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Old 02-04-2009, 10:37 AM   #1
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Scott Boras quote obtained by Yahoo's Tim Brown, which apparently refers to the Dodgers:

"What I do know, you better watch out when you’re playing chicken."

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Royals sign Brian Bannister for 1-year, $1.7 mil.

Mets are shopping Ramon Castro around.

Yankees trade Chase Wright to the Brewers for Eric Fryer.

Rockies trade Corey Wimberly to the A's for Matt Murton.
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That's assuming of course that Manny replicates his .390 avg and rbi per game pace that he put up last year and doesn't turn into a 37 year old primadonna who just got a huge guaranteed paycheck and has zero motivation to produce.
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And assuming that you value one old guy who plays no defense and a history of dogging it over a multi gold glover, a younger, cheaper power hitter who still has upside, and a solid, proven back end starter who might be just a slightly better option than your current choice of Eric Stults.


Of course Hanso, being a Yankees fan, I can't say I'm surprised that you'd rather have Manny. Signing aging talent clearly has a proven track record.
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And assuming that you value one old guy who plays no defense and a history of dogging it over a multi gold glover, a younger, cheaper power hitter who still has upside, and a solid, proven back end starter who might be just a slightly better option than your current choice of Eric Stults.


Of course Hanso, being a Yankees fan, I can't say I'm surprised that you'd rather have Manny. Signing aging talent clearly has a proven track record.

that Solid Proven starter is just as likely to drop off as Manny.

And Come on, Dunn's best years are no where near Manny's Down years.

Even if Manny goes back to being Manny, he is going to put up a .290, 30, 100 year. Plus he is a clutch player, and a feard hitter which will protect the guys around him.

Dunn is going to probably hit .230, 40, 90 in that lineup, provide no better defense, strikeout a ton and provide no clutch or protection.

I will take a guy that puts it in play rather than Ks 160 times.
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And assuming that you value one old guy who plays no defense and a history of dogging it over a multi gold glover, a younger, cheaper power hitter who still has upside, and a solid, proven back end starter who might be just a slightly better option than your current choice of Eric Stults.


Of course Hanso, being a Yankees fan, I can't say I'm surprised that you'd rather have Manny. Signing aging talent clearly has a proven track record.
Aging or not, Dunn, Hudson and Wolf do not make the Dodgers all that much better. Manny does.

Its not even close.
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I dunno, man. Yeah Manny is a great player, but all this contract drama makes me skeptical about him being a positive clubhouse influence. The 3 player package seems like such a better idea to me.

Your defense gets better because while Dunn and Manny are about the same in left, your infield improves greatly with Hudson.

You lose about 20 rbis and about .100 OPS from your LF but you gain Hudson's .800 OPS that I don't think Blake DeWitt will come close to matching. And I know you don't believe me but I swear Dunn has not peaked. You give Mattingly a chance to break Dunn of all the bad habits he developed playing at Great American and he could very well be a .270, 1.000 OPS guy.

And most importantly your rotation gets better with Wolf even if he's injury prone.

It's two different philosophies and both can work I just don't see signing Manny as being a better investment.
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I dunno, man. Yeah Manny is a great player, but all this contract drama makes me skeptical about him being a positive clubhouse influence. The 3 player package seems like such a better idea to me.

Your defense gets better because while Dunn and Manny are about the same in left, your infield improves greatly with Hudson.

You lose about 20 rbis and about .100 OPS from your LF but you gain Hudson's .800 OPS that I don't think Blake DeWitt will come close to matching. And I know you don't believe me but I swear Dunn has not peaked. You give Mattingly a chance to break Dunn of all the bad habits he developed playing at Great American and he could very well be a .270, 1.000 OPS guy.

And most importantly your rotation gets better with Wolf even if he's injury prone.

It's two different philosophies and both can work I just don't see signing Manny as being a better investment.
Its good points. I just prefer proven commodities over the chance to something great.

None of those guys have ever carried a team.

When is the last time a team with Manny on it didnt make the playoffs?

He is just one of those guys that are worth every penny and every headache.
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I dunno, man. Yeah Manny is a great player, but all this contract drama makes me skeptical about him being a positive clubhouse influence. The 3 player package seems like such a better idea to me.

Your defense gets better because while Dunn and Manny are about the same in left, your infield improves greatly with Hudson.

You lose about 20 rbis and about .100 OPS from your LF but you gain Hudson's .800 OPS that I don't think Blake DeWitt will come close to matching. And I know you don't believe me but I swear Dunn has not peaked. You give Mattingly a chance to break Dunn of all the bad habits he developed playing at Great American and he could very well be a .270, 1.000 OPS guy.

And most importantly your rotation gets better with Wolf even if he's injury prone.

It's two different philosophies and both can work I just don't see signing Manny as being a better investment.

If anyone can help Dunn it is Donnie Baseball. But the guy is coming up on 30, and is 8 years into the majors with worsening habits each year.

Donnie is not Jesus He can't work miracles.

He couldnt even get Andruw jones above 240....
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Well if he's not getting any good offers, he's better off getting surgery, taking the time to heal correctly, sign with a contending team in August and cash in next winter.
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How good is the public transit systems to get to the ballpark?
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Yeah, it's actually pretty easy to make it to Shea (or what's left of it) via the LIRR. The 7 (subway) train also has a stop nearby. (Edit: AssMan beat me while I was looking for Twins ballpark pics)

I'm originally from Wisconsin but go to school out on Long Island, so I see Shea/CitiField every time I'm on my way to/from LaGuardia. When I went home for winter break, they had huge "WELCOME J.J. AND K-ROD" messages up on the LCD screens -- it looks amazing.

I know Mets fans like Vito are probably having a hard time seeing Shea get torn down, but it's definitely going to be worth it. Citi Field is going to be absolutely incredible...you'll forget about Shea after a few weeks there.

The Twins' new outdoor stadium seems to be coming along pretty well, too, but it's not going to open until 2010 IIRC. I still think it's ridiculously stupid to build an open-air stadium in Minnesota and not try to build a retractable roof, but I guess it's their prerogative if they want to sit through 30 degree night games in April and September.



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Holy shit, A-Rod tested positive for steroids in 2003.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

I'm starting to think Aaron's record will never cleanly be broken.
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I would probably cry if the following people ever had positive tests in the past:

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Rangers sign Brendan Donnelly to a minor league deal. 1-year, $950K. He also has a clause that if he doesn't make the major league roster from March 27-April 27, he can ask to be released.

Giants offer Joe Crede a 1-year contract. No money has been announced yet.

With the Giants and Dodgers making moves, you think Manny and Boras will bite the bullet and take a 1 or 2 year deal pretty soon?
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Manny should have never turned down the 2 year offer from the Dodgers in the first place. That's the best he was gonna get.
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Phillies agree with Ryan Howard on a 3-year, $54 million extension

Andruw Jones expected to sign a minor league deal with the Rangers
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Bobby Abreu might be forced to take a 1 year deal for as little as $3 million. I'm not an Abreu fan but at that price I'd bring him in...even if it means having Daniel Murphy (who I like a lot) start in Triple A.
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Gotta name all 104 guys now
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Torn about A-Rod, I mean he was the guy who baseball couldn't have caught. Supposed to be the savior, now he's tarnished.

But as a Yankee fan, at least it wasn't when he was in pinstripes
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A-Rod sure knows how to take pressure off his teammates. Reporters won't even know CC or Tex are at spring training with all the questions Alex will get. But seriously, it sucks since he was supposed to be the one to take over the HR record and make it "clean" again. Now I just don't trust that anybody didn't do steroids. No name will surprise me now. And really, when some of the most talented guys in the majors before they took steroids felt like they had to do it, no wonder fringe players and average ballplayers did it.

Hopefully they just release all the names now and at least try to move forward. If not, a name will be leaked out here and there all season and this will never stop. Plus, I'm sure its not A-Rod and 100 utility guys or fringe players on the list. There must be some more big names.
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This must really suck for the Player's Union. They need to back A-Rod but the only way to get the attention off of him would be if the other names were to be released.
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Also, all 104 names on the list probably won't be the half of it. Just the ones stupid enough to get caught.

I mean, I'm pretty sure that players were aware that they would be tested before the 2003 season, and still 104 players got caught? How stupid can they be.
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I actually know some Yankee fans who are happy about this because it now means that out of the three big SS's of 10 years ago, A-Rod cheated and Nomar faded to nothing...meaning Jeter has to be considered the top shortstop of this era of baseball.

I kinda think A-Rod is the only Earth-shattering name of the 104...because if another HUGE name was on it, why wouldn't that have been leaked either?
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I actually know some Yankee fans who are happy about this because it now means that out of the three big SS's of 10 years ago, A-Rod cheated and Nomar faded to nothing...meaning Jeter has to be considered the top shortstop of this era of baseball.

I kinda think A-Rod is the only Earth-shattering name of the 104...because if another HUGE name was on it, why wouldn't that have been leaked either?
Pretty terrible Yankees fans if they're happy A-Rod cheated. They do know he is gonna be in NY for the next 9 years right? He's gonna be in NY after Jeter is gone and he'll always have this hanging over him now.

I dunno, I'd think there would be some more "household" names on the list. I'm sure A-Rod is the biggest but I can't imagine all the rest are bench guys or something. Unless A-Rod is really that stupid to be the only big name caught. And from what I've read, the only reason A-Rods name was leaked is because the two people that came out with the article were writing a different story on him and somehow got in touch with these sources or whatever about A-Rod.
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Yeah I agree, their way of thinking is retarded...but admittedly, I'm pretty certain they would suck Jeter's cock if given the chance...they look for every excuse possible to put him over, including at the expense of his teammates.

A-Rod has come clean and admitted that he did it...I kinda hope the other players named all confess as well. The sooner everybody fesses up, the sooner we can put this era behind us.
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Apparently he used in his Texas years. 2001-2003.

Hopefully the list of 104 just gets made public so people can stop speculating and leaking names and everything. Obviously those 104 names probably won't scratch the surface of who did steroids during the era but it'll at least get those names out of the way.
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A-Rod has now admitted to using steroids.

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NEW YORK (AP) - Alex Rodriguez admitted Monday that he used performance-enhancing drugs from 2001-03 when he played for the Texas Rangers.

"Back then it was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young. I was stupid," the New York Yankees star said in an interview with ESPN. "I was naive, and I wanted to prove to everyone that, you know, I was worth, you know — and being one of the greatest players of all time.

His admission came two days after Sports Illustrated reported he tested positive for steroids in 2003, one of 104 players who tested positive during baseball's survey testing, which wasn't subject to discipline.

"It was such a loosey-goosey era. I'm guilty for a lot of things. I'm guilty for being negligent, naive, not asking all the right questions," Rodriguez said. "To be quite honest, I don't know exactly what substance I was guilty of using."

SI.com reported he tested positive for Primobolan and testosterone.

"And I did take a banned substance and, you know, for that I'm very sorry and deeply regretful. And although it was the culture back then and Major League Baseball overall was very — I just feel that — you know, I'm just sorry. I'm sorry for that time. I'm sorry to fans. I'm sorry for my fans in Texas. It wasn't until then that I ever thought about substance of any kind, and since then I've proved to myself and to everyone that I don't need any of that."

Rodriguez directly contradicted a December 2007 interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," when he said, "No" when asked whether he's ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance.

"I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field," he said then. "I felt that if I did my, my work as I've done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any level."

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