo, Mike Lieberthal

SP - Chien Ming Wang
SP - Mike Mussina
SP - Kei Igawa
SP - Ted Lilly
SP - Randy Johnson
DL - Carl Pavano

CL - Mariano Rivera
Setup - Brian Bruney
Longmen - Jeff Karstens/Darrell Rasner
RP - Kyle Farnsworth
RP - Scott Proctor
RP - Mike Myers
RP - Chris Britton

Once again, starting pitching is the big question mark. At least we have what appears to be a really good bullpen.

For some reason I have this hunch that we'll sign Shea Hillenbrand. Cashman has been saying he's fine with Andy Philips, but I don't believe him. Philips played a lot last year and he wasn't anything great. There's also no way he's going to depend on the combination of Pavano and Johnson. He'll probably sign Ted Lilly, because either Pavano or Johnson are going to be on the DL. As far as Lieberthal goes, he's a declining catcher who we could probably sign for pretty cheap for a year or two to back up Posada until we find a replacement to take over.
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:20 PM   #448
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Yeah, seems pretty good.

I'm not confident in our rotation but there really isn't much we can do this offseason. The problem is we have too many back-end starters. Everything else is pretty set, we should have a decent amount of bullpen options. Just first base and backup catcher.

I've heard a lot of rumors about Cashman staying quiet and building up talent for an ace starter in a trade. (This was before the Igawa thing though). As much as we need a front-line starter I don't see him doing anything.
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:54 PM   #449
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I've heard Melky Cabrera and Humberto Sanchez for Dontrelle Willis. It would suck to lose Melky though.
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:59 PM   #450
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Ted Lilly is alright. But I'm curious to know what we're going to do with Sidney Ponson. We grabbed him around mid-season, started a few games, then just vanished.

According to the Yankees 40 man roster, he ain't on there. Unless he got dumped quietly or retired.
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:16 PM   #451
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Pretty sure Ponson was DFA. He sucks.
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:04 PM   #452
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Lilly isn't going to go to the Yankees. He's a Jay!!!!1
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:14 PM   #453
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Yeah, heard of that Sanchez/Cabrera rumor. I don't know how I feel about it really. I would hate to lose Melky and am pretty sure the Marlins would want a lot lot more anyway.
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Jays also signed Royce Clayton today, a 1 year/1.5 million deal. Cheap, but I don't know if he'll be able to provide anything that wasn't already there. I hate to say it, but at this point, it looks like a poor decision.
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Pujols is whining that he didn't win the NL MVP. He figures he should have won because he was on a playoff team. While I do think most times this is the case, Howard was more valuable to the Phillies than he was to the Cards. Howard's team also, BTW Albert, won more games than your team did. Is it his fault he played in a tougher division than you, won more games and didn't make the playoffs? Gimme a break.
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Gil Meche was in Toronto at a Leafs game with JP Richardi. Now Meche isn't a superstar, but he'd amek a good addition to the team as a #4 or #5 starter, maybe #3 if Chacin falters. I still see Lilly signing with the Jays. I sure hope so anyway.
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lol, Royce Clayton sucks.
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Pujols is whining that he didn't win the NL MVP. He figures he should have won because he was on a playoff team. While I do think most times this is the case, Howard was more valuable to the Phillies than he was to the Cards. Howard's team also, BTW Albert, won more games than your team did. Is it his fault he played in a tougher division than you, won more games and didn't make the playoffs? Gimme a break.
I didn't even think of that (that the Phillies won games then the Cardinals) that's hilarious

Also, the Gold Glove just isn't about defense anymore? Really? Since when?
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Royce Clayton will bring leadership and stability to the Jays organization. - JP said something similar to that. OK, I get it, you have to, but fuckkkkkkk. I hope he bats .567 hits 92 HRs and 277 RBIs and proves me wrong.

To be fair, the Gold Glove has become sort of the 'runner up' award to the MVP in some cases. Not all, but it's sometimes like a consolation prize.
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Royce Clayton = Next year's Cristan Guzman
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Also, the Gold Glove just isn't about defense anymore? Really? Since when?

The Gold Glove Award hasn't been purely about defense for a while now. Atleast it isn't when you actually compare the defensive stats.

If Jeter has a decent year at SS (and how the hell does he win a gold glove in the first place???? much less 3?) one year and some rookie in KC puts up some sick % stats at the same spot.... DJ will get the award because he will have more coverage (and better offensive stats... which writers love... no mater what award it is for)
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Just look at these two players defensive stats:

Player A: 130g, 95po, 243a, 10e, 27dp, .971f%
Player B: 153g, 121po, 301a, 15e, 27dp, .966f%

Who wins the Gold Glove?
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Doug Mientkiewicz got screwed out of Gold Gloves at least twice in Minnesota. He was incredible.
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Doug Mientkiewicz got screwed out of Gold Gloves at least twice in Minnesota. He was incredible.

Minty is/was a hell of a 1st baseman
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I think Lieberthal would be worth picking up, he'd be a reliable stand in for Posada, and if Posada can get a game off a week he's still going to be plenty fresh come playoff time.

Whats the prospect situation like on catchers? I know we have the 17 year old south-american phenom but gotta imagine he's gonna be a fair way off the majors for atleast another 5 or 6 years
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didn't Royce Clayton play for the jays last year? oh wait, that was john mcdonald. same player

btw i hope the jays don't sign meche
 
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WHY? - Do you think Towers will rebound? There was too much strain put on the AAA system without Towers last year, someone has to step up or someone needs to be brought in. I think the latter is more apra-po considering this team is trying to be a winner.
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I think Lieberthal would be worth picking up, he'd be a reliable stand in for Posada, and if Posada can get a game off a week he's still going to be plenty fresh come playoff time.

Whats the prospect situation like on catchers? I know we have the 17 year old south-american phenom but gotta imagine he's gonna be a fair way off the majors for atleast another 5 or 6 years
I don't think we have any solid catchers, at least any that will help us anytime soon. Navarro was the last good catching prospect we had but he's gone.

Our top prospects are all pitchers (Hughes, Sanchez, Clippard) and outfielders (Tabata), oh yeah, and Eric Duncan.
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How far away is Hughes now? I've heard nothing but great stuff about him
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Most people consider him to be the best pitching prospect in baseball right now. He had a great season last year in AA and will start this season in AAA. He might be big league ready but I don't think he's thrown enough innings in a season yet and would probably break down if he had to throw 200 innings. The Yankees know this and are trying to bring him along slowly, but I feel like he'd be the first guy called up if we need a starter.
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Hughes' numbers last year at AA Trenton:
10-3, 2.25 ERA, 138 K, 33 BB, 106 IP, 0.91 WHIP

Pretty impressive.
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Would we bump him up to AAA for a season or two then or is it likely he'll stay in Trenton?
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He's starting next season in AAA. I think he'll pitch there for a season. Possibly 2. He's still young.
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This is why I hate Cardinals fans, a kid today was bragging that the Cards have to be the favorites to win the World Series next year. First of all, it is stupid to predict who will win the WS in the first place, but second of all, the Cards are the best example, maybe ever, of an average team that gets hot when it matters. They are going to bring back all of their average, Weaver, Edmonds, etc. FUCK YOU. Also, lol at Pujols starting to come out as an ass hole.
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The Gold Glove Award hasn't been purely about defense for a while now. Atleast it isn't when you actually compare the defensive stats.

If Jeter has a decent year at SS (and how the hell does he win a gold glove in the first place???? much less 3?) one year and some rookie in KC puts up some sick % stats at the same spot.... DJ will get the award because he will have more coverage (and better offensive stats... which writers love... no mater what award it is for)
Oh I get what you mean, I thought you ment the actual award itself changed its description. It is suppose to only be about defense. Jeter winning the Gold Glove over Gonzo this year at SS was a complete joke, I dunno how you think Crede is getting robbed though (Especially this past season with Chavez...did Chavez really win due to a popularity contest? - Not to mention Mike Lowell played sick D this past season too)
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Inge is a good defender too, but I do think Chavez is always going to win just because of who he is. He won one year when he was injured half the season.
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Inge is a good defender too, but I do think Chavez is always going to win just because of who he is. He won one year when he was injured half the season.
The bold part is my point. Thanks man.
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Read that the Texas Rangers are talking pretty serious with Zito. There's a team in desperation for pitching, I'm starting to think they'll pony up and sign Zito. If I was Zito though, I don't know.... They seem more like a team in the decline or at the very best going nowhere, so while the money might be slightly better signing there, the team won't be a contender and that would drive me wonkers.
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I think Zito is better off going to a team like the Rangers though, contender or not. I can't see his real laid back attitude hitting it off real well with northeast baseball fans.
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