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Old 02-11-2013, 11:09 PM   #521
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Yes it does. It means you can take advantage of how bankable he is by having him in a match while not putting him in a huge title match at WrestleMania because he's a fuck up and could ruin shit in an instant.
the WHC match will probably roughly 4th in terms of "importance" of Mania matches. I also enjoy this notion that he's a "fuck up" via 2 suspensions in nearly 7 years
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:09 PM   #522
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I expected Punk to grab the belt and run.
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That story would have been better if Norm MacDonald had told it.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #524
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #525
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #526
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #527
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Best feud in years like I said. Gets better and better.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #528
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I expected Punk to grab the belt and run.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:11 PM   #530
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:11 PM   #532
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The Rock has made CM Punk look more credible and better than anyone else has, not even Cena made Punk this legit.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:12 PM   #534
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That was an alright Raw. Thought the Taker appearance went on a little too long for my liking though.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:20 PM   #536
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the WHC match will probably roughly 4th in terms of "importance" of Mania matches. I also enjoy this notion that he's a "fuck up" via 2 suspensions in nearly 7 years
Forgot that he didn't end up getting suspended for being on that list of guys who were ordering steroids online or whatever.

And one of the suspensions was not for drugs.

But two were.

Yeah, he's a fuck up.
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Meanwhile, like I said, there is absolutely no reason Jericho can't win the Elimination Chamber now that Ziggler isn't in it. It could EASILY be setting up Ziggler cashing in and Jericho winning the chamber to build a WrestleMania match between the two.

I'd put my money on that or Henry vs ADR.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:22 PM   #538
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Forgot that he didn't end up getting suspended for being on that list of guys who were ordering steroids online or whatever.

And one of the suspensions was not for drugs.

But two were.

Yeah, he's a fuck up.
in relation to the early drug suspension and the online stuff, if you want to call every wrestler that's ever taken some variety of steroid or growth hormone then the entire industry is pretty much one big fuck up. And do you even know what his latest suspension was for? The guy has been widely acknowledged by the most powerful people in the company as having completely turned his shit around since his "idiot" days when his first suspensions came about as well as having a spotless track record in the 6 years between his previous suspension and the last one. But do your thing mane
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Meanwhile, like I said, there is absolutely no reason Jericho can't win the Elimination Chamber now that Ziggler isn't in it. It could EASILY be setting up Ziggler cashing in and Jericho winning the chamber to build a WrestleMania match between the two.

I'd put my money on that or Henry vs ADR.
and I'd put my money on Orton. Possibly against Ziggler.
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I'd put my money on that or Henry vs ADR.
Could also be Swagger vs Del Rio, with this new gimmick Swagger showed signs of tonight.
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went from not caring at all about Swagger to being really quite interested in the space of that one match/promo tonight, probably a bit too early/no momentum for the chamber tho
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And do you even know what his latest suspension was for?
Yes. It was for his second wellness violation. And one more would lead to him being immediately terminated. You can say what you want about how "people say he's cleaned up his act..." but the fact that he JUST failed 9 months ago is PROBABLY a pretty good reason why they've steered him clear of the title picture, instead using him to make guys who are in the title picture look good, and will probably continue to do so.

Congrats to him for "the most powerful people in the company" acknowledging that he turned his shit around for 6 years. Pretty sure "the most powerful people in the company" are the ones who suspended him last year for fucking up again and have kept him out of the title picture since... so... ya know... let's not act like "the most powerful people in the company" are very high on him at the moment.
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Could also be Swagger vs Del Rio, with this new gimmick Swagger showed signs of tonight.
That's a possibility too. If they're going for a challenger to Del Rio though, it seems like Henry's being groomed more for that spot at the moment.
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Yes. It was for his second wellness violation. And one more would lead to him being immediately terminated. You can say what you want about how "people say he's cleaned up his act..." but the fact that he JUST failed 9 months ago is PROBABLY a pretty good reason why they've steered him clear of the title picture, instead using him to make guys who are in the title picture look good, and will probably continue to do so.

Congrats to him for "the most powerful people in the company" acknowledging that he turned his shit around for 6 years. Pretty sure "the most powerful people in the company" are the ones who suspended him last year for fucking up again and have kept him out of the title picture since... so... ya know...
yes, and given how sensitive WWE are nowadays in terms of the spotlight and PR and so forth because of things like the TV-PG related sponsors, the family image they've tried to attain and the going all out as a global brand, that even something like a false positive or a tainted supplement can lead to you failing a wellness test and they don't get reversed or overturned for the sake of the integrity of the policy/company.

Both titles have been "wrapped up" with long term champions the entire time he's been back until recently so that's simply not true, this is really the first chance he's had to get near the secondary belt. And you make it sound like the policy goes something along the lines of "Vince or Triple H get the test results, see who's failed, make a phone call and bin them for 30/60 days". It's an automatic thing, their hands are tied no matter what the reason for the failed test, they couldn't do anything about it even if they wanted to without pretty much destroying the entire policy.
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If the way the wellness policy is carried out is as flawed as you claim it is (I've never heard specific examples of people being wrongfully suspended while WWE's hands are tied but regardless...) then that would suck. They'd still be in the same issue of putting a lot of stock in a guy's hands who is on a thin rope.

He's definitely been used to make the current challenger/s look good at the time. Jobbing cleanly no less. He's definitely been specifically used for his star power since coming back. ADR even made him tap out clean while he was challenging for the title.

And I want Orton to be in the title picture. I think the guy is ridiculously valuable. He's got that "built in" overness and "it factor" now that they try and fail to FORCE on guys to get them over. I just think the company doesn't want to put him in a position where they could be left scrambling so easily. Especially when there are so many "safer" options that could do a great job in that spot.
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