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Old 12-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #441
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Tigers are getting a good young core in this deal. Schlereth could be a really good lefty in the bullpen. Is Jackson MLB ready, even for a rebuilding team like Detroit?

Granderson really is one of the few good guys in baseball today.

I wouldn't be surprised now to see Damon re-sign and the Yankees try and move Cabrera to a team like the Cubs.
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Tigers are getting a good young core in this deal. Schlereth could be a really good lefty in the bullpen. Is Jackson MLB ready, even for a rebuilding team like Detroit?

Granderson really is one of the few good guys in baseball today.

I wouldn't be surprised now to see Damon re-sign and the Yankees try and move Cabrera to a team like the Cubs.
Ideally Jackson would be in the minors one more year. He needs to cut down on his strikeouts and show some power. With Detroit seemingly going into rebuild mode maybe they let him work out his problems at the major league level. But realistically I'd think he would be in the minors for at least half a season.
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I have a feeling the Yankees are planning on going for an outfield of Melky-Granderson-Swisher and have Damon as the DH. Gives them a much better defensive outfield and gives them a lot of flexibility with the DH spot. When Posada, A-Rod or Jeter need a DH day they can put Damon in left and really not lose much offense.
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I love the trade, but I hate giving up Granderson. LC, you will notice how he will do great things for your community when he gets there.
Hopefully he hits more like 2007 than 2009.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:34 PM   #445
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Wow. Peter Gammons is leaving ESPN following the Winter Meetings. Hope he goes to MLB Network.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:59 PM   #447
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fuck, there goes Halladay

I wouldn't say that. I think we could still easily get Halladay with a Hughes package. I really liked Jackson though.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:35 PM   #448
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So, apparently the Red Sox have been telling people that they are NOT going after Matt Holliday, even if they don't get Jason Bay (who I guess has been telling his old Pirates teammates that he wants to play for the Mariners).

So...if the Red Sox, Angels, and Giants are not interested...and the Yankees just got Granderson...and the Mariners get Bay...think that just leaves the Cardinals and Mets, and the Cardinals don't seem to think they have enough to get him unless the price drops a ton, whereas the Mets want the price to drop but are willing to spend more.

Of course, Boras will probably have Holliday wait it out, and he'll pit the Mets against a "Mystery Team" like he ALWAYS does...but it's looking pretty good right now.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:24 PM   #449
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Yankees and Tigers raped AZ today

Austin Jackson's ceiling is Curtis Granderson. Ian Kennedy was too far down on the depth chart to make an impact. Phil Coke is expendable.

Granderson gives the Yankees the ability to say peace to Damon or Matsui. I think they let Damon go and slide Cabrera to left, deal Gardner. They need a number 5 hitter which Damon is not and Matsui is. Matsui you can have for cheaper than Damon and for one year instead of two. Matsui leaves, Posada can slide to DH and Montero can catch.

I don't know what AZ was thinking. They got Edwin Jackson but this was a deal to win now, which they aren't in the position to do. They gave up Scherzer, easily the best pitcher in the deal. The other pitcher they gave up projects as a future closer as well and was AZ's top pick in the 2008 draft.

Detroit... let the rebuild begin. They get A-Jax who will replace Granderson, Scherzer who slots in nicely behind Verlander and Porcello, a guy to battle Zumaya for closer of the future and Phil Coke who can start or relieve.

Dbacks got a pitcher to win now when they aren't winning shit and a guy who can maybe be a #3 starter in the NL West one day.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:27 PM   #450
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Cabrera in left, Granderson in center and Swisher in right... cheap, productive, solid defense and good arms.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:54 PM   #451
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Problem with your plan, Frazor.

Monstero is not even close to ready for the big leagues. Frankie Cervelli is catcher in waiting.
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Cubs might be close to finally trading off Miltion Bradley to a "surprise AL team".
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to the Mariners...for Carlos Silva

I know the Cubs are desperate to move Bradley, but goddamn. Silva just made the Top 10 "Worst Contracts of the 2000s" lists
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I'm liking this deal more and more now that I've had time to think about it. The good thing is now we have a base running threat at the top of our lineup. HUGE in the playoffs
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So, apparently the Red Sox have been telling people that they are NOT going after Matt Holliday, even if they don't get Jason Bay (who I guess has been telling his old Pirates teammates that he wants to play for the Mariners).
I'll believe this when I see it. Didn't the Yankees say they weren't interested in Teixiera in the beginning of last winter?
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Jackson could be as good as Granderson.

I've heard rumors that people in New York are pissed over this deal
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I'm not happy dealing Austin away
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I'm with Fake here. In 3 years who knows if Austin Jackson will be nearly as good as Granderson. How much higher could his ceiling really be then what Granderson is now? Works out great for Kennedy who was probably not going to get another shot with the Yankees and losing Coke just isn't that big of a deal. Plus I am a Granderson fan so that is great
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Awwww. Feeling left out in Denver, here's some Rockies new for ya.

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Cabrera in left, Granderson in center and Swisher in right... cheap, productive, solid defense and good arms.
I like that outfield. I do think Damon as the DH would be great though. He'd allow a lot of flexibility for Posada/A-Rod to DH when needed. Melky can sit on those days and the offense doesn't take a hit at all.

And yeah, Jackson at his best is Granderson. With probably a lot less power. He's definitely a good prospect and I hope he does well but the deal made sense for the Yankees.
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Who bats 5th if you have Damon instead of Matsui... that's my only question

Plus flexibility of Matsui for 1 year instead of Damon for 2. I mean, I love Damon and I would like to see him back but Granderson essentially replaces his bat and plays much better D. Matsui makes more sense at this point.

And Cervelli is nothing more than a backup catcher - he's not Posada's heir.
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The problem with Montero is that they say he might be too big to stay a catcher. At that point I don't know what to do him because he has an 80 bat and Texieira is playing 1B for the next 74 years. Maybe he can play LF or something

Austin Romine might be the catcher of the future, decent bat and glove
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Who bats 5th if you have Damon instead of Matsui... that's my only question

Plus flexibility of Matsui for 1 year instead of Damon for 2. I mean, I love Damon and I would like to see him back but Granderson essentially replaces his bat and plays much better D. Matsui makes more sense at this point.

And Cervelli is nothing more than a backup catcher - he's not Posada's heir.
I just think Damon has a lot more value because he can play LF when needed. With the amount of days Posada and A-Rod are presumably gonna need at DH this year I think it'd be huge to be able to play Damon in LF when those guys are DH'ing. With Matsui he's just gonna have to be benched when the DH spot is needed.

I wouldn't mind Matsui if Damon keeps asking for too much but Damon just seems like the far better bet to stay healthy and add some value by playing LF when needed.
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The problem with Montero is that they say he might be too big to stay a catcher. At that point I don't know what to do him because he has an 80 bat and Texieira is playing 1B for the next 74 years. Maybe he can play LF or something

Austin Romine might be the catcher of the future, decent bat and glove
I think the Yanks will and should give him every possible chance to stay at catcher. He doesn't even have to be good defensively. If he is average and his offense is as big as expected he could be an all-star.

Next year should be pretty big for Montero since its the first year he'll actually have full-time catching duties. The past couple years they've had Romine and Montero climbing the ranks at the same time and they split catching duties. Next year should be big in giving Montero needed experience at the position.
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Gammons said he is joining MLB Network. In addition, he will become an analyst and reporter for NESN, the regional sports network in New England affiliated with the owners of the Boston Red Sox.
Full article: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725366
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:47 AM   #468
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Peter Gammons is probably my favorite sports analyst next to Bob Costas. Sad to see him leave ESPN (it's gonna be weird), but I'm pretty pumped he's going to MLB Network with Bob. My head may explode seeing the two on TV together.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:00 AM   #469
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Gammons is gonna cover the Red Sox for NESN?

NO WAY!
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:02 AM   #470
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Hasn't he always worked with NESN while in ESPN since NESN has ties to the Boston Globe. I think it was mainly when ESPN would show a Red Sox game live or once in a while when they do the pre-game show/analyst for the day's game.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:12 AM   #471
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Yeah I think he's always been a "partner" to NESN or something like that. I guess now it's more full-time and "official."
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:14 AM   #472
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ESPN and NESN are basically the same thing anyway
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ESPN Boston
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:48 AM   #474
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Brad Penny to the Cardinals.
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Yanks about to sign Pettitte to a 1 year, $12 million deal

Pretty happy about that, makes it even less likely they'll go after Lackey
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We don't need Lackey, don't get the whole deal about him

That said, he'd fit in with the Mets as a solid 2
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Unless the Mets actually get Halladay
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If the Angels happen to land Halladay, I think that really lowers the market for Lackey and would drive his price to be more reasonable. That being said I still think the Yankees will players for him. Mets better man up and sign him!
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