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Old 08-19-2013, 08:49 AM   #1
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If I could change one thing I would have had Bryan get screwed before he even got to tough the title, as soon as he wins have Cena carried off, Ortons Music hits, do the screw Job all before DB ever gets to touch the belt.
Ugh, why? The whole point of a screwjob is to piss off the fans. What worse way than to "taint" someone like Bryan's first ever title run? If he simply "didn't win it" and was still chasing it, that would just be a complete half-measure and not really a screwjob at all. Give him that TASTE and then snatch it away, that is 100x more painful than "almost getting it".

Love how all the internet fans are the marks right now. Brilliant booking, WWE
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:14 AM   #2
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Ugh, why? The whole point of a screwjob is to piss off the fans. What worse way than to "taint" someone like Bryan's first ever title run? If he simply "didn't win it" and was still chasing it, that would just be a complete half-measure and not really a screwjob at all. Give him that TASTE and then snatch it away, that is 100x more painful than "almost getting it".

Love how all the internet fans are the marks right now. Brilliant booking, WWE
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Sorry I meant "touch"

Meaning he wins the match but before he even gets to enjoy holding the title he gets screwed, I also liked the way they did it today but I think it would turn up the emotion if it was snatched away before he got to hold it.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:42 AM   #3
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i loved the fact that they let it sink in. i almost felt like they were going to go off the air with the clean bryan victory. very well timed.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #4
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I think the way they did it was better. Having him never touch the title doesn't make him losing it have nearly as much of an impact. In that scenario, I could 100% see them on Raw playing up the angle of "I never touched the title so I don't consider myself a former champion", and keeping the "chase" alive. Which is all fine and well but it feels like a cop-out and doesn't give the Orton swerve the gravity it deserves IMO
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Would've been great if Triple H pedigreed Orton as well and then decided to go after the belt himself.
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Yeah just what we need, more Triple H in the main event scene [/forget which tard(s) I'm mocking]
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:44 AM   #7
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I was kinda shocked when Bryan won when he did because I fully expected Vince to come down sometime before the finish.
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i like that he didn't. let hhh fully assume the position of power. i'm sure it will be 100% vince approved and backed on RAW tonight, but i really hope hhh plays the vince to bryan's stone cold, so to speak.
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I'm glad too, in the whole aspect of things it wasn't needed. I just remember telling my wife that we wouldn't get a finish before seeing Vince or Orton.
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The real story here is that Triple H was so livid at how Punk and Lesnar had the crowd completely throughout the match, it drove him to the dark side.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:57 AM   #12
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Watched it last night, it was a good show if not great. I'm not going to bitch about the ending per se but just say that if its the 2nd biggest PPV of the year you ought to let it go out on a fairly good note. Rather, it was predictable and drab. The chase ought to be fun but I will withhold judgment until it gets into full swing. My complaints rest not with results or story lines but with the predictability of the current product.

People are crowded around their TV's to see what happens on Breaking Bad, Dexter or, formerly, the Sopranos. People line up around the block to see big time movies because they are brought in by trailers, word on the street or favorable reviews that do not give away the plot and/or ending. It's a journey so to speak. The WWE at this point is too safe and cautious with their creative direction and thus makes a very flat presentation with rarely any real emotions that make one feel like they "must watch." 90% of the people on these boards called for an Orton cash in. They knew it was coming. When the WWE begins to become more creative, imaginative and takes more risk I believe people will be happier with it. As it is now its cool, but it could be much better.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:11 AM   #13
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So which is it? The PPV "ends on a good note", or "they're playing it too safe" ? It sounds like you are asking them to have their cake and eat it too.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:13 AM   #14
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Probably, but if everyone is thinking Orton is going to cash it, let Bryan get his moment and do the cash in tomorrow night on RAW. Swerve for swervings sake is stupid, and I don't want to be an IWC hater or even Noid but something's just seem to make more sense in my head.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:15 AM   #15
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Don't even know what point I'm trying to make anymore. Liked the PPV, but everything was predictable in some capacity. That's all. Just want something that makes me want to watch and not sit there saying "x will happen" a minute before it happens.
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I dint see how having two of the biggest faces turning heel is playing it safe, just because a bunch of people thought it could happen.

People would be saying "Orton's going to cash in at this ppv" for every ppv until he did, bound to be right eventually. Same with all the mitb cash ins. A bunch of people predict it happening every ppv, they're going to be right and it will be the "obvious" thing eventually.

It was the same with one of Jericho's returns at some point. Every single week people were predicting his return. Guess it was obvious booking and playing it safe when he finally did return.
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I say you give the people who paid money for the PPV the added bonus of the swerve.
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I say you give the people who paid money for the PPV the added bonus of the swerve.
A swerve isn't always a good thing, though.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:21 AM   #19
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Who knows, this could end up being an awesome angle, and that's why I'm going to reserve judgment. But it just seemed last night to be paint by numbers, especially when the same thing happened only 2 years ago on the same PPV.
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Wonder what side panels Orton will have.....Viper faces?
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It doesn't matter that Bryan lost the title right away, he beat John Cena for it at one of the big 4 PPVs and he did it CLEAN. That's pretty huge.
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Just re-watched the cash-in. Love the way Orton calmly tells H that "I want to cash in my contract" with a smirk.

Just can't wait for H to say Orton is the champion (we) or (I) want.
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I should feel the way I did last night after every pay per view. The end was completely intense and awesome. SWERVE. Luscious Lou and I kept saying, "Triple H hasn't left the ring, something's going down" when Bryan was celebrating.
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I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.
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I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.
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I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.
Luscious and I had this same discussion. It was a bummer that it came at the expense of Daniel Bryan, but swerves are always good nowadays with the over-production and always damn near if not straight up announcing what's going to happen or who's coming out.

I have a hard time not being a Triple H mark after all these years despite his appetite for the spotlight. And I know your distaste for Orton. I hope they don't fuck it up, because this could be an awesome chase with an awesome payoff for Bryan. People always seem to get behind a guy while he's chasing, more than when he's defending. We'll see how it goes.

Do you think you would feel differently if the ending were the same, but did not involve Triple H or Randy Orton?
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Doesnt Randy Orton have 2 wellness strikes also?
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I think any judgement about where things go from here should at least wait until after Raw.
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I guess the main thing I hate is that Triple H needs to be in every big angle. if it is getting big, he needs to be there. He took the Undertaker twice, he beat Punk cleanly during his big ascension (which there is no excuse for), he took 3 matches with Brock Lesnar, and now he made the biggest Summerslam angle in recent memory about himself. This is what happens when active talent is apart of booking the show. Everyone is fine with shitting all over Nash for booking himself as the center of attention in WCW but something similar is seriously happening right now. It takes so much away from these feuds because it isn't about Bryan/Cena or Bryan/Orton anymore. Its putting emphasis on a character that doesn't need any further development at the expense of developing guys that are supposed to be carrying your company. I don't like it at all.
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You're right Mingo. Vince really took SO much away from the Austin/Rock and Rock/HHH feuds when he was involved as the heel authority figure. Nobody remembers those at all and they didn't draw the biggest ratings in the history of the company.

I mean, HHH doesn't need any more character development as a heel authority figure. It's not like they're trying to establish him as Vince's replacement onscreen (and off-screen potentially) or anything.

This takes so much away from Bryan, the most over guy in the company. How will he ever recover after winning the title and then being screwed out of it? It's not like it's scripted or anything. This is super serious bidness after all.



Did you watch Summerslam in your pretty little dress last night Mingo?
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You're right Mingo. Vince really took SO much away from the Austin/Rock and Rock/HHH feuds when he was involved as the heel authority figure. Nobody remembers those at all and they didn't draw the biggest ratings in the history of the company.

I mean, HHH doesn't need any more character development as a heel authority figure. It's not like they're trying to establish him as Vince's replacement onscreen (and off-screen potentially) or anything.

This takes so much away from Bryan, the most over guy in the company. How will he ever recover after winning the title and then being screwed out of it? It's not like it's scripted or anything. This is super serious bidness after all.



Did you watch Summerslam in your pretty little dress last night Mingo?
The wrestler vs authority angle will never again be like McMahon/Austin no matter how many times they try to recreate it. They should be focusing on fresh storylines and not recycled overdone angles from the attitude era.
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The wrestler vs authority angle will never again be like McMahon/Austin no matter how many times they try to recreate it. They should be focusing on fresh storylines and not recycled overdone angles from the attitude era.
There's no such thing as original. Everything has been done before and recycled. Only the players change.
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