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Old 05-16-2004, 07:12 PM   #441
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KG is fouled on almost every play.

The Kings admit they play roughneck, no-talent hack basketball. (like Karl Malone)

You really can't argue that, since Vlade admits that's how they play.
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KG didn't do anything wrong there.

Peeler elbows him to the ground, the next posession he bumps him with the shoulder and Peeler throws two elbows to the face? WTF is that? Why did we only shoot one FT and they shot 2? Why didn't we just keep Peja's 1/2? Why can't Sam Cassell shoot the ball? God damnit.
In game 1, the Kings went to the line for every single foul. The commentators were questioning why the Wolves were in the penalty with their first foul.

Little shit like that happens all the time... it gets overlooked, and Flip learned tonight why you NEVER question that.

EVER.

Tech, or a fine. And the Refs will make your life hell the next game. Because who has the right to question why the refs call whatever they want?
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lol calm down chief
Nah. You got the Lakers, you LOVE the refs.
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But you know, you're right.

Teams should play even less aggressive defense than they already do, and cut out any kind of aggressiveness out. I mean they can take 4 or 5 steps without being called for a walk, so they should just give everyone what they want and stop playing any kind of intense d. This would stop people from whining about being called for fouls or NOT being called for fouls because then it would just be a dunk/3 point contest.

That would be swell
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It's the playoffs. They're always more physical. That's why half-court offense becomes more important and score are lower. I'm sure the T-Wolve understand that and they will either match the Kings aggresiveness (which, BTW, is embarassing if you're being outmuscled by the Queens) or they'll go home.

I love KG. I'm pretty certain they're winning Game 7.
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Yeah Im a fan of Spree/KG as well

Just fun getting Beaner and BCWWF riled up because it's so easy
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damn those nets. but it'll be fun to watch them lose in the championship for the 3rd straight year!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i'm actually gonna enjoy this.
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As I predicted before, I think the Nets will win the East.
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But you know, you're right.

Teams should play even less aggressive defense than they already do, and cut out any kind of aggressiveness out. I mean they can take 4 or 5 steps without being called for a walk, so they should just give everyone what they want and stop playing any kind of intense d. This would stop people from whining about being called for fouls or NOT being called for fouls because then it would just be a dunk/3 point contest.

That would be swell
I'm sorry, you don't have the right to mock. You have two of the biggest thugs in the NBA on your team. If it's about being tougher than the opposition, then change it to football, because basketball is an athletic/finesse game.

Garnett is hacked at the knees every time he goes up in the air. One of these times he's going to tear an ACL or fall down and break something. The ****ing MVP of the league doesn't get any calls and he's hit ON EVERY PLAY. That's not defense, you smug bastard. That's Bertuzzi basketball.

Remember: HIT AT THE KNEES.

He doesn't shoot at the knees. Does he? I don't think so. If you're fouled every time you take a shot, that should be like a dozen flagrants per game. He's hacked to make him NOT want to go up in the air. It freaks me out. I want him to dominate, but he can't. Because he gets afraid to go underneath because of this bullshit... so he takes fadeaways from 20 feet.
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LOL

I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team.

The thing is, yeah the Lakers do get some calls. But it's not like they get every call possible. That's just silly to assume. The thing is, there is no way anyone can guard Shaq without somewhat fouling him. That's how dominating he is. But, being reasonable, the refs call the obvious fouls instead of the little contact that has to be made if they even want to contain him. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Granted, everyone isn't a 300+ pounder, but some fouls are going to be called and some are not. It's the way it's going to be and whenever you accept it, the game is much more fun and entertaining.

I have pretty much learned to take the NBA as it is and not wish it was something it's not, every foul isn't going to be called so I'm not going to blame every one of my team's losses on the refs. ANd I'm certainly not going to complain about them if my team wins

Now, if the game is just too one sided to bear, I will simply turn it off and wait for the next game and comment on the calls, I just don't see the point of ranting up and down about the calls or non calls of a game.

Now if I was playing the game then yes I'm sure I would be more upset, but I'm not so I'm just going to watch the game and enjoy.
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Is Anthony Peeler suspended yet?
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hey outlaw, just wondering, why do you start every post with LOL... when absolutely nothing funny has happened

but yeah that's pretty ridiculous that they would eject peeler and not garnett. peeler hit garnett, garnett hit peeler, so either they both stay or both go. i really don't like garnett for some reason... i dunno he just seems like an ass. i predict kings win wednesday, detroit wins tomorrow, and pacers win in 7. pacers over detroit in 6, kings over lakers and 7, and kings over pacers in 6. yeah not likely but i like wild predictions.

oh, and does michael olowakandi suck ass or what? damn, he's rarely on the court anymore but when he does he makes the dumbest plays ever.
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1. Michael Olowokandi does indeed suck ass

2. Peeler elbowed Garnett to the ground, on the next play Garnett held his ground and put a shoulder into Peeler, something that wouldn't even be called, and Peeler jacks him in the face. Peeler indeed should be suspended.
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I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team.
Well you see, I thought anyone could tell from what I said why I said "LOL" when I explained it in the next sentence? I guess I gave you too much credit, sorry.

Yeah, I coulda seen them both getting a technical and possibly Peeler being thrown out but Peeler a technical, thrown out, possibly suspended, and Garnett getting a regular foul? Come on now
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I am pretty sure Garnett got a technical, and shouldering someone like that is not illegal. Elbowing somebody to the ground (thinking it was somebody else) and then elbowing them in the face after a harmless "Recognize" style bump, is illegal.
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I am pretty sure Garnett got a technical, and shouldering someone like that is not illegal. Elbowing somebody to the ground (thinking it was somebody else) and then elbowing them in the face after a harmless "Recognize" style bump, is illegal.
Nah, Garnett got a regular foul.

All fouls are illegal, else they would not be a foul.

I think game 7 will be a good game, have a feeling Minnesota will come out on top though.

Me being a Bibby mark, it's tough for me to say that.

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WTF

Peeler - technical, ejection, two game suspension

Garnett - regular foul, fined $7500

Am I missing something here? Garnett starts the altercation (albeit after Peeler gave him an incidental elbow?) and Peeler gets suspended two games. Wow. The proper thing (IMO of course ), technicals given to both guys and that be the end of it, maybe a fine but two game suspension to go along with an ejection?

How fair and equal they treated this matter

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Peeler hit him in the face, and that is an automatic suspension in the NBA rulebook.

Honestly, if Peeler didn't do anything back, do you think Kevin Garnett's shoulder would have even been called? I for one, do not.
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Also, I know its unfair, but the NBA isn't likely to slap a suspension on the MVP after something as small as that.
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Peeler hit him in the face, and that is an automatic suspension in the NBA rulebook.

Honestly, if Peeler didn't do anything back, do you think Kevin Garnett's shoulder would have even been called? I for one, do not.
I can understand the ejection because if I am correct any elbow thrown above shoulder level is an immediate ejection, not suspension. A punch thrown is an immediate suspension of a minimum one game, but this was an elbow, which is an immediate ejection, not suspension.
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Peeler took a swing at someone's face, basically. In all cases like that, the suspension is pretty much automatic. Christ, Kenny and Chuck were calling it on TNT five minutes after the game ended.

And it doesnt really mattter. The Kings have made a habit of choking when it counts the most. CWebb gets that deer in the headlights look, Peja starts throwing up bricks as soon as hsi defender gets the tiniest bit physicla, Vlade loses his composure, and the only guys that used to come up with real gritty plays in the past are either injured (Bobby Jackson) or no longer with the team (Scott Pollard). Mike Bibby will make enough big jumpers to keep things interesting, but the Kings dont have the nads to win a Game 7.

Plus, Kevin Garnett is in the midst of The Leap, and there's no stopping that.

And since I had to read The Miz's ridiculous predictions, here are mine:

T-Wolves win Game 7; the Maloofs don't have the guts to blow up this team of chronic underachievers & they struggle to win 45 next year.

Lakers beat T-Wolves in 6. KG learns what real playoff heartbreak is. If you know your NBA history, you know that once a great player learns this, they usually win a title in the next year or two. The T-Wolves are the team to beat next season.

Detroit loses to New Jersey. They have no go-to guy that can create for themselves. Pistons fan everywher try not to imagine what this year would've been like if Joe D drafts Melo instead of Darko (wehavetayshaunwehavetayshaunwehavetayshaun).

Indiana beats the Nets in 5. O'Neal goes nuts. Artest punks Jefferson the way Richard punked Frankie Muniz at the Celebrity All Star Game. JKidd secretly knows that signing with the Spurs would've been his last window for a Title.

Finals: Laker in 6. Two of the wins they get are scary close; only Kobe manages to pull them out of the fire. GP and Karl get their rings, neither retuns next season. Charles Barkley oficially becomes best player to never win a damn thing. And the future of the franchise rests with Jerry Buss' decision: Phil or Kobe?

Oh yeah, and the twelve citizens that take the box in Colorado come August.
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A punch thrown is an automatic suspension of a minimum one game.

This was not a punch.

In Peeler's defense, it looked like instinct to me, you get a hard shoulder you're going to react too.

Not making an excuse for him, but I mean I can see me doing the same thing out of reaction alone.
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I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team.

The thing is, yeah the Lakers do get some calls. But it's not like they get every call possible. That's just silly to assume. The thing is, there is no way anyone can guard Shaq without somewhat fouling him. That's how dominating he is. But, being reasonable, the refs call the obvious fouls instead of the little contact that has to be made if they even want to contain him. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Granted, everyone isn't a 300+ pounder, but some fouls are going to be called and some are not. It's the way it's going to be and whenever you accept it, the game is much more fun and entertaining.

I have pretty much learned to take the NBA as it is and not wish it was something it's not, every foul isn't going to be called so I'm not going to blame every one of my team's losses on the refs. ANd I'm certainly not going to complain about them if my team wins

Now, if the game is just too one sided to bear, I will simply turn it off and wait for the next game and comment on the calls, I just don't see the point of ranting up and down about the calls or non calls of a game.

Now if I was playing the game then yes I'm sure I would be more upset, but I'm not so I'm just going to watch the game and enjoy.

Sam and Spree are old and smallish. I wish they were more physical, but Sam is hobbled and Spree, I dunno. Sam can be physical, but he gets called for it.

Remember five fouls in two minutes?

Shaq does get fouled a lot, yes. However, he travels more than anyone, never is called for it. He uses his elbows like it was LEGAL (and the refs tend to think some elbows are legal under the NBA rule book, i.e. Brad Miller and Karl Malone), and yeah, that's part of being a superstar, so I'm not going to fault the Lakers for their style of play... I just think it doesn't make for good basketball. A few years ago, the Kings had more talent than the Lakers, but lost because the Lakers had the refs on their side. This year, the Kings are doing the same. I think that the league wants Lakers/Kings, and that's a travesty... because the Kings don't have the talent to hang with the Lakers. Do they have Brad Miller, who will probably force Shaq to beat his ****ing ass? Yes. And if the Kings make it, I hope to God Shaq puts Miller in his place... many times. Of course, Shaq won't get suspended in the West finals if he attacks Miller (YAY!), so dunno, doesn't matter. I'm rambling now... Lakers are good... but the NBA should let them win on their own, because it takes away from the skill when you want to create a dynasty (i.e. Jordan never EVER having to dribble).

"We're responding to what they do," Miller said. "They have a couple of guys who are grabbing and holding people."

throwing people to the ground...

Anyway, your next point... Blah blah blah, basically. You're a Laker's fan. Your team gets all the calls, so you can talk shit to other teams. A team that has so much talent and one of the best coaches is getting the shit beaten out of them by a team of hacks (remember Vlade admitting it? ), I am a little upset. I want things called straight up.

But when you got a ref with a grudge, then you know the Wolves are ****ed.

Tell me who's reffing game 7, I'll tell you who's going to win.

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Wally Szczerbiak was sidelined by one of Denver's undercuts and was out for six playoff games.

Well, the Kings have gone one step further with Miller, the biggest goon on the floor. He has been knocking people down, undercutting Garnett and others and getting away with it.
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Isn't that when everyone kept slipping? So KG slips and gets a turnover at the end of the game because of that shit.

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Saunders was complaining to Crawford about a call with 5 1/2 minutes left in the first half Sunday. The coach was overheard saying the Wolves had lost only a handful of games since late March, and Crawford had been present for most of them.

The Wolves are 16-4 since March 27, and Crawford has worked three playoff losses -- Game 3 vs. Denver, and Games 1 and 6 vs. Sacramento.

The last time the Wolves had seen him in the regular season was on March 27 in Los Angeles. Crawford officiated a 98-82 victory over the Clippers that started a nine-game, season-ending winning streak.

The fouls were 23 for the Wolves and 22 for Sacramento on Sunday. In Crawford's three playoff games, the winless Wolves have shot 49 free throws to 75 for their opponents, and they have been called for 73 fouls, 12 more than their opponents.
There it is. You can tell something is horribly wrong in the games the Wolves have lost. Game 4, that wasn't anything, that was the Wolves not trying to win. Games 1 and 6 were tough, though. It was painful to watch KG getting turnovers because he was being hammered. He's not big enough to hold onto the ball when someone punches him in the wrist. And he can't power up a shot when someone has their arms wrapped around him.

Maybe it's just KG isn't good enough? I mean, if Shaq can do it, why can't KG?



See what I did there?

I pointed out how the NBA doesn't care about skill as much as it does brute force anymore. If you're not stronger than your opponent, you shouldn't be in the NBA. Or maybe they shouldn't let ANYONE play defence!

I'd like to see Madsen kick Miller in the nuts, how's that defense for ya? The way things are going, it might be the best bet, if he were to tear something.
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What the hell did you just say? Out of all that dribble all I got was that you hate the refs and the NBA is conspiring against the Minnesota Timberwolves because they don't like them and really want them to lose.

I also read something about me being a Lakers fan so that's the reason I don't bitch about the refs. Just because I'm not a little child about the refs?

Also the traveling thing, Everyone in the NBA travels, it's not called, PERIOD. That's why I like watching college basketball, more "genuine" you can say.

Oh, and the only reason the Lakers won that series was because of Robert Horry's three pointer.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!
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The Sacramento Kings had home court. Even with the questionable officiating in Game 5 (and the questionable officiating Kings' fans don't talk about in Game 6) they stil had home court in a deciding game and choked.

Choke, choke, chokety, choke. I really don't know how a T-Wolves fan can doubt that they'll win Game 7 when they're facing a Kings team that doens't have an ounce of guts on the whole roster.
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What the hell did you just say? Out of all that dribble all I got was that you hate the refs and the NBA is conspiring against the Minnesota Timberwolves because they don't like them and really want them to lose.

I also read something about me being a Lakers fan so that's the reason I don't bitch about the refs. Just because I'm not a little child about the refs?

Also the traveling thing, Everyone in the NBA travels, it's not called, PERIOD. That's why I like watching college basketball, more "genuine" you can say.

Oh, and the only reason the Lakers won that series was because of Robert Horry's three pointer.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!
"I'm not a little child about the refs"

What would you do, giggle because the refs suck the Lakers' balls?

If anything, you're being a child by completely ignoring the gayness of the refs, because your team benefits, so you can put blinders on.

NO PERIPHERAL VISION.

LOOK AT ME *snaps*



He is a little ugly fag who needs to be fired. For some reason, he hates the Wolves. Dunno why. He just does. Wolves won't win game 7 if it's Crawford.

Anyway, "I'm just having fun riling these guys up " that's okay. You won't be so annoying when the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason.
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i hate that danny crawford. seems like every game i watch he's always involved in bad calls somehow.
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the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason.
yeah i think the lakers are done after this season.

Malone: Sounds like he is gonna retire, win, lose, draw, whatever.

Payton: Doesn't seem like he's happy, imo he's outta there.

Kobe: chances are he's not going to jail, but there's always the chance. plus, rumors are going around that he wants to go to Denver? i even heard golden state...

Phil Jackson: contract is over after this season and he wants certain monetary value, but the lakers are only willing to give him like 70% of what he wants. he's probably gone too.

so that leaves... shaq.


yep, it's all or nothing for the lakers this season. they will be bad for YEARS to come.
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Exactly. The Lakers are done after this season.

Haha good riddance.
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I'm wherever Shaq goes. He's been my favorite player since his LSU days where he dominated there as well so I'll be alright.

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"I'm not a little child about the refs"

What would you do, giggle because the refs suck the Lakers' balls?

If anything, you're being a child by completely ignoring the gayness of the refs, because your team benefits, so you can put blinders on.

NO PERIPHERAL VISION.

LOOK AT ME *snaps*



He is a little ugly fag who needs to be fired. For some reason, he hates the Wolves. Dunno why. He just does. Wolves won't win game 7 if it's Crawford.

Anyway, "I'm just having fun riling these guys up " that's okay. You won't be so annoying when the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason.
RIGHHHHTTT

I know one thing. If I had the MVP of the league on my team who gets hella calls, I would not be complaining and ranting about a conspiracy against my team. Well, I wouldn't even if the MVP wasn't on my team but with him on your team it makes you look even more silly.

Yeah, they might be torn apart after the season. But you know, I won't be ranting on and on about the refs, I'll guarantee you that. I won't be a little 10 year old because you know...life goes on if my team loses or not.

Obviously, for you, it does not.
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RIGHHHHTTT

I know one thing. If I had the MVP of the league on my team who gets hella calls, I would not be complaining and ranting about a conspiracy against my team. Well, I wouldn't even if the MVP wasn't on my team but with him on your team it makes you look even more silly.

Yeah, they might be torn apart after the season. But you know, I won't be ranting on and on about the refs, I'll guarantee you that. I won't be a little 10 year old because you know...life goes on if my team loses or not.

Obviously, for you, it does not.
I know, right, I had to go to the ER after last game because I tried to kill myself.

Arguing the shit on the 'net now makes me a baby? Neah, dude, don't be a fag. You're not even arguing points anymore; you're just hurling insults.

"Wolves have lost the 3 games Danny Crawford has reffed..."

"HAHAHA Cry about it you baby! HAHAHA"

"But..."

"WAH WAH WAH u baby hahaha cry about it u baby, dry ur baby eyes of ur baby tears coz ur crying like a little bayyybbbbeeeeeeeeee HEHEHEHE"

You're like the Sacramento Kings of this thread.

PS: KG gets ****all for calls. He wasn't suspended because he had no reason to be. He threw a hard screen in retaliation, everyone says he started it, but he didn't chin check anybody. That was the right call. But getting fouled multiple times on every play and not getting calls is not concurrent with being MVP of the league. He should be getting EVERY call. But NBA officials aren't the ones who decide the MVP unfortunately

You are right though, I shouldn't complain, because KG doesn't complain. I just wish he a) wouldn't get mauled b) would get called for it or c) was physical enough to endure all the undercutting people do, because it is shady, and never gets called EVER. But anyway, he doesn't complain about that ish. He's ready to go to war! He's a FUCKING SOLDIER.

Hahaha I got some tek nines, a couple joints with silencers...
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Yeah he sounded like Kellen Winslow right therre.

That was a screen? Could have fooled me. I didn't say he should have been suspended. What I THINK should have happened, and what it looks like SHOULD have happened according to the NBA rules, double technical and an ejection for Peeler.
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If Peeler had head-butted, kicked, slapped, or did just about anything directly to the face of another player, he would be suspended. Its not like punching is the only illegal thing or the only one that would cause damage. So if KG and Brad Miller started fighting next game using open palmed hits to the face, double technical, no suspensions? I think not. You're just trying to pick apart little discrepincies that don't have any relevance right there.

I don't think that its just coincidence that the Timberwolves have lost four games in the past month, and three of those losses have all been reffed by Danny Crawford or whoever he is. The NBA doesn't want to see the Timberwolves succeed after that whole Joe Smith scandal. I'm not going to say thats the only reason we haven't swept both round one and round two, but obviously it is more than just a coincidence. And when Flip Saunders told Crawford that statistic in the last game, he got a technical. Typical.

The Lakers would kill the Kings, no doubt about it. Chris Weber can't play defense, and he would have to be on Malone. Brad Miller would get his shit rocked by Shaq, who is much bigger, stronger, and better than him. Peja or Christie guarding Kobe? Laughable. Once again, Bibby would be the only player Sacramento could count on, besides Doug Christie throwing up air balls to tie game 7. The way the Lakers are playing they would have a huge advantage over the Timberwolves, but it would be a much closer matchup. Shaq would have the potential to go wild, but Kobe would top off real fast with Trenton Hassell on him, Spre on Payton, Garnett on Malone. The Timberwolves are deeper than the Lakers but not as dominant. The key to the whole thing would be defense, which Sacramento just does not have.

I think the Nets will probably come out of the East again, which is kind of a shame. IMO it would even be a shame if it was the Pacers, because neither of those teams has the personnel to deal with the Lakers. The Pacers and Timberwolves would be a great matchup on paper, but Garnett would blow away O'Niel, and so on. The Nets, they have the experience and ability to be dominant in the East, but what do they think they're gonna do, have Kenyon Martin trying to stop Shaq or Malone? Kerry Kittles guarding Kobe Bryant? Until the Nets get an established power forward or center they will never win a championship. In my opinion, the only team out there with any chance of beating a Western team in the finals would be Detroit. They have the defense to shut down even the Lakers for at least one game, and the big men in the Wallace's to play with the West, Rip Hamilton has been hot too, but their offense just doesn't seem to cut it. I will have to predict Lakers win the finals in 5 anti climactic games.
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KG didn't get calls last game because he played Chris Weber, pull up for jumpers. If he drives the lane like he did in that comeback vs. Denver he will get all the calls he wants, and MORE!
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uhhh since when is one of the best defensive guards in the league covering kobe "laughable"
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Since when is Peja/Christie one of the best defensive guards in the leauge?
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Uhh, are you retarded?
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