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Old 08-22-2005, 11:08 PM   #561
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This is what they needed going into SummerSlam - Jericho as a viable contender. Cena sold the hell out of the Walls of Jericho, and the "can't lift him for the FU" bit was pretty formula, but a great bit of the kind of in match continuity that WWE main events have been lacking. Cena got his ass kicked, but still came through, in a surprisingly believable way. That's how you establish your champ.

...so, when Jericho returns, is it Raw or Smackdown? And will he be a face, or whiny heel?

Hey, how 'bout that segway into our next title challenger? Makes it feel like they actually planned ahead.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:08 PM   #562
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what did I say like 2 months ago

Jericho was a feeder for Cena to get to Angle.

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Old 08-22-2005, 11:08 PM   #563
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #564
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #565
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #566
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #567
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #568
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM   #569
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what did I say like 2 months ago

Jericho was a feeder for Cena to get to Angle.

Next time you dreamers will listen
I knew it, but my love for Jericho will never die
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:10 PM   #570
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:10 PM   #571
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I think Cena should beat Angle the first time and lose it at Survivor Series
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:11 PM   #572
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:11 PM   #573
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Meh, I like Angle just fine, but Jericho > Angle.


Still, as long as someone gets the belt off of Cena, I'm happy. Jericho getting "fired" still ruined Raw for me though. Maybe he'll be able to kick some ass on Smackdown.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:12 PM   #574
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then Angle loses to HHH, who will face Cena at Mania
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:12 PM   #575
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I think this break will do Jericho's character some good. But the way they had his go out...pathetic.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:12 PM   #576
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How many people did Vince throw at Austin to get the belt off of him a few years back?

I hope this time around it's just 2.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:15 PM   #577
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Yeah, but though he went out real pathetic, he can come back much more intense if his character get's to freshen up a bit over the next few months.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:15 PM   #578
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:16 PM   #579
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Yeah I was pretty siked when Cena showed up on Raw but over the weeks it's just been getting more lame.. now it's like.. " oh Cena.. okay"... Also if Raw got Torrie and Michelle for Jericho that kinda sucks...
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:16 PM   #580
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As much as I love Jericho, he needs a break. He's been long overdue that's for sure. HE'S A BIG MULTIMEDIA SUPERSTAR, AFTER ALL! So when he comes back, whenever he comes back, he'll be bigger and better, that's for damn sure.

Great show as it was interesting and different. Still... heel divas? Naaaah, don't believe it. Later. MADNESSART.COM!
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:18 PM   #581
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How many people did Vince throw at Austin to get the belt off of him a few years back?

I hope this time around it's just 2.
Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:21 PM   #582
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Murdoch and Cade remind me of the old school Dusty Rhodes/Dick Murdoch tag team from the 70's. Two heel bad asses that will beat the shit out of anyone.

Yet then again, I dunno how conviced I am of Cade being a bad ass.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:22 PM   #583
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Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think
Yeah, but he won the title back the next night so its not looking good for kurt by that standard.
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yea exactly.

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Old 08-22-2005, 11:23 PM   #586
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Y'know, watching that smooth transition from Jericho (you'll be missed, Chris) to Angle, with Bisch playing the evil mastermind role perfectly, I'm beginning to (reluctantly) like this Cena-Bischoff feud. The constant attempts to make it Austin-McMahon are ipecac-level vomit-inducers, but the two characters involved are both charismatic and fun to watch. (Bisch is more consistent in both those qualities, of course.) If you tweak the formula a little, it could really click.

And just how would I tweak it? Well, Austin was cheered for constantly gettting the upper hand on his boss. He absolutely destroyed everything in his path, and we believed it, 'cause his character was just enough of a roughneck to sell said ass-kickery. Cena is not so believable as an anti-establishment "tough guy" (he's from the freakin' suburbs of Boston!), but he's got that Austin-like "regular guy" quality, which is why, I think, fans have taken to him. So, rather than have Cena emulate the Austin-esque qualities that he doesn't have, why not play up the one he does - the average joe factor?

Hell, I was marking out for Cena by the end of tonight's match, and I didn't even like him much as a heel. And the thought process that led me to such marking out was simple - Cena is the plucky underdog, wouldn't it be great to see him win. What they need to do with Angle is maintain that feeling. WWE, we're not stupid - we know Angle can outwrestle Cena. And, quite frankly, the combined brainpower of Kurt and Eric should be enough to outsmart Cena. But if you turn Cena into that likeable underdog who manages to come through when it counts (shades of Mick Foley) - then you might have something.

There's potential gold in this feud, but it sure ain't in the messy rehash of Austin/McMahon they've been giving us.
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Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think
I know they are one guy but Vince had Mankind & Dude Love along with Kane, Undertaker (at one time) & The Rock.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:30 PM   #589
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I know they are one guy but Vince had Mankind & Dude Love along with Kane, Undertaker (at one time) & The Rock.
I don't get what you're saying
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:36 PM   #590
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looks like Vince had so many guys after Austin to get the title and now they tryin to do the same to Cena
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:38 PM   #591
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I don't get what you're saying
During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:39 PM   #592
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looks like Vince had so many guys after Austin to get the title and now they tryin to do the same to Cena
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:43 PM   #593
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yea exactly.

nothing like Smoking Gunns
but they are two cowboys from Texas so obviously they must be another Smoking Gunns!
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:44 PM   #594
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That was a good Raw tonight. Aside from the pointless heel turn of Torrie Wilson and Candice Michelle, I am interested who they were traded for. Kurt Angle transitioning to No. 1 contender was great after his equally great match with Shelton Benjamin, which should propell him to the InterContinental title scene.

A note on Shelton Benjamin, I would not be surprised if he was traded back to Smackdown! Remember before he was drafted to Raw, he had a good showing in that Slobber Knocker Type match to be the No. 1 contender before he eventually lost. I think after his great match with Kurt Angle, he could be a good challenger to Chris Benoit or even Batista.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:44 PM   #595
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During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?
During Austin sfirst title run he faced Dude love at Unforgiven. Dude again at Over the Edge. And Kane at KOTR.
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During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?
yea, like I keep pointing out, If it's worked in the past, i.e. Hogan and Austin, keep following the formula. Cena is on fire right now with the crowd and he is the biggest draw, so feeding him heels is the correct thing to do IMO. The WWE lacked good babyfaces that could draw for a while and now they got one in Cena.
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Y'know, watching that smooth transition from Jericho (you'll be missed, Chris) to Angle, with Bisch playing the evil mastermind role perfectly, I'm beginning to (reluctantly) like this Cena-Bischoff feud. The constant attempts to make it Austin-McMahon are ipecac-level vomit-inducers, but the two characters involved are both charismatic and fun to watch. (Bisch is more consistent in both those qualities, of course.) If you tweak the formula a little, it could really click.

And just how would I tweak it? Well, Austin was cheered for constantly gettting the upper hand on his boss. He absolutely destroyed everything in his path, and we believed it, 'cause his character was just enough of a roughneck to sell said ass-kickery. Cena is not so believable as an anti-establishment "tough guy" (he's from the freakin' suburbs of Boston!), but he's got that Austin-like "regular guy" quality, which is why, I think, fans have taken to him. So, rather than have Cena emulate the Austin-esque qualities that he doesn't have, why not play up the one he does - the average joe factor?

Hell, I was marking out for Cena by the end of tonight's match, and I didn't even like him much as a heel. And the thought process that led me to such marking out was simple - Cena is the plucky underdog, wouldn't it be great to see him win. What they need to do with Angle is maintain that feeling. WWE, we're not stupid - we know Angle can outwrestle Cena. And, quite frankly, the combined brainpower of Kurt and Eric should be enough to outsmart Cena. But if you turn Cena into that likeable underdog who manages to come through when it counts (shades of Mick Foley) - then you might have something.

There's potential gold in this feud, but it sure ain't in the messy rehash of Austin/McMahon they've been giving us.
Exactly what I think.

It's not that I'm not a fan of Cena, it's just the guys he goes up against (Jericho, Angle, etc.) could all own Cena on any given night, realistically, yet most of the time the WWE tries to make Cena look invincible like he's the world's greatest wrestler, despite the fact 96% of the moves he uses in his matches are illegal.

If the WWE tried to show us the wrestling side of Cena, and had him match *skills* with Jericho and Angle, instead of just hitting them with punches in an attempt to channel Stone Cold, he would be the most sympathetic babyface in the WWE.
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Old 08-23-2005, 01:06 AM   #599
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The trade was Torrie and Candice for Christy and Stacy

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lol, so they can do trades out of nowhere now? That's pretty cool if guys just started showing up on the other show and were like "yea, just got traded"
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