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Old 12-11-2015, 09:29 PM   #1
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Jeeeesus you really have reading comprehension problems. Read what I said and then read that very first line of your response over and over again til something clicks. Seriously.

This is that "Do you really think Sandow is a main event player!?" response to people saying Sandown should have been more and that "LOL What's wrong with someone losing to the top face of the company?" response to people saying constantly jobbing Rollins to Cena was retarded all over again. I don't know if it's an actual mental issue you have or if this is one of your "tactics" when bullshitting your way through a discussion isn't working.
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Old 12-12-2015, 05:38 PM   #2
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Jeeeesus you really have reading comprehension problems. Read what I said and then read that very first line of your response over and over again til something clicks. Seriously.

This is that "Do you really think Sandow is a main event player!?" response to people saying Sandown should have been more and that "LOL What's wrong with someone losing to the top face of the company?" response to people saying constantly jobbing Rollins to Cena was retarded all over again. I don't know if it's an actual mental issue you have or if this is one of your "tactics" when bullshitting your way through a discussion isn't working.
jokes.

You just went back and sifted through old posts and tried to make connections that just aren't there. You take everything I say as though I'm saying this is the word of God and I have claimed to predict the future. I just said I thought the booking was heading in a certain direction. We'll never know if it was or it wasnt. EVEN IF IT WASNT, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not WWE books in the right way or wrong way. You think Ceasro shouldn't have lost to Big Show. I think it made perfect sense given the bigger picture. You think Cesaro is floundering in no man's land, I think he is/was on the verge of a big push. We'll see what happens when he gets back. Unfortunately for you I will have forgotten what you said on the matter because I dont obsess about your posts like you do mine. Maybe Noid will remember it, and give you a big hug to make you feel better.
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Old 12-12-2015, 05:42 PM   #3
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Ratings news. Smackdown was up this week.

What does it all mean? A turnaround?
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:00 PM   #4
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Ratings news. Smackdown was up this week.

What does it all mean? A turnaround?
"It's been a little colder this year than it was last year.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!"
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:17 PM   #5
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I just said I thought the booking was heading in a certain direction. We'll never know if it was or it wasnt. EVEN IF IT WASNT, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not WWE books in the right way or wrong way. You think Ceasro shouldn't have lost to Big Show. I think it made perfect sense given the bigger picture. You think Cesaro is floundering in no man's land, I think he is/was on the verge of a big push.
That sound you're all hearing is everything going right over CyNick's head again and again.

It has everything to do with whether WWE books in the right way. That's the whole point that you clearly aren't getting.

It's not that Cesaro was or wasn't on the verge of a big push or is floundering in no man's land. The point is even if Cesaro is or was in line for a big push, WWE doesn't properly book Cesaro (or anyone else for that matter) even when they're clearly behind/pushing guys.

As a result, almost everyone is floundering in no man's land. Cesaro, Rollins, Reigns, etc. are all perfect examples of WWE's inability to effectively write/book someone and get/keep them over, even the talent they're currently pushing.

Not to mention WWE's inability to notice/care when someone is already over/getting over and continue to keep their momentum going or at least avoid killing their momentum through horrible writing/booking. See Bray Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose, Cesaro, etc.
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Old 12-13-2015, 02:27 AM   #6
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I was wondering why it felt so drafty in this thread.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:18 PM   #7
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That sound you're all hearing is everything going right over CyNick's head again and again.

It has everything to do with whether WWE books in the right way. That's the whole point that you clearly aren't getting.

It's not that Cesaro was or wasn't on the verge of a big push or is floundering in no man's land. The point is even if Cesaro is or was in line for a big push, WWE doesn't properly book Cesaro (or anyone else for that matter) even when they're clearly behind/pushing guys.

As a result, almost everyone is floundering in no man's land. Cesaro, Rollins, Reigns, etc. are all perfect examples of WWE's inability to effectively write/book someone and get/keep them over, even the talent they're currently pushing.

Not to mention WWE's inability to notice/care when someone is already over/getting over and continue to keep their momentum going or at least avoid killing their momentum through horrible writing/booking. See Bray Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose, Cesaro, etc.
Cesaro has not yet been pushed to main event level. As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:52 PM   #8
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As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
... Alright, this does come off as pretty troll-y. lol
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Old 12-15-2015, 05:12 PM   #9
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Cesaro has not yet been pushed to main event level. As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
There's that sound again.

That's not the point.

Why would you repeatedly try to push Upcoming Superstar A (i.e., Reigns) in the same way, month after month, when it's clearly not working? At least it seems they FINALLY tried a different route with Reigns on Sunday and Monday.

In addition, when Upcoming Superstar B (i.e., Ziggler, Cesaro, Dean. Fucking. Ambrose., etc.) is already over/getting over naturally on their own, why not let them continue to do their own thing and try pushing Upcoming Superstar B instead of killing Upcoming Superstar B's momentum with either intentional or negligent horrible writing/booking?
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#1-wwf-fan is absolutely spanking CyNick. This is more humiliating than NormalSmiley's defeat.
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LOL

"Hey guys, my Dad is the strongest man in the Universe, he can lift ANYTHING"

Almost as credible as you saying that.
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LOL

"Hey guys, my Dad is the strongest man in the Universe, he can lift ANYTHING"

Almost as credible as you saying that.
Hey, if Noid told me his father was Mark "Somebody's gon' get dey ass kickt" Henry, I'd believe him.
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Well just as long as he doesn't start running down my country, black people or women, we may be able to keep this spanking from getting physical.
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If I were you I would definitely try to forget all my posts as soon as possible and hope no one else remembers them, too.

Try to throw a self-fatisfied "this is what's gonna happen, you guys just don't get it. TERRIBLE BOOKING THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THIS AMIRITE" and then when someone brings it up to call you out on your smug reasoning for how the future will prove all the Meltzer sheep wrong NOT actually happening, you go the "You're just obsessed with me" route.

Beautiful.

This long transition from actually trying to bullshit to strawmanning to just flat out ignoring the more damning things that stand in your way of believing what you want to believe to now playing a stalker victim to try to avoid getting called out on shit has been a pleasure to watch.
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Wrestling is highly predictable. Would you contimue to watch a TV drama where you could pretty much guarantee what was going to happen each episode?
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If it was well done, yes. The journey can be as fun as the destination.

WWE is just like traveling in dog shit right up the dogs arse right now though.
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I knew the Arrow was going to beat Deathstroke in season 2 but I still watched it.
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Well look at that. Seems like Meltzer got another thing right. Since it didn't come from HHH or Vince though, it must not be happening. I'm sure CyNick will just claim that Meltzer got lucky and since Meltzer didn't know exactly who the new announcer for SD was going to be, it's not real news.

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Well look at that. Seems like Meltzer got another thing right. Since it didn't come from HHH or Vince though, it must not be happening. I'm sure CyNick will just claim that Meltzer got lucky and since Meltzer didn't know exactly who the new announcer for SD was going to be, it's not real news.
You clearly missed my point on this.

Dave's report said "there appears to be at least one major change...". He goes on to claim it does not involve bigger talent appearing, so he concludes it is EITHER commentator OR set related. To me that's either horrific reporting because it's so vague (essentially a guess) or it shows his sources are pathetic. If it was a real source in the know (say Michael Cole), he would know that it was a new commentator and would be able to confidently report that (even if he didn't want to release the name).

I predict Wrestlemania will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches. I also predict they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show.

In 4 months I will have been verified as a legitimate insider. Yay me.
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You clearly missed my point on this.

Dave's report said "there appears to be at least one major change...". He goes on to claim it does not involve bigger talent appearing, so he concludes it is EITHER commentator OR set related. To me that's either horrific reporting because it's so vague (essentially a guess) or it shows his sources are pathetic. If it was a real source in the know (say Michael Cole), he would know that it was a new commentator and would be able to confidently report that (even if he didn't want to release the name).

I predict Wrestlemania will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches. I also predict they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show.

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Oh so now only Vince, HHH, Steph, Dunn and on-air talent like Michael Cole are legit sources? None of the other 620+ employees are legit. No matter how long they've worked there, what they do/have done or who they've worked with/for?



You also missed my point, the news wasn't just that they were bringing in a new commentator or changing the set/production, but also that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent to reboot the show. The conclusion was that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent but were likely to change commentators/production.

Also your comparison doesn't work.

Of course WM will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches and they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show. WWE does that every year at WM and anyone could guess that.

WWE doesn't move Smackdown to a new network every year. What or even if any changes will or won't be made to Smackdown as a result of that move is harder to predict than the basic annual WM recurrences.

Sure, I and most people could have guessed that WWE MIGHT make some changes for the move. So because he could have simply guessed the same info, he and/or his sources suck?

I can guess what a testifying witness might say too by inferring from other evidence, history, or my own experience. Does that mean my witness might suck and I shouldn't enter their testimony as evidence? Using your logic, no witness is credible if their testimony can also simply be guessed with a modicum of accuracy.
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Oh so now only Vince, HHH, Steph, Dunn and on-air talent like Michael Cole are legit sources? None of the other 620+ employees are legit. No matter how long they've worked there, what they do/have done or who they've worked with/for?



You also missed my point, the news wasn't just that they were bringing in a new commentator or changing the set/production, but also that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent to reboot the show. The conclusion was that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent but were likely to change commentators/production.

Also your comparison doesn't work.

Of course WM will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches and they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show. WWE does that every year at WM and anyone could guess that.

WWE doesn't move Smackdown to a new network every year. What or even if any changes will or won't be made to Smackdown as a result of that move is harder to predict than the basic annual WM recurrences.

Sure, I and most people could have guessed that WWE MIGHT make some changes for the move. So because he could have simply guessed the same info, he and/or his sources suck?

I can guess what a testifying witness might say too by inferring from other evidence, history, or my own experience. Does that mean my witness might suck and I shouldn't enter their testimony as evidence? Using your logic, no witness is credible if their testimony can also simply be guessed with a modicum of accuracy.
I would guess that the vast majority of network moves resulted in some type of visual change. So that prefiction is a little like predicting it will be cold on a winter day in Edmonton. Cold is subjective and it's a pretty safe bet it will be cold.

Like I said it shows he either has worthless sources or he's a terrible journalist because he didn't ask for specifics
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They did a PPV ending that was well received, hyped up Vince coming back and SHOCKINGLY, the rating jumped. Let's see how that holds.
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Interesting that RAW was up. How did football do week over week?
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Crippy just said they were pushing him to be the guy but they failed and had to pull back and hold off a bit.

You replied by telling him he was wrong and then explaining how they were pushing him to be the guy but they failed and had to pull back and hold off a bit.

Gonna give a point to the "He's a troll" side.
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Or in the most recent case that I referenced at the top of the page, a guy who tells people "You're wrong! The earth is not round! Now let me SCHOOL YOU by explaining how the earth is ACTUALLY round..."
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columbus set out for an entirely different location and stumbled across america. so i'd say the cynick's point is apt, just not the way he thinks it is.
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Also weird coming from someone who constantly asks about verified sources.
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who has changed their stance on roman? show me a post.
Haven't seen a response to this one yet.
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Haven't seen a response to this one yet.
Just in general. People seem more positive about the guy compared to a few weeks ago. The majority on here were suggesting he will never get over as a top face. All it took was for WWE to use their magic for two shows, and boom, the guy is hot as hell.

What are you looking for here, a quote from someone? People often underestimate how little time I want to put into these posts.

I appreciate people who sift through old posts, but geez, it's a message board. Reeeeelax boys.
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Just in general. People seem more positive about the guy compared to a few weeks ago. The majority on here were suggesting he will never get over as a top face. All it took was for WWE to use their magic for two shows, and boom, the guy is hot as hell.

What are you looking for here, a quote from someone? People often underestimate how little time I want to put into these posts.

I appreciate people who sift through old posts, but geez, it's a message board. Reeeeelax boys.
I wasn't looking for anything. I just wanted to make sure you didn't gloss over ron the dial's request for proof of people changing their stances on a guy after two good outings.

For a guy who wants legit sources from everyone, you sure take some liberties yourself.
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I wasn't looking for anything. I just wanted to make sure you didn't gloss over ron the dial's request for proof of people changing their stances on a guy after two good outings.

For a guy who wants legit sources from everyone, you sure take some liberties yourself.
When i start claiming to be a journalist you can hold me to those standards
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So what's your excuse for holding everyone else to those standards? I'm fairly certain no one on here has claimed to be a wrestling journalist.
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You have CM Punk who "claims" he was booked to face (and go over) Hunter at Mania, which they had begun to evidently build on TV if you go back and watch the title unification ceremony.

Batista has also stated in interviews he was supposed to be going over at Mania as a babyface and that he had told Vince he didn't think it was going to work because he feels he's better as a heel and that he (correctly) figured the fans would resent him coming back into that spot.

Bryan had practically no interaction with the authority following the HBK screwjob, instead feuding with Bray Wyatt for three months while Big Show was randomly pushed into the role of "People's champion" to take on the Authority. Suddenly Bryan's feud with the Wyatt's closes with a clean loss and he's in the spot Punk was in, fending off the authority.

Chris Jericho has corroborated the "story" that Bryan was scheduled to face Sheamus, stating that he wanted to wrestle Bryan at Mania 30 but Vince had already got him locked in for Sheamus so Jericho did not appear at Mania 30 because he didn't want a "Fandango" deal again (Note how I am even including this even though I disagree with Jericho and his views on Fandango).

Bryan getting that main event was course correction after their planned main event bombed hard and Punk quit leaving HHH with nothing to do, it was not an ingenious master plan built over six months. If you would rather believe talking heads of HHH and Vince on a WWE network special, who have every reason to make you believe they didn't shit the bed, then I guess that's just what you'd happily lie on.

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You have CM Punk who "claims" he was booked to face (and go over) Hunter at Mania, which they had begun to evidently build on TV if you go back and watch the title unification ceremony.

Batista has also stated in interviews he was supposed to be going over at Mania as a babyface and that he had told Vince he didn't think it was going to work because he feels he's better as a heel and that he (correctly) figured the fans would resent him coming back into that spot.

Bryan had practically no interaction with the authority following the HBK screwjob, instead feuding with Bray Wyatt for three months while Big Show was randomly pushed into the role of "People's champion" to take on the Authority. Suddenly Bryan's feud with the Wyatt's closes with a clean loss and he's in the spot Punk was in, fending off the authority.

Chris Jericho has corroborated the "story" that Bryan was scheduled to face Sheamus, stating that he wanted to wrestle Bryan at Mania 30 but Vince had already got him locked in for Sheamus so Jericho did not appear at Mania 30 because he didn't want a "Fandango" deal again (Note how I am even including this even though I disagree with Jericho and his views on Fandango).

Bryan getting that main event was course correction after their planned main event bombed hard and Punk quit leaving HHH with nothing to do, it was not an ingenious master plan built over six months. If you would rather believe talking heads of HHH and Vince on a WWE network special, who have every reason to make you believe they didn't shit the bed, then I guess that's just what you'd happily lie on.

How can you hate dirt sheets but love shitty bed sheets?
Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
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Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
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Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
I see you've gone with the insanity plea. No further questions.
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