Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[Emperor Smeat]

Ratings ended up being a 2.93 which managed to be the lowest rated post-Rumble show since 1997.

Last year had around 320k more people watching while the yearly trend since 2011 is around the same drop range.

Post Rumble Raw viewership: 2016 4.09M, 2015 4.41M, 2014 4.70M, 2013 5.01M, 2012 5.21M, 2011 5.29M, 2010 5.29M. #DoomWatch @prowrestling

— Keith Harris (@glasgowkjh) January 26, 2016

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball Ratings ended up being a 2.93 which managed to be the lowest rated post-Rumble show since 1997. Last year had around 320k more people watching while the yearly trend since 2011 is around the same drop range. Post Rumble Raw viewership: 2016 4.09M, 2015 4.41M, 2014 4.70M, 2013 5.01M, 2012 5.21M, 2011 5.29M, 2010 5.29M. #DoomWatch @prowrestling — Keith Harris (@glasgowkjh) January 26, 2016

More from the people thinking the tv landscape is the same as 2010. It's cute.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick More from the people thinking the tv landscape is the same as 2010. It's cute.

Says the guy who's never sat in, been involved with or been responsible for a business affairs, sales or ratings meeting at a major media or entertainment company, let alone negotiated or been involved with agreements for the rights to public performances or broadcast of intellectual property.

It's annoying and full of shit.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Says the guy who's never sat in, been involved with or been responsible for a business affairs, sales or ratings meeting at a major media or entertainment company, let alone negotiated or been involved with agreements for the rights to public performances or broadcast of intellectual property. It's annoying and full of shit.

Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject?

Btw lol

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject? Btw lol

No. My point was I think you're full of shit and your opinions and arguments are worthless. Especially since you won't name your supposedly credible and trustworthy "sources".

That being said, you're mildly entertaining from the perspective that it's like arguing with an immature teenager who actually has no idea what they're talking about but thinks they know everything and more than anyone else.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject? Btw lol

You completely ignored the part where I basically said you don't know what you're talking about re: tv/media ratings because you 1. don't have any actual experience with anything you claim to know so much about and 2. you won't name any of your "sources" because it's "not worth getting into".

[BigCrippyZ]

I basically questioned you and your source's expertise and credibility and all you've responded with is it's not worth getting into.

I wish I could do that when citing a legal principle or source to justify my argument and reasoning. "Your honor, I didn't cite any actual sources here or provide for their credibility because it's not worth getting into."

I'm legitimately interested in learning from you and having a detailed discussion, IF you can show why yourself and your "sources" are credible and experts in the field in which you claim to know so very much.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ I basically questioned you and your source's expertise and credibility and all you've responded with is it's not worth getting into. I wish I could do that when citing a legal principle or source to justify my argument and reasoning. "Your honor, I didn't cite any actual sources here or provide for their credibility because it's not worth getting into." I'm legitimately interested in learning from you and having a detailed discussion, IF you can show why yourself and your "sources" are credible and experts in the field in which you claim to know so very much.

Were all a bunch of dudes expressing opinions on a message board that maybe 30 people read. There's no standard to live up to. No matter what I say on here, I will be painted as being offbase because I dont fall into the narrative that you guys believe to be gospel.

But that aside, the VAST majority of what I say can all be backed up with ratings data. I dont have the desire to do research for you people. If you think cable TV ratings are as high as they've ever been, go ahead, believe that. If you dont think USA is doing high fives because they now have shows on multiple days of the week that are at or near the top in viewership, well I dont know what proof you need to buy into that? Do I need to show receipts for champagne bottles sent to USA's head office?

Here's some real numbers from January 18th. NBA had literally the biggest game they can put on (Cavs vs Warriors), and it only beat RAW 200K 18-49 viewers. Overall RAW BEAT IT by 150K viewers. So if you guys feel WWE drawing more viewers than the biggest NBA regular season game possible, I really dont know how to help you. By that standard, everything on cable outside maybe Walking Dead and MNF is doing terribly and they should all be worried about being cancelled.

Then this week WWE draws well over 1 million more viewers than every regular program on cable that night. It beat the NBA game that day by OVER 2.5 million viewers. Let me repeat that. WWE RAW drew MORE THAN 2.5 million additional viewers than the national NBA game. Do you think NBA ratings were higher in 2010? I bet they were. Do you think NBA is dying?

You guys who try to debate me on ratings are really sad in that you so want to believe a narrative to be true, but you dont understand what is going on in the industry. But there's enough of you who believe the same thing, so you pat each other on the back and say "CyNick is full of shit". Like I said, its cute.

[#1-norm-fan]

One day I'm gonna take all the quotes of CyNick changing the subject, strawmanning or blatantly ignoring damning points and put them all in one big post. And I'm just gonna post that as a response every time he does it again.

I figure if he's a troll then be won't be getting the passionate response he's looking for and he'll just get tired of it and quit. On the other hand, if he's serious then eventually having all of that shoved in his face repeatedly will make something click... eventually... one would think. Either way, it's probably the only thing left to do at this point.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan One day I'm gonna take all the quotes of CyNick changing the subject, strawmanning or blatantly ignoring damning points and put them all in one big post. And I'm just gonna post that as a response every time he does it again. I figure if he's a troll then be won't be getting the passionate response he's looking for and he'll just get tired of it and quit. On the other hand, if he's serious then eventually having all of that shoved in his face repeatedly will make something click... eventually... one would think. Either way, it's probably the only thing left to do at this point.

I feel like this is your calling. We all need a purpose in life, this should be yours.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I feel like this is your calling. We all need a purpose in life, this should be yours.

You do those things quite a lot. It might take weeks to wrangle up all the posts of you being borderline retarded. I'm up for the challenge though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously though, what is Raw's competition on Monday nights?

I know there are 15 year old re-runs of Family Guy on Adult Swim that usually give it a run for it's money in the key demo. And I know that Love and Hip Hop show was beating it a while back in overall viewers but I don't think it's on anymore. Pretty sure that's it. lol

[Big Vic]

I don't watch. More people say that each year.

[#1-norm-fan]

Pretty sure all the compliments I've seen about Ambrose-Owens has been about the matches and not the brilliant story behind them.

Also pretty sure that was kinda Vito's point.

[drave]

Outside of Owens losing the title, I had no idea why the hell they were fighting and didn't really care.

They had a helluva match (match of the night, easily, by far) which is unquestionably what viewers are complimenting.


On a side note, I wonder how many fellas in the back are high-fiving and congratulating them both on their "amazing plot advancement".

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by drave Outside of Owens losing the title, I had no idea why the hell they were fighting and didn't really care. They had a helluva match (match of the night, easily, by far) which is unquestionably what viewers are complimenting. On a side note, I wonder how many fellas in the back are high-fiving and congratulating them both on their "amazing plot advancement".

They are killing themselves over the IC title. Not hard to understand that.

[drave]

Originally Posted by The CyNick They are killing themselves over the IC title. Not hard to understand that.

Right, but where is the STORY that is being heralded?

[drave]

Let us not also forget how The Authority was "watching closely" to put people in the Fastlane main event only to give it to one person who wasn't even featured on the show.

[drave]

Originally Posted by drave Let us not also forget how The Authority was "watching closely" to put people in the Fastlane main event only to give it to one person who wasn't even featured on the show.

Sorry, I meant to say "GREAT PLOT ADVANCEMENT! LET ME GO SUB TO THE NETWORK NAO!"

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by drave Let us not also forget how The Authority was "watching closely" to put people in the Fastlane main event only to give it to one person who wasn't even featured on the show.

I didnt care for that either. Doesnt mean the product is terrible.

[drave]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I didnt care for that either. Doesnt mean the product is terrible.

No, but if they are betting on the network and cannot even book a match for a network-featured event based on their own words, that sucks.

Again though, kids will forget and not care about that anyway.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by drave No, but if they are betting on the network and cannot even book a match for a network-featured event based on their own words, that sucks. Again though, kids will forget and not care about that anyway.

When it happened I thought it was odd for two reasons:

1. Why did they include Lesnar? I'm sure there will be some Paul Heyman explanation to this, but they didnt cover it on TV yet.

2. Why give Hunter so many possible tough opponents? Again, could be explained. Maybe Hunter wants to prove a point to the rest of the roster.

That said, I dont think any of it hurt my interest in seeing who wins. I mean I'm pretty sure I know who will win, but how they tell the story.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I didnt care for that either. Doesnt mean the product is terrible.

No. The other thousand examples of the same dumb, scatterbrained shit over recent years does.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan No. The other thousand examples of the same dumb, scatterbrained shit over recent years does.

We get it bud, you're not a #1 fan anymore. We get it.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm seriously curious now about whether CyNick is actually deep enough in his WWE apologist role that he thinks Ambrose-Owens is about the writing. lol

The fact that THAT was his example to respond to Vito's post is pretty sad.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan I'm seriously curious now about whether CyNick is actually deep enough in his WWE apologist role that he thinks Ambrose-Owens is about the writing. lol The fact that THAT was his example to respond to Vito's post is pretty sad.

Would you have enjoyed it more if Ambrose drove into the ring apron on a Beer Truck?

Sports Entertainment isnt always a verbal battle, its letting two guys tell a story in the ring. WWE has given Ambrose and Owens the TV time to tell that story over the IC title.

What about HHH-Roman? Thats not good writing?

[drave]

Originally Posted by The CyNick What about HHH-Roman? Thats not good writing?

Not really. It is almost a mirror of early SCSA and VKM only this one feels more forced.

[Simple Fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick What about HHH-Roman? Thats not good writing?

Doesnt matter if the writing is good(which its not), Roman would find a way to make it all suck. Really dont see how anyone could be a fan of Roman Reigns in his current state. Honestly hope HHH beats some respect in to him at WM, that would be the only good to come of the whole thing.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Simple Fan Doesnt matter if the writing is good(which its not), Roman would find a way to make it all suck. Really dont see how anyone could be a fan of Roman Reigns in his current state. Honestly hope HHH beats some respect in to him at WM, that would be the only good to come of the whole thing.

Reigns isnt my favourite guy on the roster, but I think he's a solid choice to try to take Cena's spot. Whether or not he can do that is up to him.

[drave]

Its ALWAYS about the writing because clearly the story lines = ratings and ratings = USA Exec's high-fiving each other in the hallway.

[#1-norm-fan]

Two guys telling a story in the ring is appealing to hardcore fans. If the characters and story aren't hashed out and there's no heat or drama behind it, why would a casual fan give a shit?

And I like that you brought up HHH-Roman. Didn't you hype Roman's title win as a huge personal victory. "I told you guys WWE knows how to build a star! Proved it tonight!" How's that momentum going?

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan Two guys telling a story in the ring is appealing to hardcore fans. If the characters and story aren't hashed out and there's no heat or drama behind it, why would a casual fan give a shit? And I like that you brought up HHH-Roman. Didn't you hype Roman's title win as a huge personal victory. "I told you guys WWE knows how to build a star! Proved it tonight!" How's that momentum going?

Well it is building to a match on the WWE Network, which is purchased by more hardcore leaning fans. So it makes perfect sense to let the story tell itself in the ring.

For the casual viewer its about caring about the two characters - which I think WWE has effectively made fans care about both. And second they would care about the IC title. Many "hardcore" fans have complained when the IC title is an afterthought. I would say this is as close to the Savage-Steamboat/Razor-HBK/HHH-Rock days where you had guys on the cusp of main event status, who in the right match could main event, and are battling over the title. So I would say the title in itself has appeal.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan Two guys telling a story in the ring is appealing to hardcore fans. If the characters and story aren't hashed out and there's no heat or drama behind it, why would a casual fan give a shit? And I like that you brought up HHH-Roman. Didn't you hype Roman's title win as a huge personal victory. "I told you guys WWE knows how to build a star! Proved it tonight!" How's that momentum going?

What is your question? How is Reigns momentum going? Read house show reports online, he's the most over guy on the show. RAW is the highest rated regularly scheduled program on cable every week. So yeah its going well.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Raw set another all-time record low for the era for a non-football season broadcast last night averaging 3.37 million viewers.

8 p.m. 3.59 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.46 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.09 million viewers

Damn, that 3rd hour drop. No one gives a shit about the main event at all.

[Emperor Smeat]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney Raw set another all-time record low for the era for a non-football season broadcast last night averaging 3.37 million viewers. 8 p.m. 3.59 million viewers 9 p.m. 3.46 million viewers 10 p.m. 3.09 million viewers Damn, that 3rd hour drop. No one gives a shit about the main event at all.

Compared to last week, the show itself was pretty skippable this week since only the Divas stuff had any real advancement.

Also been a growing trend recently of main events involving Reigns having crowds leaving early and generating more poor than good 3rd hours.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney Raw set another all-time record low for the era for a non-football season broadcast last night averaging 3.37 million viewers. 8 p.m. 3.59 million viewers 9 p.m. 3.46 million viewers 10 p.m. 3.09 million viewers Damn, that 3rd hour drop. No one gives a shit about the main event at all.

Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.

God you are pathetic lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.

And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with?

What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.

God you're a fucking idiot.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with? What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.

It doesn't matter according to CyNick. As that's not currently the situation WWE is in, they're doing great.

Of course, they're doing great by default and not because the product is actually good, consistent, compelling television. If WWE had any real competition, they'd be screwed if they were continually putting out the crap they have been.

Of course, WWE is only one great competitor's show away from finding themselves in a scenario where they'll have to really fight to compete, and not necessarily a wrestling competitor's show either.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ It doesn't matter according to CyNick. As that's not currently the situation WWE is in, they're doing great. Of course, they're doing great by default and not because the product is actually good, consistent, compelling television. If WWE had any real competition, they'd be screwed if they were continually putting out the crap they have been. Of course, WWE is only one great competitor's show away from finding themselves in a scenario where they'll have to really fight to compete, and not necessarily a wrestling competitor's show either.

Why is it a guarantee that people will watch WWE? I watch WWE, but its not because Mark Henry shows up to my house and threatens to break my neck if I dont watch. Its funny watching you guys chase your tails about this issue. More people watch WWE every week, than just about any other form of entertainment. More people watch WWE than NBA on a regular basis, more than MLB, more than NCAA, NHL, not to mention most of the random shows on cable. But somehow those shows are successful and WWE isnt, because for some reason WWE fans only watch because they have to. Makes no sense.