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Old 12-04-2005, 07:54 PM   #561
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Oh I had no idea he was a top prospect. If he's on Petit's level then this trade is dumb. Mets better win the WS in 06 because they are going to be the KC Royals in 08-10
Mets.com said he was a top prospect and his numbers were great, but some people have said he's a #3 guy at best. He's only an Single-A-level prospect anyways, so it's hard to predict this sort of stuff.

He has the potential to be awesome, but he may not be. I dunno, I'm still unsure on the deal. I'd rather have Ramon Hernandez but that's just me. If we get Vazquez for LoDuca and then sign Hernandez/Molina I'd be satisfied.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:13 PM   #563
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Hernandez > LoDuca, no question. But the thing is, there is no way the Mets can land a big catcher without forfeiting a top prospect or prospects. Hernandez and Molina are both Type-A free agents, if the Mets sign one of them, the Padres/Angels will be compensated with the Mets' first round draft pick.

I still don't like this trade for New York because they've given up enough prospects for big name guys that won't be around that long. Hernandez has potential to be a top starter. LoDuca has reached his ceilling, an above average offensive catcher. Also, LoDuca is 34. If NY hadn't already traded Petit this trade might be ok, but LoDuca isn't worth fucking up your teams 3-5 years from now.
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LoDuca is going to suck offensively in Shea. He's overrated defensively as well. Not a trade to get too thrilled about.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:18 PM   #565
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No one rates him high defensively, it's well documented that he is an offensive catcher with poor defense.

He's coming off of a .714 OPS season. Also, his contract his huge. The more I think about it the more retarded this is for the Mets. Probably worse than the Delgado trade.
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Paul Lo Duca
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Dec 4 - The New York Times reports that the Mets are in "very serious" discussions with the Marlins about acquiring catcher Paul Lo Duca. A source told the New York Post that the Marlins would receive a minor-league prospect in return for Lo Duca, 33, who will make $6.25 million in 2006. Lo Duca, a three-time All-Star, hit .283 with six home runs and 57 RBI in 2005.
The Marlins' catcher, who attended Arizona State, has said he would be interested in playing for the D-Backs. But the Palm Beach Post says he has also drawn interest from Colorado and San Diego.

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Juan Pierre
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Cubs?
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Dec 4 - According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Cubs are focusing on acquiring Juan Pierre from the Marlins and trading center fielder Corey Patterson. Talks with the Marlins about Pierre will be one of the Cubs' primary focuses at the winter meetings, the Sun-Times reports.
Don't be surprised if Pierre fills the Yankees' center field void. According to The New York Post, the Marlins have asked for lefty Sean Henn and right-handed reliever Scott Proctor for Pierre, and the Yankees didn't reject the offer.
What makes Pierre attractive is that it's likely a one-year deal, since Pierre can become a free agent after the season and the 2007 class of free-agent center fielders will include Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter and Mike Cameron.
The Marlins also are shopping Pierre to Texas for pitching prospects and perhaps outfielder Laynce Nix, who annoyed Ranger brass by not playing winter ball after missing a good part of the season with an injury.
According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the Mariners also have inquired about Pierre, who's arbitration-eligible after making $3.7 million in 2005.

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A.J. Burnett
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Dec 4 - According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Sunday, the Cardinals are waiting to see if Burnett -- who grew up a Cardinals fan -- will decide to accept the team's four-year offer worth around $40 million. Derek Braunecker, Burnett's agent, said Saturday his client "could have a decision within 48 hours," meaning by Monday afternoon, Peter Gammons reports. Sources told the Post-Dispatch that Burnett is prepared to accept the Cardinals' offer if they could guarantee him a fifth season.
Toronto, St. Louis and Texas are the frontrunners to sign Burnett, although the Mariners, Cubs and Nationals remain in the mix.
The Blue Jays reportedly offered Burnett a five-year deal worth about $50 million.

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Johnny Damon
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Red Sox reach out
Dec 4 - The Boston Herald reported that Johnny Damon, his wife Michelle and agent Scott Boras met with Red Sox president Larry Lucchino over the weekend in Boston, but no deal was imminent. The Sox offered Damon a three-year, $28 million contract last month, but Boras is seeking a seven-year deal worth around $12 million a season for his client, the Herald reported.
"Our priority really is to bring Johnny back," said Jed Hoyer, assistant to the GM, to the Hartford Courant. "We want to keep him in a Red Sox uniform. Of course we're always looking at alternatives, but our priority is to make sure Johnny is in center field for us."
The Yankees say they aren't interested in talking about the center fielder unless the discussion revolves around a three-year deal, the New York Daily News reports.

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ESPNi is not longer an extra sevice as long as you get ESPN Magazine.
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My thoughts on this: WHY? The pitching is just fine. Prior-Wood-Zambrano-Maddux-Rusch/whoever looks perfectly fine to me. They signed Howry and Eyre, and Dempster is solidified as the closer. They do not need any pitching. In fact, I think the Cubs have so much great pitching talent in the minors that it would behoove them to trade 2 or 3 of them to Philly and have Abreu in Cubbie blue next year.

but, that's just me.
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My thoughts on this: WHY? The pitching is just fine. Prior-Wood-Zambrano-Maddux-Rusch/whoever looks perfectly fine to me. They signed Howry and Eyre, and Dempster is solidified as the closer. They do not need any pitching. In fact, I think the Cubs have so much great pitching talent in the minors that it would behoove them to trade 2 or 3 of them to Philly and have Abreu in Cubbie blue next year.

but, that's just me.
Prior - always hurt
Wood - always hurt
Zambrano - head case
Maddux - done
Rusch - who?

trust me. the cubbies need pitching help. if they don't? it'll be well over 100 years before they see the title.
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Headcase? Wasn't Bobby Jenks supposed to be a headcase?

223 IP, 202 K, 3.26 ERA, he can play for my team.

You're right about Prior and Wood though. Way too unreliable.
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Headcase? Wasn't Bobby Jenks supposed to be a headcase?

223 IP, 202 K, 3.26 ERA, he can play for my team.

You're right about Prior and Wood though. Way too unreliable.
BBBJ was a headcase away from the game. I read an article about him about 3 or 4 years when he was first playing single A ball for the Angels and it talked about his family & drinking problems that nearly caused him to give it all up.

Seems to me like he has cleared all that up.

The thing with Zambrano is that he is a headcase now. Wasn't he the one who was out a few weeks with "typing elbow"? Come on now....
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Prior - always hurt
Wood - always hurt
Zambrano - head case
Maddux - done
Rusch - who?

trust me. the cubbies need pitching help. if they don't? it'll be well over 100 years before they see the title.
Didn't your team win the World Series last year? Doesn't that supposively make your team "better" than mine somehow? Yet you still feel the need to trash an inferior team?

Go celebrate your flukey ass World Series win. Cause no things are guaranteed next year. The Indians are shaping up to be pretty monstrous for the next few years. And this is the team that really had you guys in August and September as it was...but then they came up short. Maybe you should focus on the Indians who seem to be more of a threat to the Sux than the lowly Cubs across town who might not even finish better than 4th in their division.

Food for thought.
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Old 12-05-2005, 01:11 AM   #576
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Didn't your team win the World Series last year? Doesn't that supposively make your team "better" than mine somehow? Yet you still feel the need to trash an inferior team?

Go celebrate your flukey ass World Series win. Cause no things are guaranteed next year. The Indians are shaping up to be pretty monstrous for the next few years. And this is the team that really had you guys in August and September as it was...but then they came up short. Maybe you should focus on the Indians who seem to be more of a threat to the Sux than the lowly Cubs across town who might not even finish better than 4th in their division.

Food for thought.
Didn't your team win the World Series this year? Yes.

Flukey ass World Series win? Hardly.

The only reason I'm trashing an "inferior" team is because you cubbie blue fucks are so blinded by sun in your eyes as you sit in the bleachers getting fucked up to realize that the current pitching staff you have will win you shit.

Prior & Wood = not as advertised.

I was just pointing that out.

BTW, dickhead, I am more worried about the Indians next year than I will EVER be about the "lovable losers" that play in the drunk tank they call Wrigley.
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Didn't your team win the World Series this year? Yes.

Flukey ass World Series win? Hardly.

The only reason I'm trashing an "inferior" team is because you cubbie blue fucks are so blinded by sun in your eyes as you sit in the bleachers getting fucked up to realize that the current pitching staff you have will win you shit.

Prior & Wood = not as advertised.

I was just pointing that out.

BTW, dickhead, I am more worried about the Indians next year than I will EVER be about the "lovable losers" that play in the drunk tank they call Wrigley.
Well, hey, guess what? spending $50 million on a sub .500 career pitcher probably aint gonna make Prior and Wood any better is it?

Do you fucking South Siders EVER let any sunshine get in the way of your doom and gloom outlook? I mean, fuck, even YOU were skeptical all season and your team fucking won and you STILL can't have a little sunshine in your life. That's probably why I hate the Sux, their fans are a bunch of miserable fucking bastards.

I guess I don't have to mention some of the questionable at best umpiring that really helped change the momentum of the ALCS when it looked like the Sox were fucked do I? And it still wasnt a fluke? I mean the Sox won every game on their own merit...is this what you're trying to tell me here?
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I dunno lots of articles on top of the trade rumors. A lot of their stuff is archived for insider only. I also like to use their real time feature for games

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Well, hey, guess what? spending $50 million on a sub .500 career pitcher probably aint gonna make Prior and Wood any better is it?

Do you fucking South Siders EVER let any sunshine get in the way of your doom and gloom outlook? I mean, fuck, even YOU were skeptical all season and your team fucking won and you STILL can't have a little sunshine in your life. That's probably why I hate the Sux, their fans are a bunch of miserable fucking bastards.

I guess I don't have to mention some of the questionable at best umpiring that really helped change the momentum of the ALCS when it looked like the Sox were fucked do I? And it still wasnt a fluke? I mean the Sox won every game on their own merit...is this what you're trying to tell me here?
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WHOINTERESTEDTHE SKINNY

Barry Zito
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Dec 5 - The Athletics and Dodgers are talking about a potential trade that would send left-handed starter Barry Zito from Oakland to Los Angeles for outfielder Milton Bradley, the Los Angeles Daily News reports. Officials from both teams are expected to meet Monday at the winter meetings in Dallas. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Rangers are focusing on Zito and have called the A's. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Rangers are offering outfielder Kevin Mench so far.
Other teams believed to be suitors for the former Cy Young winner are the Mets, Diamondbacks, Phillies and Blue Jays.

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Roger Clemens
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Dec 5 - The Astros still are waiting on Roger Clemens to decide if he's coming back for another season, The Houston Chronicle reports. Clemens' agents met with Astros GM Tim Purpura and owner Drayton McLane last week, but Purpura reported no progress.
"We have to be respectful of Roger and what he's going through in trying to recover and feel things out," Purpura told ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick. "But I'm somewhat optimistic, because I think there are a lot of things pulling him back. His performance was tremendous last year. He's still a great competitor, and his son is going to continue to play in our minor-league system. There's a lot there."

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Johnny Damon
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What meeting? Damon facts disputed
Dec 5 - A day after the Boston Herald reported that Johnny Damon, his wife Michelle and agent Scott Boras had face-to-face contract negotiations last week with the Red Sox at a Boston hotel, The Boston Globe says the meeting never happened. Team president Larry Lucchino, in an e-mail exchange Sunday night with The Globe, labeled the Herald article "100 percent false." According to Lucchino, the Red Sox had "no meetings with Scott in Boston last week."
The Red Sox offered Damon a three-year, $28 million contract last month, but Boras is seeking a seven-year deal worth around $12 million a season for his client, the Herald reports.

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Julio Lugo
Devil Rays
Cubs
Lugo available?
Dec 5 - With Rafael Furcal no longer a possibility, the Cubs now will explore trade talks with the Devil Rays for shortstop Julio Lugo and outfielder Aubrey Huff, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.
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Nomar Garciaparra
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Dec 5 - According to the Arizona Republic, the D-Backs have talked about the possibility of signing Nomar Garciaparra as a center fielder. It's also possible, the Republic suggests, that the they could sign Garciaparra as a shortstop to keep the position warm for Stephen Drew, their hot prospect who is more likely to be ready in 2007.
Baltimore is still considering an offer to Garciaparra to play first base, The Washington Post reports. The Cleveland Plain Dealer floats Garciaparra's name in the Indians' search for a right-handed hitter. The Twins had expressed interest in him as a third baseman, but it appears the club may go with Terry Tiffee at the hot corner next year, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.

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Burnett has agree to a 5 year / 55 million deal with Toronto
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:21 PM   #586
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Looking at Burnett's stats reminded me of when Steve Phillips pulled off this genius deal

Marlins get:
AJ Burnett
Jesus Sanchez

Mets get:
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Is that confirmed? - I wouldn't be surprised. Ton of money for AJ and the Jays are going against their own rule this year of signing players for more than 2+1.

Maybe they can get Huff off the Rays now. They took him earlier off waivers, and the Rays pulled him back. I think they were using the waiver wire to test the market.
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It's not official, hes still waiting to see if the Cardinals will give him a 5th year. They've said they won't so expect the signing to be announced officially tomorrow.
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Blue Jays also gave the A's Chad Gaudin today. Good pickup
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A's got Gaudin off of Toronto. Geeze, he was highly touted. Wonder if his short stint in the Jays uni was enough for the Jays to give up on him. Good luck in Oakland, Gaudin.
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He's only like 23 and hes got an amazing slider. Oakland isnt giving up anything, if hes a flop so what. A's cant lose this deal
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I was thinking the PTBNL might be offensive dynamo Keith Ginter. Beane's been trying to git rid of him for a while.


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2005 29 OAK AL 51 137 12 22 5 0 3 25 0 0 13 25 .161 .234 .263 36 2 3 0 1

Hed be an OK backup, in the NL.
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The catcher the A's dropped might have been the right thing for the Jays. Kent Huckabee declined his minor league assignment and I don't know who's going to serve as back up for Zaun. Zaun himself had a decent year for his standards, as much as I like the guy, I'm not so sure he can repeat those stats from just last season.
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John Baker? I dunno, he's pretty bad. He has the offensive stats of a "defensive backup catcher", but he has no defense. Someone like John Flaherty or Todd Pratt would be a better bet
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According to a Sacramento radio station, this deal is done

Oakland gets:
OF Milton Bradley

Los Angeles (Dodgers) gets:
SP Kirk Saarloos
SP Mario Ramos (AAA)

I dunno. I love Saarloos but I think this is probably a good trade for the A's. I would've like to see them get Bradley for Juan Cruz/Joe Kennedy, though.
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Do the A's have room for Bradley? Not too sure what their starting outfielders were last year. I'm guessing Kotsay, Payton, and Swisher were?
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It was generally LF-Payton CF-Kotsay RF-Swisher. Bobby Kielty also split time with Payton and played everyday when Kotsay went down.

Payton and Kotsay are both available, Swisher is not. They could keep all four and have them rotate as the DH. I still think they'll trade Payton for prospects and sign Rondell White.

1. Mark Ellis 2B
2. Milton Bradley LF
3. Bobby Crosby SS
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Zaun also has a terrible arm. Guillermo Quiroz is gonna back up Zaun this year
 
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hearing this Nixon & Clemment for Abreau again, also talk about those 2 to I think the Brewers but I didn't catch for who.

There's talk again of a 3way for Manny. Manny ends up with the Angels, prospects to Arizona and Glaus & Ecstein to boston.

Just heard one about Lowell to Minnesota for JC Romero and prospects, but would require Boston to eat part of Lowells contracts which as a general rule John Henry wont do.

Another one tossed around is if the sox do the deal for manny, then shipping Ecstein and Youkillis to Minnesota for Hunter, which makes it Manny and Youkeliss for Glaus and Hunter...

I don't think anyone really knows... but it's fun hearing all the fish stories.
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