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Yeah I don't think it'll be overlooked how this girl is just a crazy badass off the get go.
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In fact, I found that a welcome change in direction. We've already see the long hard grind to even really be able to do anything force related. If she's the super powerful badass motherfucker, I like the idea that she's some kind of force savant.
And this would obviously drive Kylo mad because he'd be trying so hard to be a conquerer but this girl is coming in and stealing his thunder. It's a new wrinkle and I like it. |
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Nobody at all is talking about if it works or not. Premise one was recognizing that she was OP. That is it.
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She's only overpowered if there is never an explanation as to why she's so powerful. It's a story about space wizards. They have carte blanche to make anyone as powerful as they want, even if tje reason is that she's a random prodigy. It would be consistant with the rest of the saga as there have never been any specifically clear rules on how the force does or doesn't work.
I honestly don't even see the point in debating this. Like I said, we've only seen the first part of the story, and it was meant as a setup. If further films don't deliver a satisfying answer to Rey's power , then you can say she's ovwrpowered, but right now its too early, and there are too many delibrately unanswered questions to make that call. |
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There was no debate. No variation of viewpoints. I was explaining how Rey is a Mary Sue.
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Mary Sue is used today as any infallible or otherwise 'perfect' characters. This is why I mentioned author appeals so much. Alice in the RE movies is regarded as a Mary Sue despite not being written by a woman. People have accused Gail Simone as making Nightwing her Gary Stu, even as she was very open about how much she connected with Barbara Gordon.
It's no longer contingent on the writer inserting his or herself. |
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just 514 days.
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Here's a thought: what if the intention of her being so intuitive and "OP" with no prior training is to set *her* up as the eventual surprise big bad? She seems like she'd be easily seduceable with becoming uber powerful very quickly and intending to help people, but becoming cocky and petty... coming from nothing but scrounging a living to, almost overnight, being a bigger badass than (her possible granddad) Vader is a possible road to follow, if not flirt with for two more movies.
I know she is set up for the trilogy hero role, but she might swerve everyone and go all Sephiroth. She seems the perfect candidate for eventual arrogance and someone having to put her down. And *then* the argument would shift from her being "OP", to "why did the girl have to die?" or somesuch. Or maybe she even is initially blind to her descent, like Luke seemed to be, and also eventually loses a limb. Maybe a leg, though. Make it different. |
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It is very unlikely they would do something that bold with their only female hero. Just like John Cena, there's some meta-marketing here with Rey being the female face of Star Wars. She'll be tantamount to a Disney Princess, and no way in hell will they run blind into a minefield making her a villain down the line.
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And for the trifecta moonsault posting I seem to be doing a lot of...
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I guess I just don't see the big deal in being a Mary Sue or whatever. Just like I don't care if the movie passes the Bechdel test. Daisy Ridley was engaging and great in her role. I think it fits the story perfectly fine. You guys can keep debating this non issue.
Im the meantime I'm going to see the movie again and enjoy it just like I did the first time. I'm all for debating points of the film but I don't care for debating invented terms like this devised solely to invent criticism in films. I'll leave that to you experts. |
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There was no debate.
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So Rey is Roman Reigns?
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#18 |
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I do find it interesting that Lor San Tekka ended up on the same planet Rey was Abandoned.
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since its mirroring the original trilogy you think we will get another Christmas special?
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#22 |
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I don't know if it is but I kind of got the feeling that Kylo Ren might have known who Rey was. When he takes off his helmet in front of her its like he's waiting for her to recognize him and she doesn't. Like said I don't think she was mind wiped but just to young to really remember anyone in her real family. He might not know her at all but that's just the feeling I got from the scene.
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same
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#27 |
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Yeah that might be its just a feeling I got from the scene but I could be totally wrong.
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Usually in movies if you get the feeling, it's what they're going for. I think it's why he was so eager on training her.
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#29 |
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remember in Episode 6, how Luke immediately realizes Leia is his sister and then Leia goes "I always knew" when he tells her.
I dont know if he's going to "know" it flat out, but the knowlege of it is at the very least an intuition he has because of the force. |
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I think that was after he took the mask off and tried to read her mind though
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#31 |
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something something something Mary Sue OP
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Too bad they ruled out any shot of her in a space bikini.
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Who thinks they will actually do a love story with fin and ray?
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That seems like the way their going. I could see Fin being killed by Kylo Ren though to.
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So, if he is a goner, wouldn't having Lando come back to help avenge him make sense?
"Hey Ben you piece of shit, Chewie and I are here to make your ass pay. Then we're gonna drink some Colt .45 and piss on your grave you fucking emo little shit." |
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If he's Lando's kid I guess it would. He could live and find his parents if they are still alive to have his own little story.
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Never been that into Star Wars but enjoyed this only negative was that i watched episode 1,2 and 3 as a result
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If they kill Finn I will pull a Kylo on the nearest computer.
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Can't see them killing any of the 3 new babyfaces.
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