MLB 2009 Season Thread - Page 13

**Loose Cannon** · 05-07-2009, 03:22 PM

But Somebody is probably not so happy right now............

**SammyG** · 05-07-2009, 03:31 PM

lol wtf is up with retarded betting people. Dodgers chances of making the playoffs drop from 71 percent to 66 percent, and now LA is expected to win 3 less games this year, and we are gonna end up with 95 wins. lol, come on people.

**Haze** · 05-07-2009, 03:35 PM

You lost a good chunk of your offense for 50 days. The odds changing should not really be a surprise.

**Skippord** · 05-07-2009, 03:47 PM

I'm gonna bet that the Dodgers start sucking soon from missing Manny in the locker room and whatnot

woo NL West may be winnable again for any team but the Dodgers

**SammyG** · 05-07-2009, 04:00 PM

... I would bet anything we still win the NL West.

**Adder** · 05-07-2009, 04:06 PM

Void his contract and release him.

**Adder** · 05-07-2009, 04:09 PM

Can't blame positive test on Manny being Manny

You have to be an idiot to flunk a drug test.

You have to be an even bigger idiot to flunk one at a time when baseball players are under greater scrutiny than ever.

Which brings us to Manny Ramirez.

As if there was any doubt, he is now the village idiot of baseball. Maybe the Dodgers can make a T-shirt out of that, replacing all of their "Mannywood" paraphernalia.

Alex Rodriguez tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs at a time when players were promised that the tests would remain confidential.

Ramirez was suspended by the commissioner at a time when players are subjected to the toughest drug-testing policy in professional sports.

Baseball will cite its 50-game suspension of Ramirez as proof of the program's legitimacy and efficiency, even if any cheater with half a brain still can use undetectable substances such as human growth hormone.

Do they make dunce caps in Dodger blue?

I don't want to hear Ramirez's excuse, which — according to the Los Angeles Times — will be that he tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs because of medication received from a doctor for personal medical issues.

It's one more lie on baseball's Mt. Everest of deceit. And even if it isn't — as his handlers and apologists surely will insist — his story is a crock.

Players know — they have been told over and over and over again — to clear any substances they are taking with trainers and/or Major League Baseball personnel.

In suspending Phillies reliever J.C. Romero, MLB ruled that players are responsible for ensuring that whatever supplements they take contain no banned substances. The same standard applies to medication.

So much for the Dodgers' storybook start, which includes a 13-game winning streak at home to start the season, the first in major-league history.

So much for Los Angeles' honeymoon with Ramirez, unless Dodgers fans are willing to ignore Manny's latest trespass, which will keep him out of the team's lineup until July 3.

Oh, and so much for Ramirez rushing to opt out of the second year of his two-year, $45 million contract with the Dodgers.

His agent, Scott Boras, will want him back on the open market, but there is no chance — none — that another team will match Ramirez's $20 million salary for 2010.

Yo, L.A.: Y'all just got played.

Please, no gloating in Boston, either. If Ramirez is knowingly taking PEDs, heaven knows when he started. Heaven knows which other Red Sox have taken them.

My teenage children are not even baseball fans, but they can tell you that it is only a surprise when a player is clean, not dirty.

Not that any players actually can be trusted, which is the greatest shame of this era — the branding of the innocent as guilty.

Step right up, Manny, to the Hall of Shame. You've got plenty of company — A-Rod, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens; Rafael Palmeiro, Gary Sheffield and Mark McGwire.

Your basic A-list, courtesy of the Steroid Era.

With, surely, more to come.

Short-term, the Dodgers will remain favorites to win the NL West, even though the substitution of Juan Pierre for Manny is one of the bigger offensive downgrades imaginable.

Manny will return before the All-Star break, just in time to mount a salary drive and ensure that the Dodgers stave off any of their meek NL West competitors who might threaten to challenge in his absence.

The bigger question is long-term.

For Manny. For the Dodgers. And yes, for the sport.

Ramirez, after repairing his reputation in Los Angeles, has blown any chance of securing the long-term contract he craves, and any chance of leaving a positive legacy.

The Dodgers, who drew widespread praise for holding Ramirez to a two-year deal, now must deal with an unnecessary distraction when he returns and uncomfortable questions for the rest of his tenure.

Baseball will survive, just as it has survived every other one of these public-relations nightmares. Fans, voting with their pocketbooks, accept that many players are juicers. The game's image problem, however, remains. The drug story will simply not go away.

Finally, there is the question of the Hall of Fame.

Ramirez, judging from his sheer numbers, is deserving. So is A-Rod. So is Clemens. So is Bonds. None is eligible until five years after he retires. But none probably would be elected if the vote were held today.

My gut instinct is no, no, a thousand times no. But the question is growing more nagging: How do you wipe out an entire era?

Maybe you don't. Maybe you acknowledge the greats of this age in some other fashion. Maybe you establish a cheaters' wing and be done with it.

Ramirez?

He gets his own wing. The idiot's wing.

Manny being Manny.

by Ken Rosenthal

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9...ny-being-Manny

**Jeritron** · 05-07-2009, 04:27 PM

Sammy, Manny has been in LA for a year. I love how you act like you're close to this

**Jeritron** · 05-07-2009, 04:29 PM

He's a goof, but he's not grotesquely stupid. I dunno what to make of all this just yet, but it's lame how you're talking him up like a hometown hero you've seen behave. Trust me, this guy is not subject to the typical human analysis.

**Jeritron** · 05-07-2009, 04:35 PM

Yea, Dodgers will probably still win the west. 50 games seems like a long time,and it is, but you have to look at the timing of it.
He'll be back on July 3rd. That's just when they'll really need him anyways.

But with Manny you never know whats going to happen. He could quit baseball, or show up to a game and run on the field, or shit on Joe Torre's lawn. There's just no telling. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 2 months, and how things go when he's back.
Now that the working relationship is a bit stressed in LA, he could react unfavorably. I'm sure the team isn't thrilled about this. Things could get ugly.

**Triple Naitch** · 05-07-2009, 06:14 PM

Manny Being Infertile

**SammyG** · 05-07-2009, 06:30 PM

Doubt things get ugly. He will return and everything will be fine.

**Jeritron** · 05-07-2009, 06:54 PM

Apparently you aren't familiar with Manny's antics. If conditions aren't perfect, he will be a handful. If the team starts losing at any point, or he gets talked down to by a coach/official, he won't be so happy anymore

**Dragon** · 05-07-2009, 11:27 PM

Wow.

Huge HR by Damon in the 8th to tie the game and then Mariano comes in and gives up two homeruns. Yankees are finding new ways to lose games lately.

**DaveWadding** · 05-08-2009, 12:07 AM

D'Backs set to axe Bob Melvin. Nice.

**Innovator** · 05-08-2009, 12:54 AM

CAN WE PLEASE WIN A GAME?!

**Innovator** · 05-08-2009, 12:54 AM

save_us.A-Rod

**YOUR Hero** · 05-08-2009, 01:19 AM

Buddy of mine who is a huge Manny fan once told me last year that "at least Manny isn't a juicer". Hmmm.

**OssMan** · 05-08-2009, 02:30 AM

Nationals takin it to the Dodgers lemme holler at that

**Jeritron** · 05-08-2009, 02:34 AM

Natinals

**SammyG** · 05-08-2009, 03:09 AM

Is Manny back yet?

**ClockShot** · 05-08-2009, 03:40 PM

Roughly 30 games into the season and we got our first causalty.

D-Backs manager Bob Melvin fired. VP of Player Development A.J. Hinch will replace him.

**DaveWadding** · 05-08-2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot

Roughly 30 games into the season and we got our first causalty.

D-Backs manager Bob Melvin fired. VP of Player Development A.J. Hinch will replace him.

Bob Melvin

YOU'RE FIIIIIREEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD

**Innovator** · 05-08-2009, 03:41 PM

Molina now to the 15 day DL, if there is a baseball corner I can huddle up and cry in, lemme know

**ClockShot** · 05-08-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator

Molina now to the 15 day DL, if there is a baseball corner I can huddle up and cry in, lemme know

Well A-Rod returns tonight at South Bronx if it any consolation.

**bigdaddysuperfreak** · 05-08-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot

Well A-Rod returns tonight at South Bronx if it any consolation.

And hits a 3run hr in his first at bat

**Innovator** · 05-08-2009, 08:12 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! A-ROD!

**Dragon** · 05-08-2009, 08:15 PM

Nice, first pitch he sees and gives the Yankees there first lead since last Saturday.

**parkmania** · 05-08-2009, 09:05 PM

Please get C.C. a win tonight. I REALLY need him to A) have a good outing and B) get some support from the bullpen and bats.

**ClockShot** · 05-08-2009, 10:40 PM

In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin.

"GIVE ME A HELL YEAH!"

**bigdaddysuperfreak** · 05-08-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot

In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin.

"GIVE ME A HELL YEAH!"

Hell Yeah! and congrats on your 8k post.

**YOUR Hero** · 05-09-2009, 11:07 AM

Come on Jays.

**Evil Vito** · 05-09-2009, 12:12 PM

Jerry Manuel suspended one game for bumping Bill Welke.

While I agree with the suspension...I'm frustrated it had to happen because the call Jerry was arguing was so blatantly bullshit. Shane Victorino was caught in a run down between Reyes and Delgado...and he went out of his way to shove Reyes...which caused the ump to call obstruction on Reyes even though he wasn't obstructing shit. Thankfully it didn't matter as the Mets won anyway.

Between this incident, his constant taunting of the Mets on the field, his clipping of infielders when he slides into second, and the fact that last year he stood flat-foot on home plate and double-pointed directly at the Mets dugout...I think Victorino has become the player I dislike the most.

Doesn't hurt his cause that Rollins has been shit this year and Chipper just has such a history against the Mets I just expect him to burn them at this point.

**GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND** · 05-09-2009, 03:04 PM

It really is too bad that the MLB is so racist that they can frame Ramirez for juicing, and everyone just allows them to sweep it under the rug because of his Dominican heritage, and his dreads.

Manny has done nothing wrong. If wanting to have a healthier love making experience with his companion is a crime, then we all should get punished.

This is bullshit.

**Evil Vito** · 05-09-2009, 04:31 PM

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/media/...78819&c_id=det

LOL @ announcer

**DaveWadding** · 05-10-2009, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/media/...78819&c_id=det

LOL @ announcer

LMAO @ Grady's "No Dad, don't kill my puppy!" face

**ClockShot** · 05-09-2009, 09:36 PM

Fucking Hughes. I've said it once, I'll say it again. The man's not ready for the big leagues yet.

**DaveWadding** · 05-10-2009, 02:21 AM

I hate the D'Backs BTW. How do you leave 16 guys on base and not score a fuckin run?

**OssMan** · 05-10-2009, 05:06 AM

Yeah I fucking hate Victorino so much. Hated him for the past like 3 years. No idea

RP · 05-10-2009, 11:23 AM

In my money league, the last place guy in the league offered me Jacoby Elsbury for John Lackey straight up. I have Felix Hernandez, John Danks, Matt Garza and some really decent relief pitching. I picked up Franklin from St. Louis really early. I got Houston Street and Carlos Marmol ( working on getting Gregg too ). I think my pitching is like 1 really nice starter from being dominant. My team is 4th in the league and my only true weak spot in the lineup right now is Lance Berkman. I dont really need an outfielder and i think Lackey will come back strong. so i'm not sure about this trade.

Lackey for Elsbury? What you think? My outfield is stacked. I got Adam Jones, Carlos Beltran and Curtis Granderson, with Corey Hart and Hunter Pence taking turns in my utility spot.

05-07-2009, 03:22 PM	#1
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	But Somebody is probably not so happy right now............

05-07-2009, 03:31 PM	#2
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	lol wtf is up with retarded betting people. Dodgers chances of making the playoffs drop from 71 percent to 66 percent, and now LA is expected to win 3 less games this year, and we are gonna end up with 95 wins. lol, come on people.

05-07-2009, 03:35 PM	#3
Haze Daddy's Home Posts: 2,967	You lost a good chunk of your offense for 50 days. The odds changing should not really be a surprise.

05-07-2009, 03:47 PM	#4
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	I'm gonna bet that the Dodgers start sucking soon from missing Manny in the locker room and whatnot woo NL West may be winnable again for any team but the Dodgers

05-07-2009, 04:00 PM	#5
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	... I would bet anything we still win the NL West.

05-07-2009, 04:06 PM	#6
Adder A.W.O.L. Posts: 5,862	Void his contract and release him.

05-07-2009, 04:09 PM	#7
Adder A.W.O.L. Posts: 5,862	Can't blame positive test on Manny being Manny You have to be an idiot to flunk a drug test. You have to be an even bigger idiot to flunk one at a time when baseball players are under greater scrutiny than ever. Which brings us to Manny Ramirez. As if there was any doubt, he is now the village idiot of baseball. Maybe the Dodgers can make a T-shirt out of that, replacing all of their "Mannywood" paraphernalia. Alex Rodriguez tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs at a time when players were promised that the tests would remain confidential. Ramirez was suspended by the commissioner at a time when players are subjected to the toughest drug-testing policy in professional sports. Baseball will cite its 50-game suspension of Ramirez as proof of the program's legitimacy and efficiency, even if any cheater with half a brain still can use undetectable substances such as human growth hormone. Do they make dunce caps in Dodger blue? I don't want to hear Ramirez's excuse, which — according to the Los Angeles Times — will be that he tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs because of medication received from a doctor for personal medical issues. It's one more lie on baseball's Mt. Everest of deceit. And even if it isn't — as his handlers and apologists surely will insist — his story is a crock. Players know — they have been told over and over and over again — to clear any substances they are taking with trainers and/or Major League Baseball personnel. In suspending Phillies reliever J.C. Romero, MLB ruled that players are responsible for ensuring that whatever supplements they take contain no banned substances. The same standard applies to medication. So much for the Dodgers' storybook start, which includes a 13-game winning streak at home to start the season, the first in major-league history. So much for Los Angeles' honeymoon with Ramirez, unless Dodgers fans are willing to ignore Manny's latest trespass, which will keep him out of the team's lineup until July 3. Oh, and so much for Ramirez rushing to opt out of the second year of his two-year, $45 million contract with the Dodgers. His agent, Scott Boras, will want him back on the open market, but there is no chance — none — that another team will match Ramirez's $20 million salary for 2010. Yo, L.A.: Y'all just got played. Please, no gloating in Boston, either. If Ramirez is knowingly taking PEDs, heaven knows when he started. Heaven knows which other Red Sox have taken them. My teenage children are not even baseball fans, but they can tell you that it is only a surprise when a player is clean, not dirty. Not that any players actually can be trusted, which is the greatest shame of this era — the branding of the innocent as guilty. Step right up, Manny, to the Hall of Shame. You've got plenty of company — A-Rod, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens; Rafael Palmeiro, Gary Sheffield and Mark McGwire. Your basic A-list, courtesy of the Steroid Era. With, surely, more to come. Short-term, the Dodgers will remain favorites to win the NL West, even though the substitution of Juan Pierre for Manny is one of the bigger offensive downgrades imaginable. Manny will return before the All-Star break, just in time to mount a salary drive and ensure that the Dodgers stave off any of their meek NL West competitors who might threaten to challenge in his absence. The bigger question is long-term. For Manny. For the Dodgers. And yes, for the sport. Ramirez, after repairing his reputation in Los Angeles, has blown any chance of securing the long-term contract he craves, and any chance of leaving a positive legacy. The Dodgers, who drew widespread praise for holding Ramirez to a two-year deal, now must deal with an unnecessary distraction when he returns and uncomfortable questions for the rest of his tenure. Baseball will survive, just as it has survived every other one of these public-relations nightmares. Fans, voting with their pocketbooks, accept that many players are juicers. The game's image problem, however, remains. The drug story will simply not go away. Finally, there is the question of the Hall of Fame. Ramirez, judging from his sheer numbers, is deserving. So is A-Rod. So is Clemens. So is Bonds. None is eligible until five years after he retires. But none probably would be elected if the vote were held today. My gut instinct is no, no, a thousand times no. But the question is growing more nagging: How do you wipe out an entire era? Maybe you don't. Maybe you acknowledge the greats of this age in some other fashion. Maybe you establish a cheaters' wing and be done with it. Ramirez? He gets his own wing. The idiot's wing. Manny being Manny. by Ken Rosenthal http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9...ny-being-Manny

05-07-2009, 04:27 PM	#8
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	Sammy, Manny has been in LA for a year. I love how you act like you're close to this

05-07-2009, 04:29 PM	#9
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	He's a goof, but he's not grotesquely stupid. I dunno what to make of all this just yet, but it's lame how you're talking him up like a hometown hero you've seen behave. Trust me, this guy is not subject to the typical human analysis.

05-07-2009, 04:35 PM	#10
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	Yea, Dodgers will probably still win the west. 50 games seems like a long time,and it is, but you have to look at the timing of it. He'll be back on July 3rd. That's just when they'll really need him anyways. But with Manny you never know whats going to happen. He could quit baseball, or show up to a game and run on the field, or shit on Joe Torre's lawn. There's just no telling. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 2 months, and how things go when he's back. Now that the working relationship is a bit stressed in LA, he could react unfavorably. I'm sure the team isn't thrilled about this. Things could get ugly.

05-07-2009, 06:14 PM	#11
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	Manny Being Infertile

05-07-2009, 06:30 PM	#12
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Doubt things get ugly. He will return and everything will be fine.

05-07-2009, 06:54 PM	#13
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	Apparently you aren't familiar with Manny's antics. If conditions aren't perfect, he will be a handful. If the team starts losing at any point, or he gets talked down to by a coach/official, he won't be so happy anymore

05-07-2009, 11:27 PM	#14
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Wow. Huge HR by Damon in the 8th to tie the game and then Mariano comes in and gives up two homeruns. Yankees are finding new ways to lose games lately.

05-08-2009, 12:07 AM	#15
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	D'Backs set to axe Bob Melvin. Nice.

05-08-2009, 12:54 AM	#16
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	CAN WE PLEASE WIN A GAME?!

05-08-2009, 01:19 AM	#18
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Buddy of mine who is a huge Manny fan once told me last year that "at least Manny isn't a juicer". Hmmm.

05-08-2009, 02:30 AM	#19
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,538	Nationals takin it to the Dodgers lemme holler at that

05-08-2009, 02:34 AM	#20
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	Natinals

05-08-2009, 03:09 AM	#21
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Is Manny back yet?

05-08-2009, 03:40 PM	#22
ClockShot TPWW Fire Pro Champ Posts: 34,001	Roughly 30 games into the season and we got our first causalty. D-Backs manager Bob Melvin fired. VP of Player Development A.J. Hinch will replace him.

05-08-2009, 03:41 PM	#24
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	Molina now to the 15 day DL, if there is a baseball corner I can huddle up and cry in, lemme know

05-08-2009, 08:12 PM	#27
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! A-ROD!

05-08-2009, 08:15 PM	#28
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Nice, first pitch he sees and gives the Yankees there first lead since last Saturday.

05-08-2009, 09:05 PM	#29
parkmania #BUCTOBER Posts: 6,461	Please get C.C. a win tonight. I REALLY need him to A) have a good outing and B) get some support from the bullpen and bats.

05-08-2009, 10:40 PM	#30
ClockShot TPWW Fire Pro Champ Posts: 34,001	In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin. "GIVE ME A HELL YEAH!"

05-09-2009, 11:07 AM	#32
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Come on Jays.

05-09-2009, 12:12 PM	#33
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Jerry Manuel suspended one game for bumping Bill Welke. While I agree with the suspension...I'm frustrated it had to happen because the call Jerry was arguing was so blatantly bullshit. Shane Victorino was caught in a run down between Reyes and Delgado...and he went out of his way to shove Reyes...which caused the ump to call obstruction on Reyes even though he wasn't obstructing shit. Thankfully it didn't matter as the Mets won anyway. Between this incident, his constant taunting of the Mets on the field, his clipping of infielders when he slides into second, and the fact that last year he stood flat-foot on home plate and double-pointed directly at the Mets dugout...I think Victorino has become the player I dislike the most. Doesn't hurt his cause that Rollins has been shit this year and Chipper just has such a history against the Mets I just expect him to burn them at this point.

05-09-2009, 03:04 PM	#34
GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND I'm over here now Posts: 1,406	It really is too bad that the MLB is so racist that they can frame Ramirez for juicing, and everyone just allows them to sweep it under the rug because of his Dominican heritage, and his dreads. Manny has done nothing wrong. If wanting to have a healthier love making experience with his companion is a crime, then we all should get punished. This is bullshit.

05-09-2009, 04:31 PM	#35
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/media/...78819&c_id=det LOL @ announcer

05-09-2009, 09:36 PM	#37
ClockShot TPWW Fire Pro Champ Posts: 34,001	Fucking Hughes. I've said it once, I'll say it again. The man's not ready for the big leagues yet.