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Old 01-01-2016, 08:31 AM   #1
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Yeah I respect his opinion to, I mean he the reason for all of it. I think he may be having a little bit of regret about not being involved or even selling to Disney and I can get that. I personally feel that The Force Awakens did everything it needed for the franchise and got a whole new generation of fans interested in Star Wars. Something completely new might have done the trick as well but we will never know. I think making a movie for the fans was the right choice and don't really understand that bit of criticism from Lucas.
It's because he doesn't want to make or see that movie. He thinks the movie the movie they want is terrible, because it doesn't match his overall story. Telling his story is the only thing that matters to him.
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Old 01-01-2016, 07:08 AM   #2
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I think he kinda stinks as a director and script writer, but he knows Star Wars. The best case would have been to adapt his own treatment for 7-8-9. I'm sure Disney is gonna do well, but we'll never really know how the story was going to continue. Also, certain EU elements he already signed off on had a higher chance of being filmed if he was still in charge.

He certainly wouldn't have made a soft-remake of A New Hope.
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I think he kinda stinks as a director and script writer, but he knows Star Wars. The best case would have been to adapt his own treatment for 7-8-9. I'm sure Disney is gonna do well, but we'll never really know how the story was going to continue. Also, certain EU elements he already signed off on had a higher chance of being filmed if he was still in charge.

He certainly wouldn't have made a soft-remake of A New Hope.
He does stink as a director and script writer. We have 2 horrible movies, and 1 "ok" movie to prove that.

George Lucas does haveas great ideas though. just having the idea for Star Wars is amazing in itself. The prequels too are even pa great idea, and it is really visioniary work to create this huge universe that he did. However at some point he lost the ability to be able to put his ideas on screen in a convincing fashion.

The Clone Wars animated series is a good example of George Lucas being on his game. Lot of those ideas on that show come from him, and he was able to successfully hand stuff off to the people on that show who could properly visualize it for him. If he could do that with his movies, and didn't have do be involved with every job and detail I bet episodes 1.2, & 3 would have been better.
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I think he kinda stinks as a director and script writer, but he knows Star Wars. The best case would have been to adapt his own treatment for 7-8-9. I'm sure Disney is gonna do well, but we'll never really know how the story was going to continue. Also, certain EU elements he already signed off on had a higher chance of being filmed if he was still in charge.

He certainly wouldn't have made a soft-remake of A New Hope.
Who cares about filming the EU? Why would anyone want that filmed except the fan boys who wrote it?
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:04 PM   #5
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Who cares about filming the EU? Why would anyone want that filmed except the fan boys who wrote it?
Are you fucking insane?

There's shit from the EU that would have been balls out awesome if it were filmed. And fanboys? The main issue with TFA is Abrams is too much of a New Hope fanboy.

I can not believe what you're saying right now.
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Are you fucking insane?

There's shit from the EU that would have been balls out awesome if it were filmed. And fanboys? The main issue with TFA is Abrams is too much of a New Hope fanboy.

I can not believe what you're saying right now.
I agree... I remember an all black star destroyer that could do death star like damage that a clone of palpatine flew around in.
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His comments are all BS. he likes to make things different every movie? He used 2 Death Stars, wound up on tattooine in 5 movies, shoe horned in chewbacca and boba Fett into the prequels, somehow thought Anakin building 3po was a good idea.

Just because he created it doesnt give him a free pass to consitently make bad decisions.

The prequels weren't just had films. They were terrible from their core.
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:30 PM   #8
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Ok fanboy. No wonder you didn't like the movie with your poor taste
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Ok fanboy. No wonder you didn't like the movie with your poor taste
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:34 PM   #10
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A New Hope got everyone that is a Star Wars fan interested in the franchise. The Force Awakens does that for a whole new generation. I wasn't born when a New Hope came out but my dad had the VHS( actually still have it, when I was 5 the trailor we were living in got taken in a flood and we were watching it as the water got up and its the only thing we took out of the trailor at the moment). I didn't think the prequals were bad but they did have bad moments. They were the first Star Wars films I seen in theaters and with The Force Awakens I walked out completley satisfied feeling like I had just seen a great movie. JJ using New Hope as a base for this film was probably the best thing that could have happened. It reminded old fans of the past while making the wonder about the future of the franchise.
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You are wrong. It wasn't an issue until Poe sends him on his way. After that show me a moment that they would've had time to fucking paint him.
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:49 PM   #12
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If there's anything I learned about the internet is you can make a simple statement and people will miss your point/misrepresent you. And then you can commit a fucking essay clarifying and elaborating it and people still will miss your point/misrepresent you.
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If there's anything I learned about the internet is you can make a simple statement and people will miss your point/misrepresent you. And then you can commit a fucking essay clarifying and elaborating it and people still will miss your point/misrepresent you.
Listen man. You're really annoying. I don't mind having a discussion with anyone about anything, but you talk like an asshole with no social skills, so people generally just don't want to deal with you. There's nothing necessarily wrong with any of your theories, but the way you address everything is pretty much the worst.

You're eloquent enough, and you have passion for the subject matter and that is awesome, but dial down your tone a notch or two and this thread would be great.
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:52 PM   #14
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And the nerve calling people fanboys when he's deflecting even the most benign criticisms of this movie. That is next level shit.
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I don't really see the point in painting BB-8. If you paint him then you don't get figured out and you don't have a movie really. Don't know when she would have time to paint him either.
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I don't really see the point in painting BB-8. If you paint him then you don't get figured out and you don't have a movie really. Don't know when she would have time to paint him either.
The point is yes it would've been great to paint him but there never a moment to even do that
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I don't remember seeing any other BB units in the movie either but I might have missed it if there was. Might have been funny for the First Order to have a line up of BB units and BB-8 was painted or something but other than that I really don't see painting it being a priority.
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Nope.

TPWW has taught me we are all package deals. Thanks for recognizing my better traits, and I do not mean to be an asshole, but I'm not 'toning down', sorry.
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Do as I do and just argue the points. Plenty of you guys have eccentricities that annoy me, but you can trust that I will stay on point and accept you all as you are.

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I just don't think the EU is a standard to judge anything nor not sure why you would want a bunch of stories filmed that you already know what happens. That worked out terribly for the prequels because it takes the drama out of most situations.

In addition I think they are poor stories. To each their own. Happy New Year
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I just don't think the EU is a standard to judge anything nor not sure why you would want a bunch of stories filmed that you already know what happens. That worked out terribly for the prequels because it takes the drama out of most situations.
What?

The prequel movies had very little to do with what the EU had out at the time. In fact the prequels introduced EU premises rather than the other way around.

There is a possibility you do not understand what we mean when we mention the EU.
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I'm not saying they did.
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I understand perfectly fine what EU is
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He wasn't saying that the EU had anything to do with the prequels he was just pointing out that people knew the outcome of episodes 1,2,&3 so it took something away from the films. He was saying if you just remake a EU story some people will know it and it would take away from the film.
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Thank you for putting it better than me
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I think asserting that we 'knew' what was going to happen in the prequels because we knew the set-up for A New Hope is comical.

Nobody during any of the pre-release discussions of any of those movies 'knew' what was going to happen. What the fuck?

Yeah there's gonna be Clone Wars, and Obi will fight Vader, and Padme is going to have twins. You consider these spoilers? Are you against the concept of prequels in general?

"No need to make X-Men First Class we know how things will end up." Really?
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I think asserting that we 'knew' what was going to happen in the prequels because we knew the set-up for A New Hope is comical.

Nobody during any of the pre-release discussions of any of those movies 'knew' what was going to happen. What the fuck?

Yeah there's gonna be Clone Wars, and Obi will fight Vader, and Padme is going to have twins. You consider these spoilers? Are you against the concept of prequels in general?

"No need to make X-Men First Class we know how things will end up." Really?
Yes REALLY.
I like 1-3,although I loath to admit it, but we knew that several things had to happen to get us to A New Hope and to some extent that took away from the impact of the films. Adapting the EU works to film works the same way. Yes the movies would be good but the journey we take would be different because we literally know how it ends.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:22 AM   #28
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Yes REALLY.
I like 1-3,although I loath to admit it, but we knew that several things had to happen to get us to A New Hope and to some extent that took away from the impact of the films.
What would you have Lucas do?

Not have the prequels end setting up the Deathstar trilogy? What are you asking for? This is why I wondered if you guys actually had an issue with prequel stories as a concept.

Ridley Scott went out of his way to keep Prometheus from ending on a note that leads to Alien. It was one of the biggest criticisms on the movie. Ridley and Fox's response? The Prometheus sequel is now called Alien, with a greater effort to bridge the two eras.

Prequels are expected to set up what they proceed, with the point being that we explore the hows and whys. If your issue with a prequel is its unavoidable goal, I dunno what to tell you.

They're talking about doing a TV series based on Krypton. But why? We know it blows up.

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Adapting the EU works to film works the same way.
Let me clarify what I mean by adapting story and character elements of the EU for film (I was gonna save this for the thread but I suppose I can say so here).

I do not mean adapting the stories line for line in a Watchmen kind of way. No direct adaptations. I'm one of the few guys on here documented to not take much issue with loose adaptations. I really don't mind so long as the spirit and theme of the source material is respected. That is what I mean by that. I should have been more clear before.
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I just don't think the EU is a standard to judge anything nor not sure why you would want a bunch of stories filmed that you already know what happens. That worked out terribly for the prequels because it takes the drama out of most situations.

In addition I think they are poor stories. To each their own. Happy New Year
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He wasn't saying that the EU had anything to do with the prequels he was just pointing out that people knew the outcome of episodes 1,2,&3 so it took something away from the films. He was saying if you just remake a EU story some people will know it and it would take away from the film.
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Yes REALLY.
I like 1-3,although I loath to admit it, but we knew that several things had to happen to get us to A New Hope and to some extent that took away from the impact of the films. Adapting the EU works to film works the same way. Yes the movies would be good but the journey we take would be different because we literally know how it ends.
My comprehension is fine. I think your memory is the problem. You, simple fan, and fastway, all specifically state up there that the nature of prequels hurts the film. How can that be interpretted any other way?
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My comprehension is fine. I think your memory is the problem. You, simple fan, and fastway, all specifically state up there that the nature of prequels hurts the film. How can that be interpretted any other way?
Imo opinion it does. It doesn't make them bad films but for me knowing the end result takes away from the overall enjoyment of the films. O feel the same way about remakes, for me to truely enjoy one it has to bring something new to the table otherwise it's just meh.

Your opinion is different and that is fine.
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No but you knew the end game. You knew that young Skywalker would become Darth Vader and have a set of twins. It was cool to see how it all went down and I enjoyed them but there was that feeling of I know how this will end.
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No but you knew the end game.
And what I'm saying is entertaining this kind of criticism is literally the rejection of the very concept of prequel stories. Of course we know the endgame, the point is how did we get there.

Hell, you just murdered nearly half of Arrow's story telling. I mean we know the endgame; he gets off the island and puts on a suit. So why bother, right?

That is what you're saying right now.
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Actually Arrow's a bad example, since they use their flashbacks in a 'concurrent revelation' sort of way.

A better example would be again X-Men First Class. Or Star Trek Enterprise. Gotham. Smallville. That Underworld prequel. So on and so forth. Are you against prequel stories?

Also, the Star Wars prequel trilogy had WAY more problems than us knowing Anakin grows up to be a dick.
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In general no, adapting stories ready written is fine but there has been a whole set of 3 movies that do that. I'd much rather see new characters like we got. I've also stated several times I don't find the EU characters that interesting.

You may want to see them. I have no interest. Most of it in my opinion is just crap. Enjoy it all you want
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I'm not against them but was just agreeing that knowing the end game does take away from some of the drama. I don't connect them with the likes of Arrow, Smallville, Gotham and things like that because those are their own universe separate from what made them popular to begin with. The Star Wars prequals are directly connected to episodes 6,7,&8 unlike any episode of a comic book TV show. I'm not bashing the prequals as I said I enjoyed them and it was cool to see how everything went down.
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Is there really a discussion here about why a droid wasn't painted to disguise it in a movie?

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To get back on topic of the movie I know Vader's lightsaber feel down to the same place the Emperor did but do you think they're is any chance of it making a n appearance? I could see Ren wanting to find it since he traets the helmet as a piece of worship.
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To get back on topic of the movie I know Vader's lightsaber feel down to the same place the Emperor did but do you think they're is any chance of it making a n appearance? I could see Ren wanting to find it since he traets the helmet as a piece of worship.
It's possible. I doubt it and wouldn't care for it because that would be a little tough to explain but you never know
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It's possible. I doubt it and wouldn't care for it because that would be a little tough to explain but you never know
Yeah, the more I think about it the less it seems possible or even needed. Ren already has a bad ass lightsaber and Vaders wouldnt really wouldnt have anything to do unless it gave Kylo Ren a vison like Rey. I could see that as Ren touches it and gets a vison of what he needs to do to become a great Sith lord like his Grandfather. Really feel like Episode 8 will be more centered around Kylo Ren becoming Sith unless the Sith is completly dead.
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Kalyx, please list your top five Expanded Universe moments/characters you would have liked to see done in film. Please back up each choice with an essay explaining why.
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