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Old 01-29-2009, 09:36 AM   #521
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I dunno, Look at recent sluggers changing leagues. They drop off for a year at least, just because of the change in pitchers. Add in that I truly believe the AL has MUCH better picthing. Not as much as 2 years ago, but the NL is much weaker overall. The NL is where it is at right now if you want to put up inflated numbers.
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Jays should get Dunn, get Abreu, get O-Dog.
Dunn at DH, Abreu in right, move Rios to left? Would be nice.

O-Dog? Hudson?
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I don't know if I'd say the NL is much weaker than the AL right now. The Rays would've laid the smackdown on the Phillies if that was the case. Pitching numbers do get a little inflated in the NL due to the pitcher actually having to hit, but I'd say the pitching talent is relatively equal between the AL and NL. The AL might have the more established guys like Halladay and Sabathia (just to throw out a couple random names), but the NL has a ton of young guys like Cole Hamels and Tim Lincecum that are every bit as good.

I'm having a hard time thinking of big bats switching leagues recently, though...it seems to me like guys generally stay in the league they're most comfortable in. Manny put up huge numbers after switching to the NL last year, but IMO that had more to do with the best right-handed hitter in the game being pissed off for a few months and having something to prove. Teixeira hit pretty well after being traded to the Angels, but he was only in the NL for like a season and a half. Jason Bay hit pretty well switching from Pittsburgh to Boston.

Dunn's power numbers are always going to be there. I remember him always getting a ton of crap for playing in the Great American Bandbox with the Reds, but he doesn't hit many wall-scrapers. When he actually makes contact, chances are it's going pretty far. That kind of thing translates everywhere pretty evenly, unless he were to go to a fairly extreme pitchers park like San Diego, San Francisco, etc. Toronto would be a nice fit, but I don't see him going there after his little feud with J.P. Ricciardi.
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The Dunn-Richardi thing would be solved in no time by a 3 year deal.
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You cant base the NL vs AL on the World Series.

From top to bottom the AL is way better.

Outside of the Phillies, and maybe the Cubs, who could have won the WS last year? The NL has 1 or 2 top notch team, the AL have more than that in the East alone.

Look at the Interleague play from last year...and the few before it....
Year AL NL
2004 126 125
2005 136 116
2006 154 98
2007 137 115
2008 149 103

The AL tears through the NL.

Manny put up sick numbers because the pitching is so much weaker in the NL. Take dunn into the AL and he will be an inverse of Manny.
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Fuck, Varitek needs to swallow his pride and take the Red Sox offer
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Varitek is thinking of retiring now.

I've been saying this whole offseason that the Sox ought to trade for Saltalamachia (sp), which has been discussed, but hasn't gone anywhere. At first I was against trading Buchholz for Salty straight up, but now I think Buchholz is likely to be held down in Pawtucket for the season. At least in Texas he'd probably make the starting rotation and play for his home state. The Red Sox could platoon Salty and Bard at catcher against lefties and righties.
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LOL holy shit. Watching the Mets Hot Stove, a show that SNY does every Thursday...and there is a mob of people outside the SNY studios chanting for Manny and they have loads of signs, mini Dominican flags, Manny dreadlocks, and jerseys.



The fans want Manny, the team leaders have all said they want Manny, Jerry Manuel has said he wants Manny, they are moving into a new stadium with higher ticket prices and assloads of income......but it's not gonna happen.

They have said their priority is getting a starting pitcher...and getting a starter AND Manny will put them over the luxury tax threshold, which they've said time and time again that they aren't willing to do.
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I dunno, Look at recent sluggers changing leagues. They drop off for a year at least, just because of the change in pitchers. Add in that I truly believe the AL has MUCH better picthing. Not as much as 2 years ago, but the NL is much weaker overall. The NL is where it is at right now if you want to put up inflated numbers.
Ok let's look at some player changes from the NL to the AL last year:

Miguel Cabrera: .292 37 HR 127 RBI
Josh Hamilton: .304 32 HR 130 RBI
Carlos Quentin: .288 36 HR 100 RBI


Cabrera and Quentin finished 1,2 in the AL in home runs
Hamilton and Cabrera finished 1st and 3rd in the AL in RBIs


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Manny put up sick numbers because the pitching is so much weaker in the NL. Take dunn into the AL and he will be an inverse of Manny.
If that's true, then how do explain what happened when Mark Teixeira switched to the AL midseason?
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If that's true, then how do explain what happened when Mark Teixeira switched to the AL midseason?
You have found a flaw in my logic.

Damn you.

In regards to Teix, he was an AL player to begin with and spent such a short time in the NL that it didnt make a difference.

Good point though.
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The Bonds saga continues.


BRISTOL, Conn. (AP)—Former major league catcher Bobby Estalella has been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors to testify at Barry Bonds’ trial, ESPN.com reported Thursday.

Estalella, who was on the San Francisco Giants with Bonds in 2000 and 2001, is expected to testify to firsthand knowledge that Bonds used steroids, the Web site said, citing an unidentified source with knowledge of the evidence. The Web site attributed knowledge of the subpoenas to two unidentified sources.

Estalella testified before a federal grand jury in November 2003. He admitted to the grand jury that he used performance-enhancing drugs, the San Francisco Chronicle reported in December 2004.

The book “Game of Shadows,” by two Chronicle reporters, says Estalella received a drug schedule from Greg Anderson, Bonds’ trainer, advising him to use human growth hormone, the steroids “the cream” and “the clear,” and the female fertility drug Clomid.

Prosecutors also plan to call Jason Giambi and his brother, Jeremy, as witnesses at Bonds’ trial so they can testify that Anderson gave them performance-enhancing drugs, The New York Times reported on its Web site Thursday night.

The newspaper said prosecutors want to use testimony from the Giambis, teammates in Oakland from 2000-01, to show that Anderson developed doping calendars for them. Then the prosecutors could argue that Anderson made similar calendars for Bonds, the Times said, citing an unidentified person briefed on the government’s evidence. The newspaper said the person spoke on condition of anonymity because he didn’t want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information.

After seven years with the New York Yankees, Jason Giambi re-signed with the Oakland Athletics this offseason. Jeremy Giambi has been out of the majors since 2003.

The Mitchell Report on drugs in baseball, released in December 2007, says that when the Los Angeles Dodgers considered signing Estalella as a free agent after the 2003 season, one team official noted in an internal conversation that Estalella was a “poster boy for the chemicals.”

Bonds pleaded not guilty to charges of lying and obstruction of justice in connection with his grand jury testimony in December 2003. Bonds, who in his testimony denied using performance-enhancing drugs, is scheduled for trial starting March 2 in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

Twenty federal agents raided the home of Anderson’s mother-in-law on Wednesday.

Madeleine Gestas and her daughter Nicole Anderson, the trainer’s wife, are the target of a tax investigation that Anderson’s lawyer said is aimed at pressuring the trainer to testify at Bonds’ trial.

Anderson’s lawyer, Mark Geragos, believes the raid was in response to his refusal to tell prosecutors whether Anderson would testify. Anderson served more than a year in prison for refusing to testify to the grand jury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns
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Feds are gonna call the Giambi Bros. to testify in the Bonds perjury case.
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Varitek finally comes to his senses and agrees to a 1-year deal with the Sox. Can't blame him for trying though
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Yankees sign Brian Bruney for $1.325 mil. to avoid arbitration.

That's it for our cases.
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John Maine signs for $2.6 million...meanwhile Oliver Perez is still holding out hoping for a better deal despite the Mets offering $10 million per year and Ollie is no better than Maine. Pisses me off sometimes.
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Cubs and Orioles are reportedly working on a deal that could send Rich Hill to Baltimore. Hill is probably the one pitcher most in need of a change in scenery. I hope he gets to play for the O's.
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Cubs need to sign Manny before the Cards do.
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Pujols is pushing Manny's name. With Glauss out for the beginning of the season, they may be looking for another big bat. Still guys like Abreu and Dunn out there, but with Pujols pushing Manny's name, you never know....
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I cant understand how the Mets havent signed Manny yet. THe only thing i can think of is that Manny doesnt wanna play for the Mets.
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Manny should have taken the 2 years, $50 million that the Dodgers offered at the beginning of the offseason...because right now he's gonna get lowballed big time. One GM even said he bets the Dodgers could offer 2 years, $30 million and still sign him because nobody else has that much left to spend.

The Mets' priority is getting a starter...hopefully Oliver Perez will be locked up by the weekend. If only there was some way to get Billy Wagner to defer some of the $14 million he will get next year for sitting around doing nothing, the Mets would have enough room to also sign Manny without going over the luxury tax threshold.
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Pujols is trying to convince Manny to take a discount because the Cards fans support their players. If I remember correctly, the Red Sox supported Manny until he became more interested in getting an extension and they turned on each other rather quickly.
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Manny was goofing on fly balls. That last one was the tipping point. The fans shifted from that point on and weren't enamored with Manny being Manny anymore.
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So, according to WFAN's overnight host, the Mets are indeed interested in Manny and he said the team will at least make an offer...he supposedly has a source in Omar's office.

It could very well be bullshit, but the story has spread all over and I'd like to think he wouldn't risk his reputation by bullshitting a story like that. We'll see though.

Mind, that's the same host that broke the news of the Beltran signing well before anyone else...so I wouldn't doubt that he does have some sort of inside source.
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Wow, Mets are fucked. First they lose $500 million from Madoff...and now the government is supposedly gonna be vetoing their $400 million naming rights deal.

What pisses me off is that the media is painting the Mets as being assholes for not VOLUNTARILY ending a legal-binding agreement...as though anyone would throw away $400 million without hesitation. Nevermind that the deal was made in 2006 when the economy wasn't in the shitter.

Opening in 2009 - Cat Fancy Fieldhouse!
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Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the Mets and Perez have agreed to terms on a three-year, $36MM deal (no fourth-year option). Sherman says the signing "all but assures" Pedro Martinez will not be re-signed.

I wanted Ollie back, so I am happy he is back at a reasonable price, but this offseason is still far from a success IMO.
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I feel somewhat unfulfilled...only because the K-Rod and Putz acquisitions were almost 2 months ago, and they've really not done anything since except go sideways with the rotation. Definitely still a success though, if the offense can be the same, the bullpen will blow less games.

I hope they somehow shock everyone and get Manny, maybe negotiating the deal in a way that they don't go over the $160 million luxury tax threshold. We'll see.
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Blue Jays sign Ken Takahashi to a minor league deal. He's got a shot at being a starter.

Blue Jays also throw a minor league offer to Kevin Millar. No word on if he took it or not.

Cubs trade Michael Wuertz to the A's for minor leaguers Richie Robnett and Justin Sellers.
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Takahashi is 40 and has a career 4.23 ERA in Japan. I dunno what Ricciardi is expecting but it can't be much.
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Dodgers pitch Manny another offer. 1-year, $25 mil.

Don't know if he has a choice between this or the 2-year, $45 mil.
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Manny rejects the Dodgers new offer overnight. Nationals and Giants are on the radar right now.

Red Sox sign Brad Wilkerson.
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lol the Nationals always get into the discussion for every big free agent but they never make the move.

Comeonnnnn Omar, 2 years, $40+ million......set up the deal so that you stay under the luxury tax this year
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Might have been wise for Manny to accept that offer. Have a monster year and sign a multi year next year. That's Manny.
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White Sox make an offer to Bobby Abreu. 1-year, $8 mil.

Adam Dunn has been sitting on an offer from the Nationals. He's waiting to hear from the Dodgers, his top choice.
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So now the Dodgers may be moving onto Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson. They could get Dunn, Hudson, and Randy Wolf for less than the cost of one year of Manny Ramirez.
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Scott Boras quote obtained by Yahoo's Tim Brown, which apparently refers to the Dodgers:

"What I do know, you better watch out when you’re playing chicken."

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