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Old 07-17-2008, 06:01 AM   #1
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...And Pikmin is officially announced.

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Shigeru Miyamoto has confirmed that Nintendo is making a new Pikmin game. Answering questions about core franchises at a secret E3 press conference yesterday, Miyamoto revealed that the classic GameCube title will be making a return.

"I'm actually on the same floor as all of my staff," said Miyamoto. "Among those staff, there's staff from the Pikmin team, staff from the Zelda team, and they're all enjoying creating new games."

"We continue with investigating all types of games. When it's time to announce such a title, I'll announce it - so look forward to it."

Then he announced: "We're making Pikmin."

This is great news and those who would have like more announcements at the E3 conference can rest easy in the knowledge that there are plenty of exciting new titles on the way.
Why couldn't they have mentioned Pikmin or other wanted games at the conference instead of waiting until now? Still, good news with Zelda, Mario and Pikmin getting new games.
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Old 07-18-2008, 07:37 PM   #2
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Duke Nukem Trilogy trailer (yes its an official trailer):


Its purposely that pointless, I'm told.
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Duke Nukem Trilogy trailer (yes its an official trailer):




Its purposely that pointless, I'm told.
And this will come out around the same time that Duke Nukem Forever will come out.
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And this will come out around the same time that Duke Nukem Forever will come out.
No it won't. It's being made by Apogee, not 3D Realms and the games are already made and just need porting.
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Polyphonic are now saying that GT5 might not be out until 2010....
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Polyphonic are now saying that GT5 might not be out until 2010....

LOL. A delayed PS3 game? SHAWK!

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LOL. A delayed PS3 game? SHAWK!

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Well, they always said that they won't finish GT4 Mobile until GT5's done, so god knows when that's gonna be out.
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Well, they always said that they won't finish GT4 Mobile until GT5's done, so god knows when that's gonna be out.
Probably never, they've taken so long on it and have stated they're not going to finish it until GT5 is done I can just see them scrapping it to be honest.

As for GT5 I can't really understand why they keep delaying it. It is after all only a racing game. I know they put a lot of effort into the GT games and I appreciate that but you'd think with it being one of Sonys bigger titles they'd be keeping the development team to a tighter schedule.

I'm not saying rush it out the door but for a racing game the number of delays does seem to be a bit silly.
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People keep telling me how awesome GTA will be, and how I'll be sorry for owning a 360 (Kinda dumb, I own a PS3 as well) when it comes out.

Apparently, I will rue the day in 2012.

Nah, but I kid. It's just amazing how many of these titles are being delayed.
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It'll make it out just in time to be obsolete. Not that it'll matter, because it'll sell like hotcakes.
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Fucking hate simulation racers. Burnout, all the way, baby.
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Fucking hate simulation racers. Burnout, all the way, baby.
Yup, and DiRT. The only mode ever played online by anyone is Destruction Derby mode and, although there are only 2 tracks in that mode, they both have overlapping ramps for the fun of mid-air T-Bones
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Flatout's awesome if you can get it cheap, since we're talking less realistic driving. The main game isn't terrible, but it's the bonus games and demo shit that really shine.

Anyway, I like Project Gotham, but never have been a big fan of the GTA series.
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And Burnout was awesome until Paradise.
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And Burnout was awesome until Paradise.
Main problem I have with Paradise is being unable to restart the race if something goes wrong. I'm tempermental when it comes to racing games so if shit goes wrong I like to restart it.

Although it makes up for it by if you cancel the race theres always something else nearby.
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There is never really much to bring you back to them I always find. Like you'll play for a while and think "Hmm this is fun" but by about the 10th race you find yourself in the same shitty Honda and getting bored of having to do the same $3000 race just to upgrade your car.

That said I did love GT4 and was addicted to it for a few weeks but after playing GT5 Prologue for a bit I just can't bring myself to really go for the better cars, just takes far too long.
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Main problem I have is that it's not really Burnout anymore. The race bit isn't a problem until you've completed a lot of the races. No crash mode is kinda lame. That was one of the big things that made it fun in previous games. Toning it down to a "more realistic" experience kills a lot of the fun. And free-raoming kills the arcade experience.
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Main problem I have is that it's not really Burnout anymore. The race bit isn't a problem until you've completed a lot of the races. No crash mode is kinda lame. That was one of the big things that made it fun in previous games. Toning it down to a "more realistic" experience kills a lot of the fun. And free-raoming kills the arcade experience.
I liked Burnout Paradise and I prefered the free-roam, but the lack of crash mode really put me off it.

When DiRT came out, it put me off the unrealistic crashes of Burnout completley. That destruction derby mode with it's real crashes that look MORE over the top than Burnout, yet have real physics behind it, look that more spectacular.

Burnout was made for the crash mode. They need to do a sequel to Flatout with more insane mini0games as well
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Flatout definitely needs a new sequel with more insane shit.

Also, I would LOVE to see a Burnout game with a state-of-the-art Physics engine. Do something like they're doing with Force Unleashed.
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http://whatifgaming.com/whatifgaming...inji-hashimoto

Read his answer about why FF13 is going to the 360 as well, and then how he answers the follow up question about Star Ocean 4!

SOMEONE GOT MS'S MONEY HERE!!

Either that or someone's being rather secretive (I keep reading that Sony is going to have something to announce at the TGS, but dunno if that is a dead rumor or not).

Still, though, way to dodge a question as to if you're going to play fair to the console war or not and give people MORE reason to think you're trying to screw a system to get some MS money.
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SOMEONE GOT MS'S MONEY HERE!!
God, are you stupid.

I mean the worst part about this is that there are several more rational explanations, including issues with architecture (Which you can argue, but Sony were the ones who said their hardware was hard to program for), memory limitations, read speeds (Hey, remember that 2X BD ROM Drive?) and just the fact that it's more cost-effective to develop for the 360...Which you can argue, but with more units sold and an attach rate more than double the PS3's, you'd be wrong.

Yes. But you ignore all those possibilities and go for the most fanboyish response humanly possible. Which probablywouldn't be so bad if you weren't the tard who ran around calling people fanboys.

On the plus side, you're not quite as dumb as the "There will be a reckoning in Japan and nobody will buy the game! DISHONOR! DISHONOR! WAKA DESU!" Guy.
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http://whatifgaming.com/whatifgaming...inji-hashimoto

Read his answer about why FF13 is going to the 360 as well, and then how he answers the follow up question about Star Ocean 4!

SOMEONE GOT MS'S MONEY HERE!!

Either that or someone's being rather secretive (I keep reading that Sony is going to have something to announce at the TGS, but dunno if that is a dead rumor or not).

Still, though, way to dodge a question as to if you're going to play fair to the console war or not and give people MORE reason to think you're trying to screw a system to get some MS money.
"Fair to the console war"? That is the funniest shit I've ever read. Of course, Square are trying to screw Sony, go fucking cry about it.

SquareEnix is a business and if their plan of relasing the game accross the 2 formats gets them more money than they have succeeded. Does it matter where that money comes from? No, as long as it wasn't illegal.

1 question, before you claim MS and SE have colluded to kidnap your parents and will not relase them until you buy a 360. How is this coming out on 360 going to affect your enjoyment of the game? If the answer is yes, you're more of a fucking idiot than I thought. If it's no, then why the fuck do you care?

P.S. Fuck you
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"Fair to the console war"? That is the funniest shit I've ever read. Of course, Square are trying to screw Sony, go fucking cry about it.

I don't think most developers really care about the console wars or loyalty beyond money, anyway.

The one good thing about the console wars is that they benefit the consumers. Console manufacturers naturally compete for the business of the developers and publishers.

The side effect is stupid fanboyisms, especially from the clear fanboys.

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They'll get more money from the 360 anyway, just by benefit of the installed fanbase and the disposition to buy games, rather than BD movies.

But paying for exclusives, buying loyalties, etc.? Pretty SOP in the gaming world. As much as I'm sure darkpower probably believes that all third party developers on the PS3 do so solely because of devotion to the best console ever, Sony really pushed this procedure to the front of the gaming business.

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Don't joke. I was forced to buy a PS2 last gen for that same reason.

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Just to nitpick, you asked him "how," which is not a "yes or no" question.

But since I know what you meant, it shouldn't matter. Though exclusives and game sales do affect more games coming out in the future and such, so maybe that's where the outrage is coming from. I mean, it's hard to tell, because dp's loyalty to Sony often stretches well beyond that barrier (ie, "Only a fanboy would believe that Microsoft could sue over something they were legally awarded a patent for), os I don't think it's just concern for future games.

But, as you already know, everyone's wrong but him.
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Of course, the notion of Microsoft paying for exclusives or to "steal" exclusives isn't actually all that absurd. However, Sony's been paying for exclusives and to try and lure them away from other companies since before Microsoft was in the gaming business. It's largely a model Sony developed based on the movie business. (EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that the consoles didn't fight before Sony came around, just that the current model is one based off Sony's experience in the movie and music industry)

So while I afford for the fact that it could be a legit issue, it really would only be one if, as I already indicated, one was going for the most fanboyish response. Which leads me to ask:

Is darkpower butthurt by the fact that Microsoft is paying to sway game companies, or that they're doing it better than Sony right now?
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:25 PM   #26
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Was the vid of the guy spazzing over FF13 the TPWW poster Darkpower?
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I didn't watch the vid. What did he say?
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I didn't watch the vid. What did he say?
Great Japan will not buy a single copy of FF13 because they believe in honor, unlike inferior America. This is betrayal, and the only way to save face is to pull FF13 from the XBox or something like that. I dunno. Hard to hear him over the laughter.
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I was under the impression FF13 was going to be on both PS3 and 360 in NA and Europe.

If not, I still don't care.
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Oh.

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So you can see why people might confuse him for darkpower.
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I haven't had any interaction with DP m'self, not anything worth noting anyway. But anybody who takes FF13 going multiplatform as some sort've attack against them is an idiot. Why have a problem with more people enjoying a game you enjoy? Honestly, anybody who isn't an employee of one of the big three shouldn't give a rat's ass what's exclusive. They still get their game, now others will.

God.

And darkpower's like this, you say?
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Actually, no. KK is just trying to hide his xbot ways (had to get it in here somewhere). And no, I never said no one could disagree with me nor that I was right all the time.

I've heard about the YouTube spazz out (I'm choosing not to watch it). It was not meant to be a serious reaction, but a spoof of how people were reacting to such news (which, personally, I didn't mind it anyway. I don't particularly care as I don't consider myself a fanboy and that).

The main issue came because in that interview, the guy was asked about the reason why FF13 is going to be on the 360, and he answered with "we want to have as many people as possible play this game, and that's why we made this decison". But then the guy asked about the possibility of Star Ocean 4 going to the PS3 based on the answer he gave to the previous question, and he suddenly was like "well, certain conditions prevent stuff like THAT. Next question, please?" It was as if he could go one way with that logic, but not the other, and he really didn't want to incriminate himself.

Thing is, I personally DO think this could backfire on MS seeing as how the PS3 is still on SE's mind when making the game, it's stiull a PS3 exclusive in Japan (a country in which the 360 desperately NEEDS help in), and it could be a chance for Sony could say "this is WHY multiplat titles are better on our system" by slamming even the tinniest reason why the 360 version may not be as good. This is a good chance for them. Wondering if they will do something like that instead of going "OMG, we lost an exclusive."
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Actually, no. KK is just trying to hide his xbot ways (had to get it in here somewhere).
That would actually be funny, if you hadn't just made an asshurt fanboy response to FF13 and "fairness" in the console wars.

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And no, I never said no one could disagree with me nor that I was right all the time.
So when you use your usual "Only a fanboy would believe..." What you really mean is...?

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It was not meant to be a serious reaction, but a spoof of how people were reacting to such news (which, personally, I didn't mind it anyway. I don't particularly care as I don't consider myself a fanboy and that).
Which is why you yourself were ranting.

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The main issue came because in that interview, the guy was asked about the reason why FF13 is going to be on the 360, and he answered with "we want to have as many people as possible play this game, and that's why we made this decison". But then the guy asked about the possibility of Star Ocean 4 going to the PS3 based on the answer he gave to the previous question, and he suddenly was like "well, certain conditions prevent stuff like THAT. Next question, please?" It was as if he could go one way with that logic, but not the other, and he really didn't want to incriminate himself.
Or, there's logic there that is inconvenient to your fanboyism that you still don't wish to address.

But even then, Microsoft pays more, where's the problem? Are you naive enough to think they're the only ones paying, or hypocritical enough to think that it's only bad when Microsoft does it, or perhaps enough of a fanboy to believe Sony wouldn't do the same given the opportunity?

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Thing is, I personally DO think this could backfire on MS seeing as how the PS3 is still on SE's mind when making the game
Which doesn't mean much.

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Except they're not going to gain a lot of ground on that, regardless. That's not "backfiring." That's business as usual. And the PS3 is still enough behind that it will take the remainder of the generation just to catch up in overall sales, assuming Sony can maintain their current lead.

They'll be losing with a game they wouldn't have otherwise had in an already lost market. That isn't backfiring, because it's still better than not having it in the first place. Some sales>no sales.

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and it could be a chance for Sony could say "this is WHY multiplat titles are better on our system" by slamming even the tinniest reason why the 360 version may not be as good.
So this will backfire because the game might not be as good, leading Sony to market better. Good reasoning.

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This is a good chance for them.
Interesting spin. Losing an exclusive is a good chance for them.
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Except they're not going to gain a lot of ground on that, regardless. That's not "backfiring." That's business as usual. And the PS3 is still enough behind that it will take the remainder of the generation just to catch up in overall sales, assuming Sony can maintain their current lead.
And YOU'RE not a fanboy? Seriously, dude, you're reaching for things to defend your favorite system, and then you reach for things to say against an opinion you don't like, and do whatever they can to make sure they stay quiet. Sounds like someone is insecure. Search for 2008 NPD sales on Google. I'm sure you'll find that the system you seem to be such in a hurry to defend might not be sitting so pretty.

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So this will backfire because the game might not be as good, leading Sony to market better. Good reasoning.
Although that is not what I said. I said that the PS3 version, for all we know, might be alright but the 360 version might play like shit. That may not be what eventually happens, but it could or it couldn't.

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Interesting spin. Losing an exclusive is a good chance for them.
I said it might not be AS bad as people may think (read: I'm not becoming enraged. PLEASE read my post again instead of constantly going back to that retard argument as if that gets you off).
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And YOU'RE not a fanboy? Seriously, dude, you're reaching for things to defend your favorite system, and then you reach for things to say against an opinion you don't like, and do whatever they can to make sure they stay quiet. Sounds like someone is insecure. Search for 2008 NPD sales on Google. I'm sure you'll find that the system you seem to be such in a hurry to defend might not be sitting so pretty.
In the month Shenmue came out, the DC out sold the PS2 for a couple of weeks. They need to do it consistantly. If I was Sony right now, I'd relase a 1st party stupidly hyped game every 1-2 months instead of saving them all for the holidays, eat into MS's advantage over them in user base[/quote]


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Although that is not what I said. I said that the PS3 version, for all we know, might be alright but the 360 version might play like shit. That may not be what eventually happens, but it could or it couldn't.
And for all we know, the 360 one could play better than the PS3 one. Until you have it in your hands, whats the point in baseless speculation like that?
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In the month Shenmue came out, the DC out sold the PS2 for a couple of weeks. They need to do it consistantly. If I was Sony right now, I'd relase a 1st party stupidly hyped game every 1-2 months instead of saving them all for the holidays, eat into MS's advantage over them in user base

To be fair, the PS3's outsold the 360 for the past several months. But it's still not enough to call them a winner. Especially since a lot of the "gain" that the PS3 has made is based instead on the 360 slowing down in sales. To use a Wrestling Forum analogy, it's not so much that TNA is gaining on WWE; rather, it's that WWE's been losing ratings. Though this analogy doesn't always hold true, it's regularly apt.

Crunching the numbers, it'll take a couple of years minimum for Sony to catch up, and that's if the PS3 continues to outsell, rather than also suffering from the same sort of decline. This is unlikely, and requires that Sony buck the odds, logic that would certainly defy any real sense of the word. It also assumes Microsoft does nothing to counter such a sale's lag. This, too, is horribly unlikely.

I'd also throw out that one of the major draws of the PS3 is the BD Drive. Before any accusations of fanboyism come out, this is something Sony said themselves, something they marketed the system on. Currently, the PS3 is still the best BD Player on the market and the highest rated, but that won't continue for long. BD Players are being release at a cheaper price with faster drives, and comparable features are quickly becoming available. Well, except that they won't play this MGS 4 movie that's all the rage. And that has less to do with fanboyism and more to do wit Kojima's shitty storytelling, something that dates back to MGS on the only console I owned at the time.

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What else does he have to go on?
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And YOU'RE not a fanboy? Seriously, dude, you're reaching for things to defend your favorite system, and then you reach for things to say against an opinion you don't like, and do whatever they can to make sure they stay quiet. Sounds like someone is insecure. Search for 2008 NPD sales on Google. I'm sure you'll find that the system you seem to be such in a hurry to defend might not be sitting so pretty.
Yes. The PS3 is winning on a monthly basis. That doesn't mean they're not still far behind. In fact, that's what I was saying. But you were too busy with your fanboy tiff to realise that, or too stupid to notice that NDP sales (By the way, a faulty and incomplete measure) are talking about the monthlies. And if things stayed the same, they'd have to outsell the 360 by the current margin for longer than this generation will be around to catch up.

Yes, I'm not a fanboy, because I'm not stupid enough to try and ignore the facts to benefit one system. You are.

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Although that is not what I said. I said that the PS3 version, for all we know, might be alright but the 360 version might play like shit. That may not be what eventually happens, but it could or it couldn't.
Listed amidst your reasons for why this is a bad thing for Microsoft. Still irrational, illogical, and based on pointless speculation.
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I said it might not be AS bad as people may think (read: I'm not becoming enraged. PLEASE read my post again instead of constantly going back to that retard argument as if that gets you off).
You know, that would be a good comeback. But again, you used definitive terminology. Don't call my argument retarded because you didn't say what you claim you meant.
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You gotta see FF13 as a higher profile title, worth the means porting over to another console. 360 is pretty over when it comes to the US, so it was a logical conclusion. I wouldn't port a game to console in as few houses as Jap 360.
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You gotta see FF13 as a higher profile title, worth the means porting over to another console. 360 is pretty over when it comes to the US, so it was a logical conclusion. I wouldn't port a game to console in as few houses as Jap 360.
Yeah, but from what I've been hearing, MS is clearly trying to get their box going in Japan (this is one of the reasons they are trying to get so many JRPGs on their system right now). FF13 on their system over there would be a TREMENDOUS way to get people over there to look at their system as a viable option. But SE didn't give them that chance (wonder why).
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