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Old 11-28-2012, 11:45 AM   #1
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I would add Will Middlebrooks, Edwin Encarnacion (though I think he is playing more 1B at this point), Hanley Ramirez and Martin Prado as guys right up there. Different flavors of players but just as productive as Wright in ways.
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I would say Aramis on on par with David Wright as well.
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I would add Will Middlebrooks, Edwin Encarnacion (though I think he is playing more 1B at this point), Hanley Ramirez and Martin Prado as guys right up there. Different flavors of players but just as productive as Wright in ways.
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I would say Aramis on on par with David Wright as well.
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Not a single guy I mentioned dont have near comparable numbers to Wright offensively, and Wright's defense isnt as good as it was 3 years ago.

Completely fair.
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I wont keep railing on this, so long as the Mets dont continue to make this a non story.

But of all the names listed on this page, swap them with Wright and the Mets probably finish with the same record. Put wright on those other teams, maybe he pulls an extra couple wins, maybe not.

Hes not a superstar on par with what he is about to be paid. Hes not going to be overpaid on a Jayson Werth like level, but hes going to be making superstar money to perform like a B player.
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btw I read this morning that the Rockies were going to take Evan Longoria but ownership overruled the personal people and I wanted to kill myself
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You mean Greg Reynolds wasn't worth the #2 pick?
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Longoria, Kershaw, Morrow, Lincecum, Ian Kennedy, and Chris Perez all taken after Greg Reynolds.
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To be fair, 75 percent of the firsts that year completely busted.
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Just heard that the LAAA may not be interested in signing Greinke, and that the Dodgers and Rangers would be the top two takers if that happens. I understand that Greinke is a basketcase mentally, but he does have talent. I think the Angels ought to re-up him if it's at all possible
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* Reds sign Jonathan Broxton to a 3 year $21 million deal with the idea of making him the potential closer and moving Aroldis Chapman to a starting role.

* R.A. Dickey has already told the Mets he wants a new deal done this winter or else he won't bother with any offers from the Mets during the season.

* According to ESPN, this year's Hall of Fame voting is going to be the real test of how strict the voters will be towards the Roids Era now that bigger names are arriving in groups. Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa are all first year candidates.

ESPN thinks Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling have the best shots as first year candidates while Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell and Tim Raines have the best chance from previous years candidates.
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David Wright's career numbers sit at .301/.381/.506. Thats elite production at a premier position thin on talent. Add the fact that he's a superior defensive player and has above average speed and you have a legitimate 5 tool player. Zimmerman, Longo, Beltre, and other like players cannot claim that. He's worth $16 mil in my book.
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David Wright's career numbers sit at .301/.381/.506. Thats elite production at a premier position thin on talent. Add the fact that he's a superior defensive player and has above average speed and you have a legitimate 5 tool player. Zimmerman, Longo, Beltre, and other like players cannot claim that. He's worth $16 mil in my book.
You and I have very different definitions of ELITE. I ate a 5 dollar turkey sandwich for lunch. I thought it was OK but you probably would think it was elite.
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Personally, Morris, Biggio and Piazza (maybe Bagwell) are all I would vote for. Schilling was good, but not HOF good, and anyone who thinks he is is probably a Red Sux whore. Piazza= 3rd greatest offensive catcher ever behind Bench and Berra, Biggio won Silver Sluggers at catcher and 2nd base, as well as transitioning to be a capable CF with 3,000 hits and a prolific leadoff hitter, and Morris was the best pitcher of the 80's. The others are tainted, I feel.
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I wouldn't vote Morris in. He's a guy I view as a good player, but not HOF worthy.Same for Schilling. Piazza, Biggio, Bagwell, and Raines are in for me.
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LOL. Come the fuck on. You say Morris is not HOF worthy but RAINES is? Come on now. Same boat.
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If Morris makes it then Schilling will eventually.
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Aramis Ramirez last Year

.300 .360 .540

27 HR 105 RBI

171 Runs scored

And his defensive metrics are similar.

COME ON, you.
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I don't think Aramis Ramirez scored 171 runs last year.
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Had 172 last two seasons combined..
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I don't really have anything else to add to this conversation.

I do like David Wright though and would love to have him on my team.
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I don't really have anything else to add to this conversation.

I do like David Wright though and would love to have him on my team.
Sure, so would I. Not at 20 million per for 7 years.

Mets should have dealt him at the deadline and they could have really got the rebuilding process going. Now they are going to overpay him to play on shitty teams and by the time they have a chance to contend again he will well past his prime.
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Yeah I totally was looking at hits. 92 runs scored.

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As for the HOF, I think Bagwell finally get in. He should have been a first ballot guy, but at least he'll go in with Biggio (who is a lock).

Really hoping Piazza is a first ballot guy too...that being said if Bagwell had to wait 2 years I think Piazza will too. Any steroid era player will pay the price even if they've never been outright implicated.
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As for the HOF, I think Bagwell finally get in. He should have been a first ballot guy, but at least he'll go in with Biggio (who is a lock).

Really hoping Piazza is a first ballot guy too...that being said if Bagwell had to wait 2 years I think Piazza will too. Any steroid era player will pay the price even if they've never been outright implicated.
I would rather have Martin Prado and 15 Million dollars than Wright.

Or Middlebrooks and 20 million.
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Bagwell gets the shaft, I believe, due to the glut of good first baseman over the past 20 years. Hell, Mark Grace had more hits than anyone else in the 90's and he's maybe 15th best over that span. The position is, and always has been stacked and Bagwell is just a victim of that, but should be held in higher esteem because others (Palmeiro, McGwire) proved themselves to be frauds.
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Bagwell is almost guilty by association. Its like the voters look at anyone from that period, guilty or not, with that same disdain. Since he played with Cammaniti, and during the Juice era, surely he was juicing.

Bagwell was one of my favorites as a kid, really hope he will go in.
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It really is bizarre to consider that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa will be shut out but Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Morris will go in over them. They were all excellent players, but watching baseball from the early nineties through mid-2000's you had a sense that Bonds and Clemens were the best position player and pitcher since at least 1970. But the others (insofar as we know) did it the "right" way.
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It really is bizarre to consider that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa will be shut out but Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Morris will go in over them. They were all excellent players, but watching baseball from the early nineties through mid-2000's you had a sense that Bonds and Clemens were the best position player and pitcher since at least 1970. But the others (insofar as we know) did it the "right" way.
I think out of all the juicers or supposed juicers, Bonds would have the best shot although after getting "punished" for a few years by the voters.

His stats and career before the supposed juicing years (2000-2002?) was already Hall of Fame potential and most believe his juicing was due to jealousy from all the attention McGwire and Sosa got from their HR race.
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