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Old 09-11-2007, 10:23 PM   #1
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ESPN is reporting Kevin Everett awoke and has some movement in his hands/legs so they think he will walk again.

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great great news. I hope he's able to play again.
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They could have tried watching the tape during the game or something...at least that's what I assumed. I mean they are gonna change signals by the next game
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They could have tried watching the tape during the game or something...at least that's what I assumed. I mean they are gonna change signals by the next game
see, that was my original thought, but you're talking about going through 30mins of game film during half-time and relaying the info to someone who will then try and catch those being used and relay it to the defense during the 2nd half... seems like a stretch in that short time.

also, forgot who was on the radio today, but said most teams even employe lipreaders which is why most coaches calling plays put something over their mouth.
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Yeah seems Pillsbury Throwboy will be the QB and I heard that the Giants will prolly sign back Tim Hasselbeck as a backup because he knows the system.
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Apparently Eli might be ok for this weekend
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Apparently Eli might be ok for this weekend
Thats kind of what I've though all along. When I heard Chris Mortenson reported from "sources" that Eli would be out I was very skeptical as to the truth of the info. The Giants have listed him day to day right along, and I think they would know.
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I'm sure it worked something like this..

Patriots go into the half only up 14-7. Belledick calls for the camera something like " BRING FORTH.....THE SECRET WEAPON " and some little prick comes walking in with a camera. Plays back all the hand signals. Belledonkey comes up with a few audibles and all of a sudden the Patriots score 24 points in the second half.


Simple question for you VEL. I'll take no answer as a yes. Did the New England Patriots cheat? Yes or No
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I'm sure it worked something like this..

Patriots go into the half only up 14-7. Belledick calls for the camera something like " BRING FORTH.....THE SECRET WEAPON " and some little prick comes walking in with a camera. Plays back all the hand signals. Belledonkey comes up with a few audibles and all of a sudden the Patriots score 24 points in the second half.


Simple question for you VEL. I'll take no answer as a yes. Did the New England Patriots cheat? Yes or No
I'm pretty sure that's not even close to what happened. In fact, if they really were stealing signals it was probably in the beginning of the game when the running game was plowing through the Jets defensive line. Maybe the Pats scored 24 points in the second half because the Jets secondary lagged (triple coverage on Moss and he still scored a TD).

You seem to be the only one flipping out about this because you're just looking for any chance to rip on the team for something that is done all over the league. I'm not justifying what happened, but you are blowing everything way out of proportion.
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Patriots go into the half
ok, too tired right now to respond to everything, but I'll stop you right there, since the Jets had secrurity grab the guy in the first qtr.

and the photo Krispy, according to the reports the guy was actually this time on the Pats sideline with the camera aimed at the Jets sideline which doesn't make a lot of sense to me....

anyway, I'll comment respond when I have time tomorow, in the meantime I'm sure RP will have a few more hissy fits.
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VEL, is your gimmick on these boards just to continually missed the point? Is that it? First of all, VEL and MVP. NO OTHER TEAM has every been caught using video equipment to spy on another teams sidelines to pick up there signals. Let alone get caught twice like your beloved Patriots. Second, If this was the Colts, i'd be fucking livid. I'd be so pissed. But if this was the Browns or Lions, i'd be like " get off there back " . The point being, that if your team are recent Superbowl champions and are expected to go on and win another one this year and your using camera's to spy on other people's signals, to quote the great Bill Simmons " Thats seedy ". And to add to that, its fucking lame. Really lame. Its embarressing.
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VEL, is your gimmick on these boards just to continually missed the point? Is that it? First of all, VEL and MVP. NO OTHER TEAM has every been caught using video equipment to spy on another teams sidelines to pick up there signals. Let alone get caught twice like your beloved Patriots. Second, If this was the Colts, i'd be fucking livid. I'd be so pissed. But if this was the Browns or Lions, i'd be like " get off there back " . The point being, that if your team are recent Superbowl champions and are expected to go on and win another one this year and your using camera's to spy on other people's signals, to quote the great Bill Simmons " Thats seedy ". And to add to that, its fucking lame. Really lame. Its embarressing.
no, my gimmick like most is to laugh at you having a hissy fit.

I never denied they broke a rule, and I'm ok with whatever punishment they get for breaking that rule. But your hypothetical version which wasn't even possible was really funny "at half time they..." umm, yeah, the guy was nailed in the 1st qtr.

they broke this rule once, since last year it was perfectly legal to video tape whatever you want. The rule went into effect this year.

How did Mangini know? because it's nothing new, they did it when he was here that's how he knew about it.

I know, you're colts are perfect saints, they never do anything wrong, I mean Bill Polian never wanted Doug Flutie's leg broken and Polian never physically attacked a Jets employee because he thought speakers were to close to the field, I know, I know... the Colts are perfect angels...

What's funny is this big hissy fit you're taking and what's even more funny is you somehow think this has anything to do with the past superbowls won, how Harrison taking HGH after an injury (post superbowls) somehow taints their superbowl wins 3 (in case you forgot), that the Patriots breaking a rule in Sept 2007 somehow cancels those superbowl wins. That's funny.

As for "they're desperate, they're spending money", no more or less then before, they're spending the same amount of the salary cap as they were before, they got a good deal for Randy Moss, they spend big money on top LB's twice during the belicheck era, Samuel is playing under a 1yr deal based off the franchise tag rules.

I can't wait for the Pats v. Colts game this year, is the Pats win what will be your new excuse? They enforce pass interfearance on all teams to the full extent (sometimes overboard), Rodney will have served his suspension for HGH and their are no cameras... what then would be your excuse if the Pats win, I'm sure you'll find something.

So, I'm not wasting my time to go back on your other non-sense, I think everyone else pretty much took care of that for me.

Just be honest with yourself, everyone here knows you hate the Patriots because they had the Colts number for a few years.
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no, my gimmick like most is to laugh at you having a hissy fit.

I never denied they broke a rule, and I'm ok with whatever punishment they get for breaking that rule. But your hypothetical version which wasn't even possible was really funny "at half time they..." umm, yeah, the guy was nailed in the 1st qtr.

they broke this rule once, since last year it was perfectly legal to video tape whatever you want. The rule went into effect this year.

How did Mangini know? because it's nothing new, they did it when he was here that's how he knew about it.

I know, you're colts are perfect saints, they never do anything wrong, I mean Bill Polian never wanted Doug Flutie's leg broken and Polian never physically attacked a Jets employee because he thought speakers were to close to the field, I know, I know... the Colts are perfect angels...

What's funny is this big hissy fit you're taking and what's even more funny is you somehow think this has anything to do with the past superbowls won, how Harrison taking HGH after an injury (post superbowls) somehow taints their superbowl wins 3 (in case you forgot), that the Patriots breaking a rule in Sept 2007 somehow cancels those superbowl wins. That's funny.

As for "they're desperate, they're spending money", no more or less then before, they're spending the same amount of the salary cap as they were before, they got a good deal for Randy Moss, they spend big money on top LB's twice during the belicheck era, Samuel is playing under a 1yr deal based off the franchise tag rules.

I can't wait for the Pats v. Colts game this year, is the Pats win what will be your new excuse? They enforce pass interfearance on all teams to the full extent (sometimes overboard), Rodney will have served his suspension for HGH and their are no cameras... what then would be your excuse if the Pats win, I'm sure you'll find something.

So, I'm not wasting my time to go back on your other non-sense, I think everyone else pretty much took care of that for me.

Just be honest with yourself, everyone here knows you hate the Patriots because they had the Colts number for a few years.

First, whats your source on the Polian saying he wanted Flutie's leg broken? Oh thats right. Its the pressbox . It was heard by the press. But oddly enough, never written about. Weird. Talk out of you ass much?

Polian physically attacked an employee? WHAT THE FUCK ARE SMOKING DUDE ROFL. Really funny that Bill Polian, a GM for a football team, somehow managed to attack a Jets employee and saw no fine or punishment what so ever. Hilarious. You're becomming a major joke VEL. Dont get me wrong, i saw it being reported, but if it was true, why didnt the Jets make a big deal out of it and why was he not fined? Ohhh gee i wonder why.

LOL @ you and the 1st quarter thing. Its called taking the piss you fucking moron. Yah, i really think Belechek went in and said " BRING FORTH ... THE CAMERA ". God damn your stupid.


Everyone knows i hate the Patriots? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I sure as fuck dont like them? I dont think i've ever given off the impression that i like them. It still dont mean your team are not cheaters. Cheating is cheating and it aint cheating if you dont get caught. You got caught. Deal with it. Your coach is a supposed genius who has writers following him around to watch his genius in action so they can write novels about him. Some genius he is.

And i'm positive that the Colts dont use cameras to video tape defensive signs. Not Tony Dungy. I'm sorry. And if you think Tony Dungy would do something like that, you have something wrong in your head. Tony Dungy dont cheat.

Obviously i cant be 100% sure that anyone on the Colts are not taking HGH. No one can. And that sucks. But i'm pretty damn sure none of them are so fucking retarded as to use an online steroid service and use there actual name and address. BRILLIANT!

And yes, you've still missed the point. All i've heard for the past 6 years is how amazing the Patriots are. How many rings they have. How great Brady is ( he is ). But yet they have to use video cameras to spy on opposing defenses to get an edge. So sad. Seedy indeed. And yet you dont get it. Cause you cant pull your head out of your ass long enough to get it.
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VEL, is your gimmick on these boards just to continually missed the point? Is that it? First of all, VEL and MVP. NO OTHER TEAM has every been caught using video equipment to spy on another teams sidelines to pick up there signals. Let alone get caught twice like your beloved Patriots. Second, If this was the Colts, i'd be fucking livid. I'd be so pissed. But if this was the Browns or Lions, i'd be like " get off there back " . The point being, that if your team are recent Superbowl champions and are expected to go on and win another one this year and your using camera's to spy on other people's signals, to quote the great Bill Simmons " Thats seedy ". And to add to that, its fucking lame. Really lame. Its embarressing.
Don't expect me to beileve that you would actually be fucking livid if the Colts got caught stealing signals. I guarantee you'd take the reasonable position that VEL, myself, and the rest of the board have taken. Even NFL Live said that there are probably other teams that have done this in one form of another, and they just haven't been caught yet. You and I both know that these supposed accusations don't make the difference between being a Super Bowl caliber team and not. Of course it's embarassing and I'm dissapointed in what happened, but it's done with.

I just can't wait til the Colts get caught cheating or one of the players confesses to taking HGH. You'll never hear the end of it.
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The one question I have on the Patriots cheating is if this is something the Patriots do to get a competitive edge over the competition, why didn't Mangini already know about it?
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The one question I have on the Patriots cheating is if this is something the Patriots do to get a competitive edge over the competition, why didn't Mangini already know about it?
All the teams were sent a letter in preseason telling them not to do exactly this, so it looks like it's not the first time it has come up.
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mangini hasnt been with the team for 2 years. And the Patriots are a pretty desperate team now. Just look at there Free Agency stuff last year. Thats a team that hardly ever spent money, until the Colts and Steelers won the Superbowl. Now there buying every player they can and cheating as much as they can. So desperate that Harrison was purchasing roids from online and they were filming hand signals. Pretty desperate. Pretty sad.
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No, I'm really upset about it too, and my team isn't even in the same conference. They have done this shit before. Belichick apologized and said he "misinterpreted the rules". Fucking Bullshit. Fuck the Patriots. I hope Goodell makes them forfeit the win over the Jets.
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You guys I would love nothing more tha the Pats to have to forfeit that win, but fuck, it is not that big of a deal


Well it is, and it isn't. I mean it is stupid or whatever but do you really think this was the difference in the Patriots winning 3 Superbowls and just being an average team?

And yes, Mangini knew about it, he apparently was the one who sent Jets security to confront the guy, so apparently this is nothing new

I dunno though, like stima said it's not like NFL coaches aren't the most paranoid people in the world, I'm sure there are a ton of fake signs and hints that don't mean anything, and obviously all the signs probably get changed every game. My guess is the Patriots were just looking for certain tendencies or some sort of reaction from the coordinator I dunno. Plus how do we know the Patriots are the only ones who do this? Come on

Also shut the fuck up RP, I can guarantee you there is somebody on the Colts who uses HGH. Probably 50% of the NFL uses HGH, but we'll never know
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You guys I would love nothing more tha the Pats to have to forfeit that win, but fuck, it is not that big of a deal


Well it is, and it isn't. I mean it is stupid or whatever but do you really think this was the difference in the Patriots winning 3 Superbowls and just being an average team?

And yes, Mangini knew about it, he apparently was the one who sent Jets security to confront the guy, so apparently this is nothing new

I dunno though, like stima said it's not like NFL coaches aren't the most paranoid people in the world, I'm sure there are a ton of fake signs and hints that don't mean anything, and obviously all the signs probably get changed every game. My guess is the Patriots were just looking for certain tendencies or some sort of reaction from the coordinator I dunno. Plus how do we know the Patriots are the only ones who do this? Come on

Also shut the fuck up RP, I can guarantee you there is somebody on the Colts who uses HGH. Probably 50% of the NFL uses HGH, but we'll never know
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Even so...I like the Pats. But if they were doing this, then yes, they deserve to be punished to the full extent. But anyone who says they're the only ones doing this is either horribly naive or horribly full of shit.

Plus I'm also inclined to say that knowing the plays doesn't change the fact that Brady can bomb the ball to Moss, or the fact that Maroney could take off and run the ball downfield at any time.

I'm sure there's a lot we'll never know about what goes on in regards to cheating within the NFL. If the Pats did it, by all means throw the book at them. But no one should sit here and claim that every single accomplishment they've had is because of cheating.

Even so, if you ask me, that picture of the cameraman looks pretty insignificant to me. And while it may look weird, one thing bugs me. With all of this, the Patriots are either totally innocent, or are totally fucking stupid. You'd think if Bellicheck was CHEATING, he'd at least not try to make it so blatantly obvious. The cameraman wasn't even covered up, and didn't even seem to be TRYING to hide. Food for thought there. You'd think if Bellicheck and the Pats wanted to pull something, they'd at least be more clever about it, but I still don't believe the Pats are guilty of anything.
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For some lighter news, Kevin Everett has regained control of his arms and legs and the doctors are claiming he WILL walk again. Thats Great news
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That's great to hear. Personally I think this story is more important than the Colts or whoever cheating in their game last week, but I guess I'm just a little naive.
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You sure that's the right guy? They said it was a guy who was pretty fit...that guy looks like a fat fuck

Pretty much agree with everything that NERF said...and I've heard a lot of non-biased people say similar things
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That can't be the guy that filmed the Jets. The guy went to the Jets sideline to film them? That guy is standing on the Jets sideline. Why didn't he just go up to the coaches and ask what the fuck the signals were if he was doing that?
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I really hope Eli can play Sunday. If we have to start Jared Lorenzen at QB it is going to be a huge comedy of errors.
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As opposed to the Giants' regular array of awesome football playing.
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As opposed to the Giants' regular array of awesome football playing.
Anyone would be a fool to admit that their defense played like shit against Dallas, but you would also be a fool to say that their offense wasn't among some of the best performances in week 1.
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Let me just say this, though. Does anyone actually think that the Patriots are the only team in the league that have done this sort of thing? With all the coaches that are in the league, and all the coaches that have rotated teams for numerous years, there is absolutely no way that this is something that only the Patriots have been involved in.

If I were Goodell I would be investigating this instead of going out of his way to suspend black people.
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Also, am I the only one who finds it repulsive that Peyton Manning is on every other commercial on TV now?
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Also, am I the only one who finds it repulsive that Peyton Manning is on every other commercial on TV now?
Yeah, I picked up on this and I live in a different fucking country.
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Bellivhek prob taught Mangini all those tricks and he was using them last year, prob why they are "fueding"
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