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Old 12-09-2009, 10:57 AM   #481
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I honestly don't know who I'd rather have between Lackey and Holliday. Like I said in the beginning of the offseason, the need for a big bat and a #2 pitcher can be described as 1-A and 1-B, solid arguments either way as to what's more important.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:07 AM   #482
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I just think Damon has a lot more value because he can play LF when needed. With the amount of days Posada and A-Rod are presumably gonna need at DH this year I think it'd be huge to be able to play Damon in LF when those guys are DH'ing. With Matsui he's just gonna have to be benched when the DH spot is needed.

I wouldn't mind Matsui if Damon keeps asking for too much but Damon just seems like the far better bet to stay healthy and add some value by playing LF when needed.
I was thinking Damon was surely gone, but you are correct in saying that it does make a little more sense keeping him because of the defense.

But you are going to have to shake up the lineup. Maybe slotting in Damon @ 9 to give us good speed starting from there
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:40 AM   #483
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I honestly don't know who I'd rather have between Lackey and Holliday. Like I said in the beginning of the offseason, the need for a big bat and a #2 pitcher can be described as 1-A and 1-B, solid arguments either way as to what's more important.
Lackey. I always take pitching over offense. I think the Mets have plenty off good potential (key word) offense.
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Pettitte's back.

1-year, $11.75 mil.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:52 PM   #485
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Why not play Melkman in right, Damon in left, Swish can DH (Maybe platoon DH with a mid level bat) and they can all spell each other.
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I was thinking Damon was surely gone, but you are correct in saying that it does make a little more sense keeping him because of the defense.

But you are going to have to shake up the lineup. Maybe slotting in Damon @ 9 to give us good speed starting from there
If I put anyone 9 it would probably be Granderson. His OBP has fluctuated quite a bit the last couple years and I don't want him batting 2nd if he has an OBP in the .320s again.
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Why not play Melkman in right, Damon in left, Swish can DH (Maybe platoon DH with a mid level bat) and they can all spell each other.
If anything I think Damon would be the DH because he's the worst outfielder out of the bunch by pretty far.
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With Pettitte locked up the Yankees really shouldn't have much more to do.

Apparently Harden is willing to take a one year incentive laden deal so I would hope the Yankees look into him. If they signed him and Damon they would be done.

CC-AJ-Andy-Harden-Joba/Hughes (Hughes being on an innings limit it makes sense to have another starter)

Jeter (SS)
Damon (DH)
Tex (1B)
A-Rod (3B)
Posada (C)
Cano (2B)
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Granderson (CF)
Melky (LF)

The bottom of the lineup could really go in any order. When Posada DH's Damon goes to LF and Melky to the bench.
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Rich Harden signs with the Rangers. 1 year, $7.5 million plus a $11.5 million club option for 2011.

Marlins trade Matt Lindstrom to the Astros for 2 players to be named later
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Harden will probably be #1 starter now that the Rangers traded Kevin Milwood to the O's.

Mariners sign Corey Patterson to a minor league deal.
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Phillies and Angels in the lead to acquire Roy Halladay...it sounds like Roy is willing to waive his no-trade clause even to a West coast team...although he might not want to sign there long-term.

I will cry if the Phillies get him. Halladay AND Lee at the top of the rotation with that stacked lineup? Probably clinches them the division right there unless they pull a 2009 Mets and everybody gets injured.
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According to NESN's Red Sox Hot Stove episode today, Roy Halladay might not even be dealt any time soon since rumor is Yankees keep feining interest not so much in wanting him but to jack up the price on him so nobody gets him for a "cheap" deal. It was the same tactic they did this week when the Red Sox were thought to have him ready and then the deal fell flat.

Same episode had Cashman keep talking about Damon and Matsui in the past tense as in how many home runs and scoring potential Yankees will lose rather than if they were to lose him.
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Os got Millwood for Chris Ray.

Chris Ray wont ever be the same after his injury and trading him for a halfway decent starting pitcher is a pretty good deal. If they can get one more starter and bolster their bullpen I might feel good about the pitching. Too bad they have as many holes in their offense as swiss cheese (3B, 1B, DH) to address as well.
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So I guess the Tigers were trying to acquire Juan Pierre earlier today.

If they get him, I will cry
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Why? I'm really not afraid of the Angels much anymore. They will lose quite a few of their young guys to get Halladay and without Lackey or Chone Figgins I think the Yankees should be fine.
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Brandon Lyon to the Astros for 3 years, $15 million

Also a report that the Red Sox have sent 3B Mike Lowell to the Rangers in exchange for catching prospect Max Ramirez. The Sox are sending $9 million of the $12 million remaining on Lowell's deal...so they pretty much just purchased a top 100 prospect from the Rangers.
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Braves trade Rafael Soriano to the Rays for Jesse Chavez.

Blue Jays sign Joey Gathright.
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Rule 5 draft right now.

I'm thinking the Mets will probably take somebody, as they have an open spot on the 40-man roster so for a big market team it's a worthwhile chance.

Blew up in their face last year though. They got Darren O'Day, had to DFA him around 2 weeks into the season for a spot start from Nelson Figueroa...the Angels ddidn't want him back, and so he gets picked up by the Rangers and has a great year.
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Yanks are gonna pick Dodgers prospect Jamie Hoffman in the Rule 5. He's an outfielder.

I guess he'll fill the void now left by AJax.
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I guess he'll fill the void now left by AJax.
I dunno, he'd have to impress big time to stick with the 25-man roster all season...especially on a loaded team.
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So the Tigers are pursuing Juan Pierre and Scott Posednik. The only hold up is that the Dodgers want an eatings inning starter, and obviously Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis and Nate Robertson are none of those
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Yeah, smart move by LA. we need pitchers desperately now.
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Why? I'm really not afraid of the Angels much anymore. They will lose quite a few of their young guys to get Halladay and without Lackey or Chone Figgins I think the Yankees should be fine.
Yeah, I'm really not that worried if Halladay goes to the Angels. They're losing Figgins, Vlad, Lackey and presumably one of their other starters (Weaver, Santana, Saunders) if they get Halladay.
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Francesa just reported that before Meetings end at 3PM today the Mets are making an offer to Molina (as expected) and are also planning a "major" offer for Jason Bay.

I feel kinda leery about Bay, and I'm not entirely sure why. I'm sure he'll be cheaper than Holliday...but I don't think he will produce as much.

Also according to his "sources"...the Mets feel they will be able to compete for Roy Halladay, even if they do sign Bay.

Finally excited to see some life from Omar at the meetings, if nothing else.
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Just fantasizing a little here:

Reyes leading off, Castillo 2nd, Bay/Beltran/Wright in some order from 3-5, Francoeur OR Molina 6th, Murphy 7th to split the righty swing-and-miss guys, 8th for the other of Molina/Francoeur

Then a rotation of Santana followed up by Halladay or Lackey

Would be a fucking fantastic offseason...not gonna get my hopes up though
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Francesa just reported that before Meetings end at 3PM today the Mets are making an offer to Molina (as expected) and are also planning a "major" offer for Jason Bay.

I feel kinda leery about Bay, and I'm not entirely sure why. I'm sure he'll be cheaper than Holliday...but I don't think he will produce as much.

Also according to his "sources"...the Mets feel they will be able to compete for Roy Halladay, even if they do sign Bay.

Finally excited to see some life from Omar at the meetings, if nothing else.
Well Holliday is just the all around better player. Bay's defense is atrocious (been listening to Francesa too much when I keep saying atrocious). If I was the Mets I'd just go all in for Holliday. It seems like a lot of teams are scared by his demands but I think in the long run he'd be a much better investment than Bay. At least in the AL some team can hide Bay at DH in a couple years.
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According to fangraphs, the last two years Bay has had values of -13.0 and -18.4 on defense. Made up for it with values of around +33 on offense both years but in CitiField I'm sure those defensive numbers will get even worse.
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Yeah, think I'd definitely prefer Holliday if it the Mets' big offseason splash was going to be one of them along with midline starting pitchers. BUT that being said, if getting Bay is the only way to shore up the offense while assuring they'll still have a great chance at getting Halladay or Lackey, it's worth it.
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If it take says 5 years 80 mil to land Bay, and then if the market comes down and lowers the price of Lackey and he can be hand for 75-80 mil, having those 2 and spending a total of 160 mil as opposed to spending maybe 110 on Holliday for 6-7 years, and settling for Jason Marquis as your #2 then Bay and Lackey are clearly the better option.
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I mean don't get me wrong, I believe Holliday is a more well rounded player, but you do have to wonder what he would be like in NY and in Citi. Bay has proven he can play in a pressure cooker like Boston so the transfer to NY shouldn't be that much of a problem. Also take in Holliday is a more gap oriented hitter whos power is to right center, which is hell for the met player in this stadium *see David Wright* Where as Bay is a raw power type hitter who favors hitting more down the line and that plays into the mets and his advantage at Citi.

But the key here is still pitching. If we land Molina and Bay thats great, but we should still push hard in the Lackey market, because as good as the offense may look with those 2 in it, the name of the game is pitching. Outside of Santana (coming off elbow surgery) we have nothing to be satisfied with.
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According to fangraphs, the last two years Bay has had values of -13.0 and -18.4 on defense. Made up for it with values of around +33 on offense both years but in CitiField I'm sure those defensive numbers will get even worse.
Was the Green Monster in Fenway factored into the -5 drop in the 2nd year since that tends to mess around with certain plays based on where the ball hits the wall.
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Ughhhhhh Tom Verducci says the Phillies are officially the favorites to get Halladay, and are doing everything they can, including asking other teams to jump in on a deal to get players the Blue Jays might want. Says he'd be surprised to not see a deal done.

Like I said earlier...if they get Halladay, I can't help but feel like they would have to try really hard to NOT win the division. I can't see everybody there having a down year, so I'd have to hope for injuries. Come on, somebody else step up the offer please.
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Oh yeah, and the general consensus is that the Mets' offer to Jason Bay...4 years, $65 million, barely more than what the Red Sox offered...was a posturing move to show the fans that they are trying. Not coincidentally, the offer comes after it is reported that season ticket sales are coming in far more slowly this year.

At least this year is win-win...either win on the field, or Omar is canned.
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Damn, it got quiet after the meetings.

Anyway, J.J. Putz signs with the White Sox. 1-year, $3 mil.
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