NBA finals prediction thread!!! - Page 15

**The Outlaw** · 05-25-2004, 08:45 PM

If you want to see true dirty basketball watch The Bad Boys

**BCWWF** · 05-25-2004, 10:44 PM

KG was actually retaliating for being elbowed to the floor in the earlier posession.

KG's shoulder to me was a hard nudge to say "Whats up now" to Peeler, whereas Malone put his shoulder down and drilled Martin hard to the floor. But it really is all just how you look at it.

**BCWWF** · 05-25-2004, 10:49 PM

Anyway though, Payton 14 points in the first quarter? What?

**The Outlaw** · 05-26-2004, 12:16 AM

Yeah I guess it does depend on how you look at the situation.

**AlphaBean** · 05-26-2004, 03:22 AM

Hahahahahaha Danny Crawford. Shaq gets the ball... blow the whistle...

That was frustrating... if anyone was touching Shaq it was called a foul.

**The Outlaw** · 05-26-2004, 03:23 AM

That's what they were trying to do.

**AlphaBean** · 05-26-2004, 04:10 AM

Nah. Like, he caught the ball and had no chance of putting it in, and it was whistled. I mean EVERYTHING. They didn't foul him, they were called for fouls. There's a difference. If you touch Shaq, that's a foul. I mean, how can you play basketball without touching someone. All these people did was make contact, even when he initiated it... foul!

Granted I'm not all that upset, because 1) I know it was Danny Crawford, and 2) Since everyone knows it's not going to be called down the middle, the Wolves need to overcome the injuries, the poor officiating and obvious mismatch of talent, and play harder if they want to win. That's all there is to it. Sprewell had three straight good games, it had to end eventually.

**The Outlaw** · 05-26-2004, 04:13 AM

haha

I dunno from what I saw they started fouling him right when the 4th quarter started intentionally. Don't see why you're complaining though considering this was his worst free throw shooting game in a while...?

**AlphaBean** · 05-26-2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

haha

I dunno from what I saw they started fouling him right when the 4th quarter started intentionally. Don't see why you're complaining though considering this was his worst free throw shooting game in a while...?

When everyone gets into foul trouble, it takes away from the game and you know it.

Danny Crawford, remember? KG fouled out. He usually gets 0-1 fouls per game. But against LA... with Danny Crawford... he doesn't last the entire game, and he even sat forever.

**Ben** · 05-26-2004, 05:25 AM

Wolves over Pacers. Too late for a prediction? Ah well...

**Kid Robb** · 05-26-2004, 06:21 AM

Without having read anything on Game 3 of the Wolves-Lakers, the comments about Shaq getting foul calls everytime he goes near it is on the money. I guess it's understandable when teams employ the hack-a-Shaq that there's a backlash of sorts where he gets more calls than normal, but it was getting ridiculous. How are you supposed to defend a guy that big when everytime he throws his ample frame into you, you get called for the foul??

Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant, Malone, Fisher, George, Payton and co. It was the same with the Bulls back in the day, let Michael get 50, but don't let anyone else get off. Sometimes it wasn't enough, but against the Lakers I reckon it would be. If Shaq gets 20 and 20, there's no way in hell anyone will beat them.

If the Wolves are going to win the series, they must win Game 4. If it gets to 5 and it's 3-1, it's over.

**PureHatred** · 05-26-2004, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Robb

Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant, Malone, Fisher, George, Payton and co. It was the same with the Bulls back in the day, let Michael get 50, but don't let anyone else get off. Sometimes it wasn't enough, but against the Lakers I reckon it would be. If Shaq gets 20 and 20, there's no way in hell anyone will beat them.

ROFLMAO...close down Kobe....good one.

Kobe had zero points in the first half and pretty much woke up just long enough to put the game away in the 4th. There's nobody on the T-Wolves that can shut him down. Even in the blowout, he was scoring pretty much at will in Game 2. Your Bulls analogy is faulty because if you let MJ get his, the player you had to shut down was Pippen. Scottie Pippen is nowhere near the level of player Kobe Bryant is.

Game 3 was ugly, but I think since the T-Wolves said in the media they were going to foul Shaq, this was the referee backlash, as has been said before. And Joey Crawford is an idiot. Both team were pissed at the end of the game when he just stared at Mark Madsen as he ran down the court hugginq Shaq. He was obviously fouling him intentionally, he was even yelling it. Crawford had no right to make a "judgment call" on an obvious, intentional foul and if the NBA had any brains they would suspend him for the rest of the playoffs.

**Kid Robb** · 05-28-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred

ROFLMAO...close down Kobe....good one.

Kobe had zero points in the first half and pretty much woke up just long enough to put the game away in the 4th. There's nobody on the T-Wolves that can shut him down. Even in the blowout, he was scoring pretty much at will in Game 2. Your Bulls analogy is faulty because if you let MJ get his, the player you had to shut down was Pippen. Scottie Pippen is nowhere near the level of player Kobe Bryant is.

Game 3 was ugly, but I think since the T-Wolves said in the media they were going to foul Shaq, this was the referee backlash, as has been said before. And Joey Crawford is an idiot. Both team were pissed at the end of the game when he just stared at Mark Madsen as he ran down the court hugginq Shaq. He was obviously fouling him intentionally, he was even yelling it. Crawford had no right to make a "judgment call" on an obvious, intentional foul and if the NBA had any brains they would suspend him for the rest of the playoffs.

close down ***ON***

ON ON ON ON ON ON ON

Obviously you can't shut down Kobe, in the same way you couldn't shut down Pippen. Game 4 the Wolves got hurt in the first half because when they had a lead, Fisher came off the bench and game the Lakers a massive lift. Shaq was almost on or did have a double-double in the first half, but there wasn't a lot else happening other than Fisher coming off the bench big.

The only way the Wolves will win is if they knock down outside shots, don't get beaten so badly on the boards, and don't let the Kobe, Fisher, George, Malone, Payton and co get huge numbers.

Pretty fucking basic.

Doesn't mean it will happen, because it's far easier said than done.

Doesn't help when you can't go within a foot of Shaq without being called for a foul just quietly.

**PureHatred** · 05-28-2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid Robb

Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant...

In honor of that third quarter, I'd just like to point out once again how stupid that comment was.

That is all.

**Kid Robb** · 06-07-2004, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid Robb

Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant, Malone, Fisher, George, Payton and co.

Shaq - 34 and 10
Kobe 25, but on 10-27 (1-4 3pt)
Payton 3
Malone 4
George 5
Fisher 2
Rush 0

Sorry PureHatred you were saying?

Kobe got his, but if he's hoisting 27 shots to get 25 points, I'd cop it.

**BCWWF** · 05-26-2004, 06:52 PM

The Timberwolves obviously played the worse game last night, but the free throws were just rediculous. For a long time the wolves had one attempt to the Lakers 11, but their % made it really not a factor, so I'm not even going to bother to complain.

As for Kobe, he wasn't off or struggling at all in the beginning, he just choose to let his teammates get hot before he took the game over, read Steve Kerr's column on Yahoo! Sports.

I read just about all of the columns on ESPN.com today, and unfortunately Outlaw, it doesn't look like anybody agrees that this wasn't as bad as the KG-Peeler

**AlphaBean** · 05-27-2004, 01:38 AM

I mean come on! Danny Crawford's officiating team did it again!

Flip mentioned it in his press conference. Watch him get suspended for two games for his comments.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-27-2004, 01:52 AM

Shaq was getting a ridiculous amount of calls when I was watching. The only thing againest him is when he hit Maddog Madsen in the face with his elbow and got called for an offensive foul. I figured they were gonna give the foul to Madsen on that play lol

I didnt see a ton of the game tho..I did see Kobe go off for like 10 straight points though...pretty ridiculous.

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 02:33 AM

Yeah they were talking about them fouling Shaq intentionally the whole game

I mean, when you say it takes away from the game, you are saying Ervin Johnson, Mark Madsen, and Kandi are doing something to excite people?

Madsen possibly but only because he is a firecracker but come on now, it's not "taking away from the game"

The Timberwolves said before the series that they had 24 fouls to throw at Shaq and that was exactly what they were going to do. Don't complain about it when they tell you they are going to do it

**AlphaBean** · 05-27-2004, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

Yeah they were talking about them fouling Shaq intentionally the whole game

I mean, when you say it takes away from the game, you are saying Ervin Johnson, Mark Madsen, and Kandi are doing something to excite people?

Madsen possibly but only because he is a firecracker but come on now, it's not "taking away from the game"

The Timberwolves said before the series that they had 24 fouls to throw at Shaq and that was exactly what they were going to do. Don't complain about it when they tell you they are going to do it

Fuck that. You can't call fouls based on what someone said. That's bullshit.

You're seriously justifying this shit acting like you didn't even watch the game. Or were you so blind that you see Shaq hacked every time he touches the ball?

HE WAS NOT FOULED. Don't you understand that? The Wolves didn't even get a chance to foul him.

And then when they finally did, it's not called. I'M FOULING HIM, CALL THE FOUL.

And this was Danny Crawford's team. Figures.

Every team fouls Shaq. You can't justify someone saying they'll foul him for poor officiating. You can't justify poor officiating. YOU might try, yes. But looks like people who aren't Wolves fans agree that the reffing was shit.

And twice I saw the Lakers get called for something, followed by Phil or Kobe yelling at the ref, the ref looking like

then going on the other end and calling something bogus, like a non-existent out of bounds on KG followed by a no-call on a Kobe out of bounds. Whenever the Lakers were called for doing something, they would complain and the Wolves would get called for exactly the same thing, whether they did anything or not.

And Shaq should have only shot like 10 free throws tops.

Preventative referreeing.

I can't believe you actually think that's okay.

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 03:59 AM

You know you're right.

The refs and the NBA and everybody have this huge plan to screw the Wolves.

Every game they lose is due to officiating.

Seriously.

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 04:05 AM

And every time they were put out of the first round in the past, all due to officiating

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 04:06 AM

And when KG lost that game in high school it was also due to Danny Crawford being in attendance

**The Icon of Elisim** · 05-27-2004, 04:47 AM

Don't forget the Joe Smith scandal

**AlphaBean** · 05-27-2004, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim

Don't forget the Joe Smith scandal

The Joe Smith thing is WHY the NBA has beef with the Wolves.

Losing EIGHT FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS?

Over THAT?

What the ******?

----------------------(this part of the post is directed entirely at The Outlaw)

Outlaw no longer can use logic to argue so he's using dim-witted sarcasm. The Wolves always lose when Danny Crawford is officiating. For some reason, he hates them. Whatever. Fact is, he's a bad ref.

Fact is, Outlaw used this line of sarcasm before, IN THIS THREAD. The "OH YEAH WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER LETS JUST SHOOT 3 POINTERS" bullshit.

But yes, Danny Crawford is the root of all evil. He's the reason you're being such an ignorant asshole.

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 07:50 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Icon of Elisim again.

**AlphaBean** · 05-27-2004, 07:57 PM

Phil whined about the reffing in game 2. Then Flip did exactly what Phil did after game 3, said "If Phil can do it I can do it." and afterward, Phil bitched that Flip was just grasping at straws.

What a gay hypocrite. I hate the fact that he's happened to be the coach on two of the strongest teams of all time.

**The Outlaw** · 05-27-2004, 08:13 PM

Yeah Danny Crawford is the reason Phil is a gay hypocrite

Flip reports that he analyzed the game and saw 33 calls that did not go his way

...

**AlphaBean** · 05-27-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

Yeah Danny Crawford is the reason Phil is a gay hypocrite

Flip reports that he analyzed the game and saw 33 calls that did not go his way

...

Basically, the way the Lakers defend KG is by pushing him from the front. That's 100% illegal.

The only way you can beat KG is to cheat. That's what he's saying.

33 times.

**SammyG** · 05-27-2004, 11:28 PM

Lakers 45- Wolves 40 halftime... 3-1 lead is coming baby!!!

**The Outlaw** · 05-28-2004, 12:55 AM

That game was pre-determined by Danny Crawford guys

**AlphaBean** · 05-28-2004, 01:18 AM

Eh I didn't even want to watch that game. Was Crawford officiating? I bet he was. But either way, I got a call pointing out all the bad calls, but I don't really care. I'm not as upset about the Wolves being screwed here, since they would be hard-pressed to win the series without the refs' help... which is why it bugs me AT ALL is that the Lakers can win cleanly, they don't need Danny Crawford fouling KG out.

**BCWWF** · 05-28-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

That game was pre-determined by Danny Crawford guys

How many games have the Wolves won while Danny Crawford has been officiating? Yes, in a way these games have been pre-determined. Unless this is all just a big coincidence

**BCWWF** · 05-28-2004, 01:20 AM

Outlaw you just sound like an idiot, even the most blind fan could see how bias the officiating is in the Staples Center. It also doesn't take a genius to figure out that the NBA is out for money, and nothing else. These playoffs were scheduled to shit, home teams couldn't even sell out their arenas, but put it on national TV, even at 10:00 eastern, and you get more money they putting two on at the same time. So if you are trying to tell me that David Stern and company weren't pushing for a Kings/Lakers final and the Lakers in the Finals, you need to re-evaluate how you look at things.

Now of course it is retarded and lame to blame a whole game on officiating, because Spree once again played like crap and Sam didn't do much either, and Hassell hasn't been a factor all series. It is also retarded to say things like "Danny Crawford is why they lost seven straight," because nobody said that or implied it at all. If you can't tell that ref's are biased, I don't even know what. I was impressed tonight though, they called those T's on Jackson and Payton, I didn't see anything being a big deal, so at least they weren't too bais.

The commentators made a comment something like this "Kevin Garnett hasn't complained about the officiating, but he was definately angry after that no-call," and you know what, Kevin has to come out and say something. The NBA obviously doesn't listen to anybody else, so why not the MVP.

Outlaw, as like other issues discussed on the board, I think you are the only one who doesn't see what the rest of the world see's.

**The Outlaw** · 05-28-2004, 03:02 AM

Actually I don't even know if Crawford called tonights game. I don't think he did.

I actually agree, he is a really shitty ref.

I like that old ref, the one that was on that one commercial dancing

**DaveWadding** · 05-28-2004, 03:23 AM

Somebody explain this Joe Smith business, please?

**The Miz** · 05-28-2004, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding

Somebody explain this Joe Smith business, please?

small forward now with the milwaukee bucks. he played on minnesota the last few years. after the 99-00 season minnesota got caught trying to negotiate a contract in secret with him so they would avoid going over the cap. they got fined 3.5 million dollars and lost all of their 1st round draft picks for the next 5 years.

**Ninti Ishkur** · 05-28-2004, 06:15 AM

Haha Minnesota is going to lose.

**PureHatred** · 05-28-2004, 03:19 PM

First off, Kidd Robb, Scottie Pippen got shut down a lot during the Bulls run. Thats what made all those Knicks/Bulls series so competitive was the fact he never managed to show up.

Secondly, you keep talking about Kobe Bryant like he's the second option. Shaq is getting the ball early because the Lakers have such an advantage down low. But Kobe has basically mailed in the first half in all the Lakers wins, passed the ball around, and then just killed anybody standing in front of him in the second half. Kobe Bryant is the best offensive player in the NBA. He may have his off nights, but any theory that includes " close down on Bryant" is pretty much nonsense.

The Wolves have no one who can guard Kobe. The Wolves have no one who can slow down Shaq, fouls or no fouls. And KG is getting no calls; I don't know if that's because Maone's such a vet or because the Lakers are being more agressive or what. But it's a fact. KG is getting no love from the refs. Minnesota is getting thoroughly dominated in every aspect of the game. And if Szerbiak wasn't shoting the rock so well, these last two games would've been ugly.

Basically, I'd be surprised if this comes back to L.A.

**BCWWF** · 05-28-2004, 07:03 PM

It will take a lot to force a game six, considering the circumstances. Sam can hardly play, Spree has been cold shooting, and the Lakers role-players are spectacular. As one of the Minnesota columnists said today, a win Saturday is just delaying the inevitable.

05-25-2004, 08:45 PM	#1
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	If you want to see true dirty basketball watch The Bad Boys

05-25-2004, 10:44 PM	#2
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	KG was actually retaliating for being elbowed to the floor in the earlier posession. KG's shoulder to me was a hard nudge to say "Whats up now" to Peeler, whereas Malone put his shoulder down and drilled Martin hard to the floor. But it really is all just how you look at it.

05-25-2004, 10:49 PM	#3
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Anyway though, Payton 14 points in the first quarter? What?

05-26-2004, 12:16 AM	#4
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah I guess it does depend on how you look at the situation.

05-26-2004, 03:22 AM	#5
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Hahahahahaha Danny Crawford. Shaq gets the ball... blow the whistle... That was frustrating... if anyone was touching Shaq it was called a foul.

05-26-2004, 03:23 AM	#6
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	That's what they were trying to do.

05-26-2004, 04:10 AM	#7
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Nah. Like, he caught the ball and had no chance of putting it in, and it was whistled. I mean EVERYTHING. They didn't foul him, they were called for fouls. There's a difference. If you touch Shaq, that's a foul. I mean, how can you play basketball without touching someone. All these people did was make contact, even when he initiated it... foul! Granted I'm not all that upset, because 1) I know it was Danny Crawford, and 2) Since everyone knows it's not going to be called down the middle, the Wolves need to overcome the injuries, the poor officiating and obvious mismatch of talent, and play harder if they want to win. That's all there is to it. Sprewell had three straight good games, it had to end eventually.

05-26-2004, 04:13 AM	#8
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	haha I dunno from what I saw they started fouling him right when the 4th quarter started intentionally. Don't see why you're complaining though considering this was his worst free throw shooting game in a while...?

05-26-2004, 05:25 AM	#10
Ben Holier Than Thou Posts: 119	Wolves over Pacers. Too late for a prediction? Ah well...

05-26-2004, 06:21 AM	#11
Kid Robb Mr. Bump Posts: 8,990	Without having read anything on Game 3 of the Wolves-Lakers, the comments about Shaq getting foul calls everytime he goes near it is on the money. I guess it's understandable when teams employ the hack-a-Shaq that there's a backlash of sorts where he gets more calls than normal, but it was getting ridiculous. How are you supposed to defend a guy that big when everytime he throws his ample frame into you, you get called for the foul?? Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant, Malone, Fisher, George, Payton and co. It was the same with the Bulls back in the day, let Michael get 50, but don't let anyone else get off. Sometimes it wasn't enough, but against the Lakers I reckon it would be. If Shaq gets 20 and 20, there's no way in hell anyone will beat them. If the Wolves are going to win the series, they must win Game 4. If it gets to 5 and it's 3-1, it's over.

05-26-2004, 06:52 PM	#16
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The Timberwolves obviously played the worse game last night, but the free throws were just rediculous. For a long time the wolves had one attempt to the Lakers 11, but their % made it really not a factor, so I'm not even going to bother to complain. As for Kobe, he wasn't off or struggling at all in the beginning, he just choose to let his teammates get hot before he took the game over, read Steve Kerr's column on Yahoo! Sports. I read just about all of the columns on ESPN.com today, and unfortunately Outlaw, it doesn't look like anybody agrees that this wasn't as bad as the KG-Peeler

05-27-2004, 01:38 AM	#17
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	I mean come on! Danny Crawford's officiating team did it again! Flip mentioned it in his press conference. Watch him get suspended for two games for his comments.

05-27-2004, 01:52 AM	#18
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Shaq was getting a ridiculous amount of calls when I was watching. The only thing againest him is when he hit Maddog Madsen in the face with his elbow and got called for an offensive foul. I figured they were gonna give the foul to Madsen on that play lol I didnt see a ton of the game tho..I did see Kobe go off for like 10 straight points though...pretty ridiculous.

05-27-2004, 02:33 AM	#19
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah they were talking about them fouling Shaq intentionally the whole game I mean, when you say it takes away from the game, you are saying Ervin Johnson, Mark Madsen, and Kandi are doing something to excite people? Madsen possibly but only because he is a firecracker but come on now, it's not "taking away from the game" The Timberwolves said before the series that they had 24 fouls to throw at Shaq and that was exactly what they were going to do. Don't complain about it when they tell you they are going to do it

05-27-2004, 03:59 AM	#21
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	You know you're right. The refs and the NBA and everybody have this huge plan to screw the Wolves. Every game they lose is due to officiating. Seriously.

05-27-2004, 04:05 AM	#22
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	And every time they were put out of the first round in the past, all due to officiating

05-27-2004, 04:06 AM	#23
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	And when KG lost that game in high school it was also due to Danny Crawford being in attendance

05-27-2004, 04:47 AM	#24
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Don't forget the Joe Smith scandal

05-27-2004, 07:50 PM	#26
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Icon of Elisim again.

05-27-2004, 07:57 PM	#27
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Phil whined about the reffing in game 2. Then Flip did exactly what Phil did after game 3, said "If Phil can do it I can do it." and afterward, Phil bitched that Flip was just grasping at straws. What a gay hypocrite. I hate the fact that he's happened to be the coach on two of the strongest teams of all time.

05-27-2004, 08:13 PM	#28
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah Danny Crawford is the reason Phil is a gay hypocrite Flip reports that he analyzed the game and saw 33 calls that did not go his way ...

05-27-2004, 11:28 PM	#30
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Lakers 45- Wolves 40 halftime... 3-1 lead is coming baby!!!

05-28-2004, 12:55 AM	#31
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	That game was pre-determined by Danny Crawford guys

05-28-2004, 01:18 AM	#32
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Eh I didn't even want to watch that game. Was Crawford officiating? I bet he was. But either way, I got a call pointing out all the bad calls, but I don't really care. I'm not as upset about the Wolves being screwed here, since they would be hard-pressed to win the series without the refs' help... which is why it bugs me AT ALL is that the Lakers can win cleanly, they don't need Danny Crawford fouling KG out.

05-28-2004, 01:20 AM	#34
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Outlaw you just sound like an idiot, even the most blind fan could see how bias the officiating is in the Staples Center. It also doesn't take a genius to figure out that the NBA is out for money, and nothing else. These playoffs were scheduled to shit, home teams couldn't even sell out their arenas, but put it on national TV, even at 10:00 eastern, and you get more money they putting two on at the same time. So if you are trying to tell me that David Stern and company weren't pushing for a Kings/Lakers final and the Lakers in the Finals, you need to re-evaluate how you look at things. Now of course it is retarded and lame to blame a whole game on officiating, because Spree once again played like crap and Sam didn't do much either, and Hassell hasn't been a factor all series. It is also retarded to say things like "Danny Crawford is why they lost seven straight," because nobody said that or implied it at all. If you can't tell that ref's are biased, I don't even know what. I was impressed tonight though, they called those T's on Jackson and Payton, I didn't see anything being a big deal, so at least they weren't too bais. The commentators made a comment something like this "Kevin Garnett hasn't complained about the officiating, but he was definately angry after that no-call," and you know what, Kevin has to come out and say something. The NBA obviously doesn't listen to anybody else, so why not the MVP. Outlaw, as like other issues discussed on the board, I think you are the only one who doesn't see what the rest of the world see's.

05-28-2004, 03:02 AM	#35
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Actually I don't even know if Crawford called tonights game. I don't think he did. I actually agree, he is a really shitty ref. I like that old ref, the one that was on that one commercial dancing

05-28-2004, 03:23 AM	#36
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Somebody explain this Joe Smith business, please?

05-28-2004, 06:15 AM	#38
Ninti Ishkur Posts: 181	Haha Minnesota is going to lose.

05-28-2004, 03:19 PM	#39
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	First off, Kidd Robb, Scottie Pippen got shut down a lot during the Bulls run. Thats what made all those Knicks/Bulls series so competitive was the fact he never managed to show up. Secondly, you keep talking about Kobe Bryant like he's the second option. Shaq is getting the ball early because the Lakers have such an advantage down low. But Kobe has basically mailed in the first half in all the Lakers wins, passed the ball around, and then just killed anybody standing in front of him in the second half. Kobe Bryant is the best offensive player in the NBA. He may have his off nights, but any theory that includes " close down on Bryant" is pretty much nonsense. The Wolves have no one who can guard Kobe. The Wolves have no one who can slow down Shaq, fouls or no fouls. And KG is getting no calls; I don't know if that's because Maone's such a vet or because the Lakers are being more agressive or what. But it's a fact. KG is getting no love from the refs. Minnesota is getting thoroughly dominated in every aspect of the game. And if Szerbiak wasn't shoting the rock so well, these last two games would've been ugly. Basically, I'd be surprised if this comes back to L.A.

05-28-2004, 07:03 PM	#40
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	It will take a lot to force a game six, considering the circumstances. Sam can hardly play, Spree has been cold shooting, and the Lakers role-players are spectacular. As one of the Minnesota columnists said today, a win Saturday is just delaying the inevitable.