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Old 11-28-2007, 11:58 PM   #481
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Wang needs to bring his slider into the game more. He did it every now and then and he dominated people. I remember one game where he used the slider as his out pitch against the Sox and he was killing them. He came up through the system with the slider as his best pitch anyway. Nowadays if his sinker isn't sinking much or even if its moving too much he gets knocked around pretty bad. Just like against Cleveland; hopefully they get him working on that this season.

And after that Twins trade I really think the Yankees chances in getting Santana may have dropped. They got a center fielder in the deal which may not make Melky that much more appealing to them. And Melky was a pretty huge part of that deal if it were ever to happen. I could definitely see the Twins asking for too much for Santana now and not trading him at all.
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Also, if Melky is dealt I really do worry about what the Yankees will do with a vacant CF spot. Damon shouldn't even be considered. Matsui in left and Damon in center would be a catastrophe again.

They will probably go hard after Rowand or Jones and sign them to massive contracts, which would probably be even worse. I really hope they stick someone like Gardner out there and let him play. All he needs to do is play good defense and not be a complete waste of a lineup spot. Its not like Melky has some monster offensive stats or anything anyway.
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Also, if Melky is dealt I really do worry about what the Yankees will do with a vacant CF spot. Damon shouldn't even be considered. Matsui in left and Damon in center would be a catastrophe again.

They will probably go hard after Rowand or Jones and sign them to massive contracts, which would probably be even worse. I really hope they stick someone like Gardner out there and let him play. All he needs to do is play good defense and not be a complete waste of a lineup spot. Its not like Melky has some monster offensive stats or anything anyway.
All I keep hearing is Rowand will be signed by the end of the week so we'd probably be left with Andruw Jones.
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WFAN just reported the Mets are about to offer Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey for Dan Haren and Kiko Calero.

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I have no doubt Beane is gonna ask for more...but I'd love this deal. Guerra looks like he could be the man, only 18 and throwing 95 MPH...but that just spells "arm trouble"
is it me or does every good pitcher that leaves oakland seem to do crap (or not as good) elsewhere?
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is it me or does every good pitcher that leaves oakland seem to do crap (or not as good) elsewhere?
I dunno, it varies. Mulder was great his first year out then crap then injured. Hudson was great then had a down year then bounced back. The only guy who really sucked right away was Zito, who probably stopped caring after netting himself job security for 7 years and a guaranteed $126 million.

Anyway, I think Haren would work very well with the Mets and Calero would be a great bullpen addition as well (last year being his only bad year really).

I still think the proposed trade is too good to be true and Beane is gonna try to rape us as always and cancel the trade if he doesn't.
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And another player gets caught.

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More ish from Rotoworld:

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According to the New York Daily News, there's "speculation in MLB circles" that the Mets are considering parting with Jose Reyes in a potential trade for Johan Santana.

Minnesota traded away its starting shortstop Wednesday, sending Jason Bartlett to Tampa Bay. However, previous reports have suggested that the Mets aren't willing to trade Reyes, David Wright or Carlos Beltran. If a deal for Santana can't be worked out, the newspaper speculates that the Mets will pursue Erik Bedard, Dan Haren or Dontrelle Willis.
The popular rumor I keep hearing now is some outfield prospects and Humber for Haren, which would be a pretty solid deal for the Mets. Trading Reyes would be retarded, he's the Mets franchise player along with David Wright.

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After failing in their bid to sign Mike Lowell, the Phillies are reportedly interested in Melvin Mora.

Mora said earlier this month that he'd waive his no-trade clause if the Orioles decided to deal him to a winning team. Mora is set to make $8 million in 2008 and 2009, with a club option for $8 million in 2010 that can be bought out for $1 million.
It's a good fit for the Phillies, IMO, and would give them one of the best infields in baseball, with Mora, Rollins, Utley and Howard.

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The Pittsburgh Post Gazette reports that the Pirates are interested in Japanese reliever Kazuo Fukumori.

General manager Neal Huntington said Wednesday that the team is "in negotiations" with several relievers. A 31-year-old right-hander, Fukumori is coming off a poor season in Japan that saw him post a 4.75 ERA before having bone chips removed from his elbow.
Sounds like a great move

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Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd said Wednesday that "it looks like Kaz Matsui is going to sign with somebody else."

The Rockies have several in-house candidates to potentially replace Matsui at second base, including Ian Stewart and Jayson Nix, but O'Dowd indicated that the team may bring in a veteran like Mark Loretta. "If we can create competition for those internal candidates, without blocking their path completely, we will certainly do that," O'Dowd said.
Dumb ass move for Matsui who can't seem to play decently anywhere except Coors field.
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Dear God I hope they don't trade Reyes.....just go for Haren or Bedard if thats what its gonna take to get Johan.
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Keep hearing different things about Santana. I really hope he gets dealt sometime next week during the meetings so that can be done with.

Some people say the Red Sox are the frontrunners with a deal of Lester, Crisp, Masterson and Lowrie (which I don't see as a great haul). I kind of see Lester on the same level as Kennedy (maybe a little higher potential) and Melky is better than Crisp. And then some people say the Sox are out of it because they won't offer Ellsbury.
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If the Red Sox get Santana:

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I'd consider not being a Mets fan if they traded Reyes or Wright
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Also there's no way Minaya is trading away a Hispanic player
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The Mets will sign Livan Hernandez, I bet.
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I wouldn't mind Livan if and only if they can get an ace. In that case, Livan would basically be there to eat innings every 5 days
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Yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just a feeling I have. He's not a good pitcher anymore really but he's a workhorse.
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Apparently the team that trades for Johan is gonna have a 3-day window to negotiate an extension or else Johan will veto the trade.

Imagine how hard the Twins could put the Yanks' balls in a vice? "Yeah so Johan is negotiating with the Red Sox now...you've got 3 days to give us Hughes, Kennedy, and Cabrera or he's going to Boston
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I don't think the Yankees would do that though. Even if he's close to signing with Boston I don't think they'd give up two of the three pitchers. Just too much especially when we don't even know if Pettitte is coming back. And honestly I don't see how a Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, Horne, throw in a shortstop etc... deal is any worse than Boston's proposed deal. Maybe its just me but I don't see Lester as anything more than a 3-5 starter, like Kennedy. And Melky and Crisp are very similar stats wise except Melky is making less, is younger and is under team control.
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Pretty sure I just heard that Billy Beane, as expected, declined the offer from the Mets. Rumor has it he's gonna wait until Santana is gone so that he can further up the costs.

I'd be shocked if the Mets and A's actually made a deal. Beane has dangled so many players in the Mets' face over the years without actually going through with a trade, from Damon to Hudson to Zito.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...xtras/thebuzz/

Charlie Walters of St. Paul Pioneer Press claims the Sox are the frontrunners for Santana at the moment. This is the pending offer:

Red Sox get
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Coco Crisp
Jed Lowrie
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Kaz Matsui signs with the Astros, 3 years, $15 million
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That's a good move for both parties. Especially if he can "handle the pressure".
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Charlie Walters of St. Paul Pioneer Press claims the Sox are the frontrunners for Santana at the moment. This is the pending offer:

Red Sox get
Johan Santana

Twins get
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Coco Crisp
Jed Lowrie
Justin Masterson
I'm not a huge fan of moving Lowrie or Masterson, but Santana would make it worth it.

I mean, you'd be talking about probably 2 of the top 5 SP in the league on the same team.

One of the best closers in the game, one of the best (based on most of last season) setup guys in the league and a great hitting lineup...

of course, Ortiz needs knee surgery, and manny can be manny.. but still...
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I'm really sick of these so called experts (particularly in the New York media) saying the Mets simply have no shot of getting a good pitcher because they "have no chips".

Carlos Gomez is still among one of the top OF prospects in the league, as is Fernando Martinez (who the Mets are EXTREMELY reluctant to part with, nearly untouchable). Milledge is still only 22 and has shown he can play at the big league level. As for pitching, sure Pelfrey got rocked in the big leagues last year, but he's only gonna be 24 at the start of next season and still throws mid-90's with a sinker that can only improve. Guerra throws mid-90s at age 18.

I've heard that Beane is gonna retort the Mets' offer of Gomez, Guerra, and Mulvey and rather than give back Haren, they will give Blanton. That would kinda suck IMO. Blanton's good and all but he's no ace.
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I'm not a huge fan of moving Lowrie or Masterson, but Santana would make it worth it.

I mean, you'd be talking about probably 2 of the top 5 SP in the league on the same team.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Santana is one of the only players I would give up those 2 prospects for.
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Kenny Rogers returns to Detroit on a 1-year deal. No surprises there.
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Apparently the Yankees are close to signing Mark Loretta for some reason. Not really sure why. Betemit seems like a better backup anyway. Really hope it doesn't have to do with Cano at all. Cashman is an idiot if he deals him.
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Mets get: C Brian Schneider, OF Ryan Church
Nationals get: OF Lastings Milledge

I'm fucking at a loss for words.
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The Mets asked the A's and O's beforehand if they wanted Milledge, and both clubs said they weren't interested. OK, that's fine...BUT DON'T TRADE HIM WITHIN THE DIVISION FOR 2 FUCKING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS

Now they are gonna be haunted by Milledge for years and they are still going to have to give up Gomez for a pitcher. Fuck Omar Minaya. The ONLY way he can make this work is if he somehow gets Bedard and they wanted Church instead of Milledge...which I highly doubt Angelos is THAT stupid as Church is a 29-year old backup.
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Castro, Lo Duca, Estrada, Brian Schneider

did they let Lo Duca go or something?

I dont understand this at all, probably Omar Minaya trying to get a thug off the team
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Lo Duca's gone and Estrada probably won't be offered a contract (making that deal an excuse to get rid of Mota)

It just pisses me off that the Mets are gonna have to lose Gomez AND Milledge now if a trade is made.

But yeah, just like with Lo Duca, willing to bet that Milledge was let go due to attitude reasons
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Kenny Rogers signs up with the Tigers again for a 1-year deal.

After a few weeks of silence, Yankees and Jorge Posada finalize their deal. Setting a new bar for Catcher salaries.

About time, Jorge. Had us worried for a bit. All we need now is to hear from Pettitte.
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Missed Vito's post.

What the fuck kind of deal is that for the Mets, seriously?
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Shit. According to reports, the Angels and Marlins were pretty much set to deal Miguel Cabrera like anytime now. However, Marlins uped the price twice before they were ready to deal. They wanna know how many pitchers in return they want. It's been confirmed that Howie Kendrick Jeff Mathis are gonna be going in any deal no matter what.
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Apparently the Yankees are leaning towards offering Hughes in the deal for Santana. I dunno, hopefully Cashman doesn't pull the trigger on that one too quick. I still think the price would come down eventually if the Sox don't offer Ellsbury. I know theres other teams in play and all that but not many teams will afford Johan. And if the Sox don't budge on Ellsbury and the Yanks don't offer Hughes are the Twins gonna just walk away and wait til the trade deadline and get half the amount of prospects? Assuming the Sox and Yanks have the best deals out there right now.
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Yeah. I hope they don't deal in Hughes as well.

Just read that the Yankees are right now trying plan B. Calling up Billy Beane and asking about Dan Haren.
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Ugh. Just read that Hughes has been offered by the Yanks. I don't really understand it at all. Why they would include him when Boston hasn't offered up Buchholz or Ellsbury is beyond me. I understand he's the best pitcher in baseball but still. It doesn't seem like the Twins have much choice if the offers remain at what they were.
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