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Old 12-03-2007, 08:46 PM   #1
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WFAN's Sweeny Murti has reported the Mets may be close to landing Erik Bedard, but may have to eat Miguel Tejada's salary or get a 3rd team into the mix.

…from what I can gather, Omar Minaya has been dumping a ton of rhetoric around, back-peddling on his need to acquire a top-line starting pitcher, while suggesting that he may not be in the best position to make such a trade…

…in fact, a few people close to the team have suggested that when Minaya said last week that trading Lastings Milledge wouldn’t hurt his chances of making a trade for pitcher, what he really meant was that with or without Milledge he could not make a trade for a pitcher because he just doesn’t have the horses either way…

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There's my Mets, always backpedaling.
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Some late Santana news.

Twins are starting to call up other teams to discuss Santana. Really don't care about Sox and Yanks now.

On the Yanks front. They're taking the nonresponse from the Twins as a rejection of their offer.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:19 AM   #3
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Come ONNN Dodgers, make a fucking move already.
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:56 AM   #4
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The Nats made some good moves. Milledge and Dukes = Outfield for 10 years. Can only get better.

Now they just need 5 starters.
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Hahahaha Billy Beane:

“If somebody offers you everything west of the Mississippi, you have to listen. If Thomas Jefferson didn’t listen to offers, half of the U.S. would be French. Some people thought it was a bad deal at the time, but I think he proved to be right.”

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OK so I think maybe the Mets should stay away from Haren if he wants a deal equal to the Louisiana Purchase
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Man, everything looks like the Yankees won't get Santana right now. I don't know how many times its gone back and forth though.

The Twins keep insisting on Hughes, Melky AND Kennedy, which is hard to do. You can't blame the Yankees for not doing that at all. Especially when the Sox apparently aren't even offering more than Lester as the centerpiece. I'd expect him to be a part of the Red Sox eventually. The Twins just seem to be sticking it to the Yankees by asking for something they know the Yanks won't give up. I'm sure the Twins fans will be happy though when they end up getting Coco Crisp and Lester for Santana.
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The Twins and Red Sox have concluded trade talks for the night with a deal likely within reach, the Boston Globe reports.

The Globe says there are indications that the deal would be Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson for Johan Santana. ESPN's Buster Olney also believes that's the package. Crisp doesn't seem like a great fit for a Twins club that figures to have little chance of contending next year, though as outstanding as he is defensively, he is being undervalued as a trade property. The Twins would also be getting a potential No. 2 starter in Lester, a possible No. 3 or a closer in Masterson and a likely starting second baseman in Lowrie. Phil Hughes is a better bet than all of them, but the Twins must not rate him as highly as many do.
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Tigers and Marlins reportedly working on a blockbuster deal. Its unclear who else will be involved but it would see Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis land in Detroit while Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller go to Florida.

Holy shitfuck.
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what, is that even a fair trade? never even heard of those other two guys before.
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what, is that even a fair trade? never even heard of those other two guys before.
They are great prospect, both VERY young (miller was drafted like last year!)

I think they would need some more on top of those 2. They would be the center pieces. But would need some lesser guys.
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Red Sox would get a steal if thats all they give up. Hell, if they don't give up Ellsbury or Buchholz that is a huge steal either way.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:59 PM   #12
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yea, I don't follow minor league baseball prospects, but that trade looks lopsided to me
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I'm not gonna get excited until it's official
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Even if the trade is official they'd still have to work out a contract. And I just don't see Boston going out and throwing 25 million a year at Santana. They might and would be able to but I don't think it would be that easy for Theo to do that.

It seems he will go to Boston though, not working out a contract seems pretty unlikely.
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I don't see Boston doing that then if they can't sign him. Cause now they've wasted Lester and all those guys for a guy who's going to be there for 1 year. They'll have to work that out.
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I know, thats what I was saying. They will no doubt get the 72-hour negotiating window or whatever but Santana then has them where he wants them and could offer 25 million a year and not budge off it. If they can't agree to an extension then they don't do the deal. And if that happens then the Yankees are the only team that Santana could probably be traded to. The Red Sox know that too though so I don't see them not offering Santana what he wants. I just don't think they'd be going through the trouble if they weren't willing to offer him 20+ million a year.

I think it would be easier to swallow if Boston had to at least give up Buchholz or Ellsbury. It would be insane to me if this deal goes through with Lester as the center-piece. And Crisp as the second big piece? It seems like all of Boston wants him gone anyway.
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WFAN reporting that Bedard is on the way to LA for Matt Kemp and Jonathan Broxton

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Shit. Hearing Santana going to Boston is all but done. It's a long shot, but the twins might give the Yankees one last offer tonight.

Dan Haren is saying he doesn't want to be traded.

Jesus. Who else is out there?
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MLB.com is reporting that the Tigers are set to acquire Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and four more prospects.

Jesus Christ there are gonna be some fucking BEAST teams in the AL this year.
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LOL damn. What a ridiculous lineup they will have now.

I just heard that the Angels GM said he hasn't talked to the Twins about Santana. Now it should be no question they will go after him.
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Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, Indians and Angels are all going to be RIDICULOUSLY good.
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The National League is going to look even worse next year.
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Insane lineup. Apparently the Tigers are sending 6 guys back to the Marlins. So I'd guess their farm system is pretty depleted but that lineup is crazy.
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Detroit is going to be immensely good next year.

It's gonna be interesting to see what the Marlins do in the next couple of years (move the franchise, build a new stadium, etc.)
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They don't need much of a farm system at this point. Their pitching is young and amazing, and guys like Granderson, Cabrera and Polanco will be around for a long while to anchor that offense. They have a few years to build up a farm system again.
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I'm surprised they didn't split up Willis and Cabrera. The Tigers gave up 6 guys but you'd think they might have been able to get more in two different trades. Although Willis' value wasn't that high so maybe they didn't have many takers for him.
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Oh. My. God.

Tigers are gonna be ruthless this season.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:18 PM   #29
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Agreed.

I think Mags, Pudge and Sheff will be further on the decline, but add cabrera and fuck all.

Lots of great trades so far, all makje sense and help both teams except the Mets shitty offseason.
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These reports are insane and are seemingly changing every ten minutes.

Now I'm hearing the Mets, Mariners, and Blue Jays are the top bidders for Bedard...meaning the Dodgers balked at offering a 3rd player to the deal.

Mets really might win this thing because they are thinking about adding Fernando Martinez to the deal, their seemingly only untouchable prospect...but he's only 19 so things could change. DO IT OMAR!
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Should I put 20 on the Tigers finishing 2nd now or what?
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I'm pretty sure you should put your life savings on the Tigers winning the world series
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So, Marlins dealt Cabrera and Willis to the Tigers, who gave up WAY too much.

Also, I guess the O's are looking for a Santana-like package for Bedard from the Dodgers. FUCK THAT. We are so loaded with young talent.
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So, Marlins dealt Cabrera and Willis to the Tigers, who gave up WAY too much.

Also, I guess the O's are looking for a Santana-like package for Bedard from the Dodgers. FUCK THAT. We are so loaded with young talent.
The dodgers are too loaded with young talent. The chances of all of them being there in 5 years playing well is low, so might as well bank on a few keepers, and send a few packing to be good night now.

The Tigers gave up alot, but it was worth it to be a top contender for the next 2 years at least.

Its sick this year, the rich teams are going to be bringing in all the top guys, and honestly the difference between tiers 1 and 2 are going to be way too big. Baseball is getting worse.
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So, Marlins dealt Cabrera and Willis to the Tigers, who gave up WAY too much.

Also, I guess the O's are looking for a Santana-like package for Bedard from the Dodgers. FUCK THAT. We are so loaded with young talent.
We did give up a lot but it was not too much. Let me lay it down for you.

Andrew Miller, whereas he is a good pitcher, was going to be a 3 at best in Detroit. Because of the fact that you have Verlander and Bonderman, plus you have Porcello waiting in the wings now that they signed him. Cameron Maybin is a great prospect but the fact is the Tigers are still loaded in the OF without him. He was made to be a centerfielder, but that position will never be availble because of Curtis Granderson. You could say you could move him over to RF when Magglio leaves but the problem is that the casual fan sees that that move could happen. The Detroit Tiger fan sees that that move cannot happen because of what happened when Maybin played Left field this year. His play was shaky at best, making costly errors in games where the Tigers should have won. The other 4 prospects that the Tigers sent out were good, but the team wants to win now. And to gain Cabrerra and Willis, two proven guys, two guys with post season experience and World Series rings, you have to take them at whatever cost. Willis solidifies your bullpen and with the acquisition of Cabrerra, it shifts Inge out of town. And I would much rather have Cabrerra and his power at 3rd then a great defensive 3rd baseman, but a .240 hitter in Inge. It makes sense all around.
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Jays are talking about moving Rios. I think if they do it'll be for a Bedard. Otherwise I don't like the idea.
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Apparently they want Matt Cain but the Giants would rather surrender Lincecum. I don't know if I like the deal for either side.

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Previous speculation was that the Yankees balked at including Ian Kennedy along with Hughes and Cabrera, but the newspaper reports that general manager Brian Cashman turned down a deal that didn't include Kennedy at all. According to the report, Cashman "never wanted to do the Santana deal in the first place" and became even less interested once Andy Pettitte was re-signed. If true, that would explain why Hank Steinbrenner stuck to his self-imposed deadline and might indicate that the Yankees are truly out of the Santana mix.
Well, that's shocking. The third guy in the mix seemed to be the problem, and the third (and fourth) guy in the deal weren't even close to top prospects, at least in line with Kennedy, Horne, Tabata, Jackson or Betances. None of them were even in the top 10. This kind of leads me to believe that the Yanks were never really serious about this deal to begin with. If this is true, that is.

I like that we're sticking to the plan and letting the young guys do their thing, but I am not happy because the Red Sox are going to get Santana.
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