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Old 06-13-2010, 07:07 PM   #521
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It's politics. Opponents will try and skew anything to negatively affect the opposition. They could probably construe that image of Danielson choking Roberts as 'Linda McMahon finds vicious choking as acceptable entertainment for a PG audience including our children' or some balls. If there's a chance that one person will be offended by something, they're probably going to try and overcompensate for it. Which they appear to have done.
Yes, but a fine or a supsension really accomplishes the same thing. I feel as though they overracted, and probably responded to the fear of this having an effect on the campaign that it likely won't.
At this point, anyone who sees a choking on WWE is just going to look past it as business as usual.
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His firing was definitely because of the choke...however, I wonder how much the "Benoit Protocol" really had to do with it, or if it was just a reporter making shit up. I do buy there being a rule against chokes with weapons, however I find it hard to believe they'd take it really seriously unless it was completely unnecessary. To me, it added to the angle big time. But, every other weapon choke in recent memory has been within the confines of a match and therefore likely planned ahead of time.

Meh, whatever. There is just wayyyyyyy too much going on here. At least WWE seem to want him back, so heads will be kicked in in due time.
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I realize they are protecting their interests, but the claim that Vince had no choice is dealing in polar absolutes. The interests are also fairly ridiculous in the first place.
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I think it's also fairly ridiculous that just because fans are disgusted with the possibility of this being true, that it's construed as the IWC being unreasonable.
Of course, the IWC is tremendously unreasonable, but I don't think finding this ridiculous is an instance where they should be considered as such.
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I think it's also fairly ridiculous that just because fans are disgusted with the possibility of this being true, that it's construed as the IWC being unreasonable.
Of course, the IWC is tremendously unreasonable, but I don't think finding this ridiculous is an instance where they should be considered as such.
Exactly.
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I realize they are protecting their interests, but the claim that Vince had no choice is dealing in polar absolutes. The interests are also fairly ridiculous in the first place.
Remember when everyone found out the "Higher Power" that Undertaker was following orders from was really Vince McMahon?
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Remember when everyone found out the "Higher Power" that Undertaker was following orders from was really Vince McMahon?
Don't you mean "Hover" Power? Can't find that classic video though..
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All from Cena's Twitter (http://twitter.com/WWEJCena ), posted in chronological order:

I am very upset to hear about the release of bryan danielson. Social networks were formed so people would have a voice, and an opinon. I

Know you all have your own, theories and whatnot. I respect that. I have never asked any of you to feel a certaint way about me. But

Bryan left a lasting impression on the wwe universe in a very short time, and although it came at my expense, I agree with the majority

Of you who are caught off guard by this choice.

I know I'm not exactly appreciated by all, nor do I care to be, but I believe what I believe. I would like bryan to come back to the wwe.

I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I beileve in. I tried and failed, so I could

Use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done

I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does

Belong with us. Sorry for the long message, I know I am probally way out of line, I am sorry if I have offended anyone. But like me or not

That is what Hustle. Loyalty. And most importantly Respect means to me. Enjoy game 5.
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There seems more to this now. Why would Cena do this. Surely he understands whatever has been said. Unless fuck all has. POWER STRUGGGLLLEEEE IN THE BACK.
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Maybe that's the bigger issue backstage. Cena's starting to act out against WWE decisions.
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Good. Maybe he has some voice back there.
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Maybe that's the bigger issue backstage. Cena's starting to act out against WWE decisions.
lol no chance. He doesn't have to since he seems to be one of the few guys with anything resembling stroke amongst 'the boys'.
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@WWEJCena I really dont like you. I utterly cant stand you, but I'll sign the petition. Im glad to see this time its not your fault.

@Cubfan2240 thanks

@WWEJCena Burying and lobbying to fire future talent isnt the way to build a strong future. And fyi, Im a huge Anderson mark.


WHY THE FUCK IS THAT GUY FOLLOWING HIM THEN????
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They could turn this into quite the angle. Cena could lobby to get Danielson back because he wants a match with him for what he did to him. Eventually, Bryan Danielson returns, and kicks Cena's head in randomly one night. Danielson says that Cena didn't really want him back -- and that it's people like him being threatened that he was fired in the first place.

I'm not trying to sound like a total smark, but given how intense The Network decimating Cena was -- a potential Cena vs. Danielson match could perhaps even be built up for WrestleMania next year.

That if this isn't all a work.
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I wonder how the lockeroom feels about this all. Sure, plenty of guys may not take the leap of speaking out, but some may.
If that's real, Cena just did, even if it's not behind closed doors. Cena is Cena. That will get to Vince.
Do you really think The Undertaker is going to bite his tongue if he doesn't like this?

I would hope Vince and the powers that be have some heat on them from the boys for something this ridiculous, if the current reports are true.
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I wonder how Shawn is reacting, and if he's getting in Hunter's ear. I'm sure he has something invested in Danielson.
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That Cena twit/tweet/whatever seemed to be very much in character, which judging by other posts from him like praising CM Punk for sticking around during the beatdown etc, he does quite often.
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The thing is, even business-wise this is not really great for the WWE. The last time we see Daniel Bryan, he tells John Cena he's not better than him, spits in his face, and kicks him in the fucking head. Then he's a free agent? Bryan Danielson is literally too bad-ass for the WWE, if this is the case.
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I'd just like to point something out in regards to the mystical ''Benoit chocking protocol''.

In Smackdown VS Raw 2007 (Which Benoit was in), it was possible to drag your opponent to the announcers table, you would then take off the cover, tear out the 2 tvs, and then choke your opponent with the power cord. In 2008 after the incident, this was taken out of the game.

Just figured I would point that out.
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Cena always tweets in character, but that being said...I have a feeling that if he didn't care one way or another if Danielson was there, he wouldn't have said anything. Or he would have done a generic "I'm gonna get that Wade Barrett!!!" tweet, or something.

If nothing else, I'm glad to see pretty much everybody in the company respected him, and realized that he was a useful addition to the roster. Vince didn't want to release him, Cena seems to want him back, he seemed cool with just about everyone, etc. He'll be back. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I beileve in. I tried and failed, so I could

Use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done
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That part strikes me as very interesting. If this is true, it sounds like Cena went to bat for Danielson in the back, and didn't have enough pull to keep him.
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Why would they even say that you can't choke someone with a cord but let wrestlers do the Crippler Crossface?
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Wasn't HBK the only one that used the crossface though?

Also the boys in the back should be on Danielson's side. Pretty much anyone(not everyone) of them could be in the same situation.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:41 PM   #548
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Cena sounded like he was voicing his own opinion but then decided he needed to stay in character at some point, hence the crap about having a match.

There are just wayyyyyy too many small pieces that have to fall in the right place for this to be a work. It would be so ridiculously elaborate and, again, this is Bryan Danielson. It just...doesn't feel like something WWE would do.

I think that if I copied and pasted everything I've posted in this thread about the incident into a Word document, it'd prolly be around 10 pages or so at least they got me talking
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3348. Chris Benoit The Rabid Wolverine knows how it feels to be rejected because WWE doesn't recognize me at ALL anymore! THAT MAKES ME ANGRY!!! Speaking of which, I need someone else to suffocate with a pillow. It's getting awful boring down here in hell.

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