E3 2008

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower Yeah, but from what I've been hearing, MS is clearly trying to get their box going in Japan (this is one of the reasons they are trying to get so many JRPGs on their system right now). FF13 on their system over there would be a TREMENDOUS way to get people over there to look at their system as a viable option. But SE didn't give them that chance (wonder why).

Did you...Did you just say one thing regarding how this will backfire and then another regarding....

Fuck, man.

[darkpower]

Also, unrelated to FF13, this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technolog..._revealed.html

Apparently, we still don't know what this secret game is that gave the BBC reporter multiple orgasms, because it wasn't at E3. It's not MAG, and Heavy Rain has all but been ruled out (even though it's not official that HR is NOT that game). Hopefully they reveal it at the TGS.

[Kalyx triaD]

Until I get more news on the matter, its vaporware to me.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD Until I get more news on the matter, its vaporware to me.

Hopefully you're wrong, because I'm curious to see what he's talking about. He seems to be still under strict restrictions, so that's a good sign.

Some people on N4G are thinking that it could be the Team ICO thing that has been discussed before over there, since we know nothing about that, either.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower Hopefully you're wrong, because I'm curious to see what he's talking about. He seems to be still under strict restrictions, so that's a good sign. Some people on N4G are thinking that it could be the Team ICO thing that has been discussed before over there, since we know nothing about that, either.

He's not wrong. He said "Until there's more information, it's vaporware to me." It's impossible for him to be wrong. This kind of promise is great, but there were dozens of promised games, consoles, attachments. That's why there's the term 'vaporware' in the first place.

And did you just use speculation from the same forum you usually bring up to dismiss things? Wow. Seriously. After all your time bringing up N4G every time you needed a strawman to know down....

[Kalyx triaD]

If its a next gen project by those artist, there could be credit to this guy's hyperbole afterall. But E3 would've been a nice time to show off the project.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD If its a next gen project by those artist, there could be credit to this guy's hyperbole afterall. But E3 would've been a nice time to show off the project.

I think Sony has been giving a big fuck you to E3 anymore. Their blog really slammed the event some days before it all began...well, not really THAT badly, but they seemed to not really like E3 in the shape it now is in. I think the Tokyo Game Show is their favorite show, and they seem to ALWAYS have something big to announce there.

[Kalyx triaD]

Perhaps Microsoft will announce something new there as well. And the Big N.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD Perhaps Microsoft will announce something new there as well. And the Big N.

They probably will, too. But it seems like Sony always does REAL well at the TGS (and keep in mind that the PS3 is like God's gift to gaming in Japan right now), so they BETTER have something that just slaughters anyone else by comparison at that show if they like the Japanese having that thought.

[jcmoorehead]

Leipzig is also coming up soon which could also bring some big announcements. I'm hoping that we finally get to see something of Alan Wake. Also interested in LA Noir and Heavy Rain (Which was at E3 but an article was wrote saying people aren't allowed to speak about it).

[Kane Knight]

If Darkpower were a Wii fan:

Why Microsoft and Sony should be scared of the Wii

Posted by Don Reisinger 77 comments
At this year's E3, Microsoft and Sony will be taking the stage to discuss the future of their consoles. After that, Nintendo will gloat about its success and take the opportunity to tell the world that its Wii is second to none.
Of course, during all those press conferences, Nintendo will be the only company to even mention its competitors. Microsoft and Sony, on the other hand, will only talk about the other and make it abundantly clear to everyone that Nintendo isn't being considered a real competitor to either firm.
And just in case you don't believe me, Sony CEO Howard Stringer at a conference last week said that he doesn't even think the Wii is on the same level as his company's console.
"I've played a Nintendo Wii," Stringer said last week at the Allen & Co. media conference in Sun Valley, Idaho. "I don't see it as a competitor. It's more of an expensive niche game device."
Sorry, Howard, but lest you forget, the Wii is very much a competitor of yours and if you keep thinking otherwise, you won't stop the butt kicking.
The Wii, Playstation 3, and Xbox 360 are all competitors and so far, the Nintendo Wii has taken the top spot. Sure, it may be priced substantially lower than the others, its library of games is much different, and the way you play the games doesn't mimic anything we've ever seen in a video game, but that alone doesn't make it any less of a competitor.
The way I see it, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are all vying for the same customers -- gamers. And although Nintendo has been able to entice other consumers into the space that had heretofore never had any reason to play games, we simply can't denigrate its performance and downgrade its ability to be a major success in this generation.
By its very nature, competition assumes companies are working against each other for the same dollars. And although Microsoft and Sony don't want to believe it, Nintendo is taking money out their pockets every day while they try to tell the rest of us that it's not really happening.
I'm awfully sick and tired of listening to Sony and Microsoft denigrate Nintendo and try to make it seem like it's not even in the gaming industry. On numerous occasions I've been told by both companies' PR teams that Nintendo isn't a competitor and that mantra has been repeated over and over by their CEOs and other top-level executives.
Here's a newsflash: when I go to Gamestop, Target, Wal-Mart, GameCrazy, and any other video game retailer, the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 is sitting right next to the Wii. And when people run down to their local Gamestop to buy a video game, they buy those Wii titles instead of Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games.
Just because the Wii does gaming differently, it doesn't mean that it's not a video game console. According to Stringer, the Wii is just "an expensive niche gaming device," but I think that comment alone shows exactly why Sony can't get out of its own way in the business. If the Wii was just another niche device, it wouldn't be selling nearly as well as it does and whether Stringer and his cronies want to believe it or not, it wouldn't be beating the hell out of his console.
In reality, Microsoft and Sony are saying this to make themselves feel better. And while it may help them get through the tough times for a while, the reality of the situation dictates that they stop burying their heads in the sand and accept the fact that Nintendo is a major competitor.
If they don't, there's not a chance in the world that either company can supplant the Wii as the leader in this generation.

[Extreme Angle]

360 version will play fine..New thing coming out where you can save the disk to the consoles hard drivpse. Increasing load times. They'll both be exactly the same when they come out... I had a PS3 for 3 weeks. Loved MGS4 one of the best games ever. But the 360 is where it's at. PS3's online service was pretty shoddy.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle 360 version will play fine..New thing coming out where you can save the disk to the consoles hard drivse. Increasing load times. They'll both be exactly the same when they come out... I had a PS3 for 3 weeks. Loved MGS4 one of the best games ever. But the 360 is where it's at. PS3's online service was pretty shoddy.

I'm not sure what you mean by new thing coming out or anything like that, for one thing.

And I'm sure it might, and for what was said up above, I've clearly documented that I did have a Wii as well as a PS3 (apparently, people will only hear out of a post what they WANT to hear and go on that, or twist words to make them mean what they want them to mean), and that the only reason why I don't have a 360 at the moment is because I have other expenses that I need to pay, and I'm still a little shoddy about buying one knowing the RRoD is still out there.

However, the thing I'm getting on is, for one, no one will know for sure how different one version will be over the other until they actually port it (they said they haven't yet, they will once Japan's version releases), so we can't say just yet that they will both end up playing exactly the same way. And that Sony may want to advertise how much better multiplats play on the PS3 using this as an example (again, this is something KK decided to twist in order to make it seem like I said something completely different, he's no stranger to twisting words).

That and for some reason KK seems to have this grudge against me that gives him the right to call me on absolutely EVERYTHING I say no matter what it is and regardless of if it's valid for him to MAKE any comment or not. I bet that if one of the people he liked made the very same comments I did, he would've been praising them. I can already predict what he'll say about this post, I'm sure others can, too.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower And I'm sure it might, and for what was said up above, I've clearly documented that I did have a Wii as well as a PS3

It's clearly documented that I own all three, and yet you tried to imply my fanboy status on multiple occasions. Clearly, owning multiple systems doesn't change the concept of bias in your mind, so is this now hypocrisy?

(apparently, people will only hear out of a post what they WANT to hear and go on that, or twist words to make them mean what they want them to mean)

Yes, you ranting about bogeyman fanboys and trying to bolster your logic by accusing others has nothing to do with it.

However, the thing I'm getting on is, for one, no one will know for sure how different one version will be over the other until they actually port it (they said they haven't yet, they will once Japan's version releases), so we can't say just yet that they will both end up playing exactly the same way. And that Sony may want to advertise how much better multiplats play on the PS3 using this as an example

But again, you're using shitty logic. "We don't know the PS3 version won't be better, so...."

This is especially bad logic considering the "MS's MONEY!" shit you've been throwing out. I mean, if we are to assume the only reason they're making FF13 for the 360 is money, wouldn't Microsoft pay to have the definitive version?

Meanwhile, we also don't know that the 360 version won't be the better, definitive version. We also don't know that they won't be equal. Funny that.

(again, this is something KK decided to twist in order to make it seem like I said something completely different, he's no stranger to twisting words).

Silly me, not reading your mind so that I'd know you didn't really mean those definitive terms you were using.

That and for some reason KK seems to have this grudge against me

Funny. The guy who's accusing me of twisting words is outright fabricating a grudge, lying about my motives, and trying to turn this into something personal, rather than it just being about your shitty logic. If it's personal, why have so many other people called you on it or mocked you? KooS mocked you, Hasney told you "Fuck You." That's just in a single thread. These are also people holding a grudge, or does that just apply to me in your made-up argument?

Your logic is shit. Sorry. That's about the only emotional investment I have in you. I see stupid arguments, I point them out.

that gives him the right to call me on absolutely EVERYTHING I say

The right? Wait, what?

no matter what it is and regardless of if it's valid for him to MAKE any comment or not.

Oddly enough, I don't do that. I don't comment on everything you say and usually opt instead to ignore you. Doesn't change the stupidity of your statements, which is the main reason I comment instead of ignore. When wouldn't it be valid, praytell?

I bet that if one of the people he liked made the very same comments I did, he would've been praising them.

Ask Fallen Angel about that one. How kind I am to him when he picks on people's girlfriends after he fucked Blitz. Or how much I praise BDC, one of he people I chat most with on MSN, when he says something that is devoid of logic. Or Crossrine, whose religious beliefs I fervently disagree with. Or Dave Wadding. Or Lara Emily. CT2GAY. Etc.

Hell, I have you on AIM and I think on MSN, too. The problem isn't so much that I agree with people I like and disagree with people I don't, it's that most people don't get their ass chapped when they're called on something profoundly stupid. Most people, indeed, tend not to cleave to stupid assertions (Exception: BDC, who is beligerently wrong and makes no effort to hide it).

You'd lose that wager, because stupid is stupid. Fairness in the console war, money exchanging hands in the conole business, your concepts of what can and can't be patented, the fact that you keep bringing up N4G as bogeymen to criticise and knock down arguments nobody else seems to be making (strawman argument?) should be reason enough.

I can already predict what he'll say about this post, I'm sure others can, too.

You can't even predict how I'd respond to people with the same argument; I find it hard to believe you can really predict anything I do. Especially when you cannot even grasp my motives.

[Extreme Angle]

Lol, Here is an article on some shit.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/890/890349p1.html

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle Lol, Here is an article on some shit. http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/890/890349p1.html

I think I already read that one. And with each interview they do, they change the wording on the answer of the release date. In one interview (I think it's this one) they say the will be releasing the US PS3 one and the 360 one at the same time, but I saw in another interview they did that they said they would release the US PS3 version and then the 360 version. It's kind of confusing as to just what they are actually wanting to do right now about that.

Personally, I don't mind them doing this for the 360 (I would've minded if it became exclusive for the 360).

I'm still reserved about buying one right now because it does seem people are still having issues with the RRoD, and again, my money situation is tight right now (I have a day long trip to New York planned in the first weekend in August, so going to need money to spend up there). I SO want to do Fable 2, though, so I'll probably end up getting one, even though for some reason, that new dashboard interface isn't sitting right with me. Why change what wasn't broken (the blade thing seemed to work fine when I tried it on the store displays, but that was just the displays. Didn't hear of any major complaints about it, though)?

[Extreme Angle]

There are no real problems tbh. Just abit of login lag. I think the main reason is to make it more family based. With avatars and all that. Layout does look better though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Gypsies tea leaf readings?

[Kane Knight]

Probably more accurate than his shoestring theories.

This could be a turning point for the 360. I mean, since they paid to bring FF13 to the 360, they might have paid for exclusive content. They might have paid to have a better version. They actually could have paid for Jesus to appear, bless the 360 Version, and then endorse the new "Red Ring of Eternal Life." This could be Microsoft's chance to say "Hey, even Sony's exclusives are better on our console." This is a good chance for them***


***BY "This is a good chance," I clearly don't actually mean it's a good chance, I mean that it might sorta possibly be and if you don't know that, you're twisting my words.

[Funky Fly]

Actually, Samsung makes the best BD player rn. The PS3 is pretty much a close second, especially being CDN$50 cheaper, a game system and almost as good a BD player (very minor difference in specs).

Anyway, to get in on this fanboy ridiculousness, let me say this:

The first console I had was an Atari 2600. What does that have to do with this? Absolutely nothing.

The second console I had was a SNES. You know what? It had so many great games that were chock full of win that I became a Nintendo fanboy. Do you know what the result of that was? We went and got a Nintendo 64 and crapped all over the PSX and Dreamcast (I crapped on the Saturn too, but that one actually deserved it). That means I missed out on 45869347685 awesome games because Nintendo could do no wrong in my eyes. To this day, I am still trying to find all the games I've been missing out on, and collecting rereleases as they come out (FFVII on DS, plz). Meanwhile, I enjoyed a few games on the 64 but missed out on sooo many more.

Fast forward a few years and now I've got a Gamecube and PS2. Still have that fanboy flame in me somewhere, but amazingly I amass close to 40 PS2 games in less than a year while still having 20 cube games built up over 5 years. Finally starting to learn my lesson here.

Fast forward again to now. I've had a 360 for 5 months now. Got lots of games for it, more on the way and quite a few XBLA titles to boot. On top of that, I've been able to pick up all the almost all the original Xbox titles I missed out on thanks to backward compatibility (still looking for Kotor 1 and 2). I have no problems buying a PS3, but if I'm gonna get it, I need games for it. So far, there are about 10 games I want, almost half of which aren't coming out for another year. May as well wait. Besides that, I hear they're cutting out backward compatibility (doesn't affect me, but it's lame) and the internet service is kinda shit.

Right now I don't who gives me good games, as long as I'm getting good games. It could be cross-dressing Zionist Neo-Nazi puppy-punting cannibals, and I wouldn't give a shit as long as the game rocked my socks.

[LoDownM]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly That means I missed out on 45869347685 awesome games because NintendoSony could do no wrong in my eyes.

That's pretty much why I went from just owning a PSX and PS2 to owning PSX, PS2, Xbox, and a GC last gen. Good to Awesome games = win, not being able to play them = lose. Would be the same this generation, but I am broke all the time now.

Want to buy winning Powerball numbers!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly Actually, Samsung makes the best BD player rn. The PS3 is pretty much a close second, especially being CDN$50 cheaper, a game system and almost as good a BD player (very minor difference in specs).

Almost every online source disagrees with you.

I hear they're cutting out backward compatibility (doesn't affect me, but it's lame) and the internet service is kinda shit.

One of the funny things about the complaints about the 360's live service costing money is that we're told that they're the same service. It's ridiculous on many levels.

First off, the Gold users pay for a lot of the features that people claim are "free." One of the first things any consumer should learn is that there's no such thing as free. God, in my school, they drilled that shit into your head in like 7th grade. I can't imagine people being so naive as to take anything at face value, but it happens.

But the more important element is actually that you're not getting the same service. Even with the XMB enhancements, you're still not getting the service Live offers you. People often try to equate the two. I'd love it if you could find games even half as readily on the PS3's service. Thing is you can't.

I would never pay for a service that was actually similar to PSN. Sony promised a free online service to rival Microsoft's pay service. They were half right.

But yeah, I go where the games are. It was Sony the last 2 gens, and it's icrosoft this time. I don't get fanboyism, and I don't even get the need to defend "my" system. Loyalty to Nintendo gets you fucked in terms of number of games. Loyalty to the lead system almost always leads to defective hardware (Sony for two gens, Microsoft this time).

[Kalyx triaD]

Im web surfing on the PS3 now actually. Waiting for Tekken 6.

[Drakul]

For any Nintendo fans that thought the Nintendo conference was bad:

Originally Posted by CVG Shigeru Miyamoto has explained Nintendo's lack of gamer's games at E3, claiming the event is no longer the right show to unveil such titles. "Our view of how we use E3 has changed," he said in an interview with MSNBC. "For a very long time, E3 was an event [that] - and certainly Nintendo included - catered specifically to the core gamer. "Now we look at it more... an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now." We're slightly conflicted over whether we think his point is valid. Whilst it's true that mainstream media watches E3 with interest, those who cried actual tears back in 2006 when Twilight Princess was unveiled hardly work for MSNBC. Miyamoto also went on to remind gamers that more traditional games are on the way: "So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we're still working on many of those titles, but it's just not the type of event where we'll be showcasing that anymore." So we gamers still have loads of awesome stuff to come... we hope. Nintendo just needs to showcase them sooner rather than later.

Source: http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=193543

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by Drakul For any Nintendo fans that thought the Nintendo conference was bad: Source: http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=193543

That makes sense. But maybe I'm being a fanboy about it.

Halo 3 is the most played game in my spot, next to Rock Band, Tetris Splash, then whatever else.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD That makes sense. But maybe I'm being a fanboy about it.

If it was in fact the reason, why did they put int what was obviously an attempt to look strong?

Every time someone has a lackluster showing at E3, this sort of thing comes up. Same with Sony. "Oh, they're just waiting for the TGS." "E3 doesn't mean anything anymore."

Sounds more like sour grapes, really. Nintendo thought they could uy us with something shiny again, and the promise of a couple franchises repeating. E3 was a huge deal this year before the lackluster showings. Now it's "Not the place."

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight If it was in fact the reason, why did they put int what was obviously an attempt to look strong? Every time someone has a lackluster showing at E3, this sort of thing comes up. Same with Sony. "Oh, they're just waiting for the TGS." "E3 doesn't mean anything anymore." Sounds more like sour grapes, really. Nintendo thought they could uy us with something shiny again, and the promise of a couple franchises repeating. E3 was a huge deal this year before the lackluster showings. Now it's "Not the place."

Actually, the way E3 has become, I wouldn't blame them. E3 has become a sort of a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if there was no E3 next year.

Plus, I read that Sony is going to have 12 announcement at the Leipzig show (I guess this is a UK show, I never heard of it, since it was a Sony UK head that made this claim). Don't know what they will be, but they just started the hype machine on that one.

[LoDownM]

Halo still sucks tho

[darkpower]

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Leipzig is the location of a pretty big show in Germany.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Vietnamese Crippler Leipzig is the location of a pretty big show in Germany.

Close enough for me. It's within the vicinity as far as I'm concerned.

And speaking of this, Leipzig might be good for Sony knowing all the wild rumors that are sparking that could be on that 12 announcement thing (the speculation is already going).

• The rumored FF7 remake for PS3 may be real and may be announced then. SE said they had some more huge announcements soon, and this rumored remake will NOT die no matter WHAT!
• The "mystery game" may be revealed there.
• There's a new controversy over what a Bioware exec actually meant in an Australian 360 magazine about delivering the Mass Effect trilogy to the 360. They said they were "committed", but despite a blog saying that meant the trilogy would be 360 exclusive, another Bioware exec told Joystiq that the first guy never meant such a thing. NOW the rumor of the Mass Effect game being ported to the PS3 plus an announcement that the rest of the trilogy might be multiplat has begun.

Those are the big three I continue to hear.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Of course Mass Effect is going to PS3, Bioware are published by EA and they are they are the multi-format people. I wouldn't be suprised if there was a but-down Wii version

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Hasney Of course Mass Effect is going to PS3, Bioware are published by EA and they are they are the multi-format people. I wouldn't be suprised if there was a but-down Wii version

Microsoft still owns publishing rights to Mass Effect I'm pretty sure, because they owned the rights before EA bought Bioware.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Requiem Microsoft still owns publishing rights to Mass Effect I'm pretty sure, because they owned the rights before EA bought Bioware.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/22/bi...fect-360-excl/

"Dude, I totally heard that Mass Effect 2 is going to be an Xbox 360 exclusive. Not only that, but my friend's brother's girlfriend's chiropodist who worked with guy who played a BioWare game with me says that the entire trilogy will be exclusive to Microsoft and will eventually cross over with the Halo and Viva Pinata universes. It's going to be an awesome dose of rad-tacular sweetitude." - Hypothetical Joystiq tipster. While there's no question about the rad-tacular sweetitude that's bound to emanate from BioWare's future entries in the Mass Effect franchise, it's time to hang up on another telephoned rumor -- this one has the unannounced trilogy locked into Xbox 360 exclusivity. According to the eloquently named Australian blog, XboxOZ360-gamer, BioWare bigwig Ray Muzyka told Australian 360 magazine that the RPG developer was committed to bringing the Mass Effect trilogy exclusively to the Xbox 360. Yeah, not so much. Speaking to Joystiq, a BioWare representative deemed the information "incorrect," noting that Muzyka has "never confirmed any plans of Mass Effect exclusivity for the trilogy." So ... there is a trilogy, right?

[Loose Cannon]

The way they are showcasing the Wii in that video thing up there reminds me of the 1980's

[Loose Cannon]

that whole fucking thing with the guy playing the horn is possibly the gayest thing I've ever seen btw

[Kane Knight]

Also, the rumoured FFVII remake? The same one that's been rumoured since before the release of the PS3, the one founded on utter bullshit?

[Extreme Angle]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Also, the rumoured FFVII remake? The same one that's been rumoured since before the release of the PS3, the one founded on utter bullshit?

I can see the FF7 remake coming out. Alot of people went "ape shit" when that tech demo came out. They are guaranteed alot of money.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle I can see the FF7 remake coming out. Alot of people went "ape shit" when that tech demo came out. They are guaranteed alot of money.

I can see it too.... Eventually. They've got too many projects being worked on right now. They'll divert some of there FF13 resources to FF13 Vs. and then look at an FF7 remake.

I wouldn't be so sure for it to be [i]just]/i] PS3 though, even if PS3 at all. DS and PSP get most of the remake love, but if it did go next-gen and FF13 sells well on 360, don't be shocked for another dual-format game.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle I can see the FF7 remake coming out. Alot of people went "ape shit" when that tech demo came out. They are guaranteed alot of money.

Same is true of No Mercy, the rumoured HALO remakes, Metal Gear Solid 4 going multi, and dozens of other things.

"They would make a lot of money" doesn't equal it happening, or even it being possible.

"I can see it happening" doesn't mean it actually will happen, or that it is possible.

I heavily suspect my post will get Noided; that is, someone will take these statements and come to the completely false notion that I'm saying it will "never happen."

I wonder if Darkpower thinks it's unfair that Mass Effect won't be an axclusive anymore. I mean "SOMEONE GOT SONY'S MONIES!!!!!"