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Old 11-28-2012, 04:42 PM   #521
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David Freese is superior to Wright in every way right now.

He isnt going to make 140 million. And if he did people would laugh at it. Its team and market that created this David Wright monster.
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Market is a big deal when it comes to a players exposure and fans perception of him. For example, National League Edgar Renteria vs. Boston savior-turned-immediate goat Edgar Renteria. A good player with a resume has a subpar year in a major market that becomes a huge story and they release him. He later becomes an All-Star in Atlanta and becomes 2010 World Series MVP.
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Andy Pettitte is offically back with the Yankees. 1-year, $12 mil. Eli Whiteside got DFA'd to make room.

Braves sign B.J. Upton. 5-year deal, dollar amount hasn't been disclosed yet.

Mariners offically release Chone Figgins today.

Angels sign Ryan Madson. 1-year, $3.5 mil.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:33 PM   #524
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Freese
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Both are 29. How is Freese better here? Youre entitled to have your opinion, Hanso. But you're offered zero proof to back up your statements.

Clubhouse Confidential is breaking Wright down beautifully right now.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:41 PM   #525
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It really is bizarre to consider that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa will be shut out but Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Morris will go in over them. They were all excellent players, but watching baseball from the early nineties through mid-2000's you had a sense that Bonds and Clemens were the best position player and pitcher since at least 1970. But the others (insofar as we know) did it the "right" way.
I think out of all the juicers or supposed juicers, Bonds would have the best shot although after getting "punished" for a few years by the voters.

His stats and career before the supposed juicing years (2000-2002?) was already Hall of Fame potential and most believe his juicing was due to jealousy from all the attention McGwire and Sosa got from their HR race.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:47 PM   #526
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Bonds, imo, was a legit HOF'r before the juice. He was a 5 tool player in his pre juice days.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:00 PM   #528
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Braves sign BJ Upton. 5 years, somewhere between $70-75 million. Official details not out yet.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:19 PM   #530
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:23 PM   #531
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Angels sign Ryan Madson. 1-year, $3.5 mil.

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Old 11-28-2012, 06:25 PM   #532
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Braves sign BJ Upton. 5 years, somewhere between $70-75 million. Official details not out yet.
So where does Bourn go now?
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:34 PM   #533
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I'm going to say Philly. I know the Nats are interested in Bourne, but I don't think they're going to get into a bidding war and the Phillies are in need of some upgrades.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:48 PM   #534
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He had Tommy John surgery. That was the factor.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:50 PM   #535
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Royals are "calling everyone" to try find takers for Bruce Chen and Luke Hochevar. I guess Dayton Moore wants rotation help now and is trying to free up cash.

Any *coughsuckerscough* takers? Anyone?
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:06 PM   #536
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This is what happens when you give.contacts to mediocre players. The contract that's hurting them is the Francouer deal. That guy sucks.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:44 PM   #537
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Freese
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Wright
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.301/.381/.506-career

Both are 29. How is Freese better here? Youre entitled to have your opinion, Hanso. But you're offered zero proof to back up your statements.

Clubhouse Confidential is breaking Wright down beautifully right now.
Are those the only stats that matter friend? Why don't you post the other important stats that freeze wins in.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:22 PM   #538
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Those three stats are the most telling of any offensive numbers. What's there to argue? Wright collects base his at higher percentage, makes less outs, and hits for far more power. To say Freese is better "in every way" is an asinine statement based solely on an uninformed opinion rather than fact.

Why don't you post "more important" stats. I'm not the one pulling claims out of my ass without bothering to do a little research. And before you do, don't even bother throwing RBI at me. Context dependant stat that cannot be influenced by the hitter himself.
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David Freese wills his teammates to get on base in front of him. David Wright cant do that because the Mets suck.
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ballot

Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell32156.0%2
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez20936.5%3
Don Mattingly10217.8%12
Fred McGriff13723.9%3
Mark McGwire11219.5%6
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris38266.7%13
Dale Murphy8314.5%14
Rafael Palmeiro7212.6%2
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines27948.7%5
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith29050.6%10
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell21136.8%11
Larry Walker13122.9%2
Todd Walker
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams559.6%1
Woody Williams
Note: 75% required for enshrinement.
Results announced Jan. 9, 2013.



Here's the ballot for this year's Hall of Fame voting. As stated on the bottom you need 75% of the vote to get in. But you also got 15 years/tries to get in. Dale Murphy and Jack Morris' time is running out, I think they might make it in on this.

Any other thoughts?
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:12 AM   #546
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No way Dale Murphy goes from 15 to 75 percent.
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I know DH's are frowned upon by purists, but Paul Molitor is in and because of that I am all in for Edgar Martinez to get in, porbably not for a few years, but he was one of the greatest hitters I've ever seen. He was Griffey and A-Rod's protection, and an RBI machine.
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Edgar was a monster. It should be noted he was held down in the minors longer than he should have been.

How Fred McGriff isn't in yet is mind boggling. One of the best first baseman in his era. Just shy of 500 homeruns. If Bagwell gets in, Crime Dog should, too.
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MLBTR is reporting the Royals and Mets have discussed RA Dickey. If Myers is involved, I doubt we don't Sandy and co don't pull the trigger.
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Royals right now are saying they won't trade Salvador Perez or Wil Myers (backtracking on what was reported last week). But it's probably just posturing.

I'd hate to trade Dickey, but Myers is too good to pass up.
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Yankees will offer Hughes and a Jeter gift basket for Dickey
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If the Mets include somebody, I don't know who, and maybe take on a crappy contract/player (Francouer, Hochevar, Chen, etc.), and throw money the Royals' way, the deal could get done. The Mets have the leverage here because the Royals have been painted as desperate.
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Wright/Dickey for Myers, Perez, Moustakas and Odorizzi
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Royals are "calling everyone" to try find takers for Bruce Chen and Luke Hochevar. I guess Dayton Moore wants rotation help now and is trying to free up cash.

Any *coughsuckerscough* takers? Anyone?

Good. Send Chen to the National League. Guy was a Tiger Killer this season
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Twins trade OF Denard Span to the Nationals for RHP Alex Meyer.
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If the Mets include somebody, I don't know who, and maybe take on a crappy contract/player (Francouer, Hochevar, Chen, etc.), and throw money the Royals' way, the deal could get done. The Mets have the leverage here because the Royals have been painted as desperate.
I could deal with taking on Chen for a year. Only making $4.5 million this year, still less than what Dickey is making. Johan-Harvey-Niese-Chen-Gee is a pretty good rotation. A step down from Dickey-Johan-Harvey-Niese-Gee, but still pretty good. Not to mention Zack Wheeler probably up at some point during the summer.

But Myers is exactly the kind of player the Mets should be jumping at. Young, under team control for 6 years at a low salary, and 30 HR potential.

I have my doubts the Royals end up pulling the trigger. Getting rid of Myers would be stupid.
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Speaking of the Mets and young players, what ever happened to Fernando Martinez? He was supposed to be the shit before he face planted in CF. come to think of it Lastings Milledge was supposed to be the shit too.
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Mariano is back with the Yankees. 1-year, $10 mil.

I'm happy. Cashman gettin' it done this week.
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