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Old 12-14-2009, 10:04 PM   #601
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You gotta wonder what the market for Bay and Holliday is gonna be now. Boston seemed like the possible main suitor for either of them and now they have a full outfield. The Angels seem set in the OF. Thats two of the bigger teams essentially out of it.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:11 PM   #602
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I'm kind of hoping that Holliday just goes back to the Cardinals. He is a National League player and this is the place where he'll get the most production. I mean, is there any more comfortable spot in a batting order than batting behind or in front of Albert Pujols?
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:12 PM   #603
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So many fucking names being thrown around in the Halladay deal. Now they're saying Drabek is in. If the Blue Jays wind up with Dominic Brown/Michael Taylor, Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek, Carlos Triunfel, and J.A. Happ they may be the ultimate winner in this deal down the line.
That's a rape deal, no way they get all of that
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:13 PM   #604
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So many fucking names being thrown around in the Halladay deal. Now they're saying Drabek is in. If the Blue Jays wind up with Dominic Brown/Michael Taylor, Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek, Carlos Triunfel, and J.A. Happ they may be the ultimate winner in this deal down the line.
If all those names are thrown in then Lee has to stay in Philadelphia right?
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:17 PM   #605
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If Lee doesn't go to the M's, then there is no point in them being involved in the deal in the first place.
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If Lee doesn't go to the M's, then there is no point in them being involved in the deal in the first place.
If you are giving Drabek away then Lee shouldn't be in the deal since he was untouchable in the summer.

No way they give all that away plus Lee.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:26 PM   #607
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I prefer the Phils not give up Drabek. He has a much higher ceiling than Happ. I'm just naming the guys who keep popping up as being added to the deal. Doubt all of them will wind of changing uniforms.
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I'll pack both of their bags if it means keeping Lee and getting Halladay.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:31 PM   #609
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Yeah, but I really don't see Lee staying in Philly in this deal. It's obvious the Mariners are going for the "win now" approach with this deal. Ichiro is getting older and his window of winning in Seattle is closing faster by the day.
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I know.

I'm just not giving up hope.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:38 PM   #611
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So now it seems that the Phils may be getting top M's pitching prospect Phillipe Aumont. Makes more sense now.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:52 PM   #612
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I doubt they get all that

Why would philly balk at trading Happ and Drabek and Brown only to turn around and give all 3 a few months later.
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What the hell?

10 names being thrown around. I thought it was 1 guy here, 1 guy there, and 2-3 guys there.
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From MLBTR

After going through several incarnations over the last 48 hours, the latest version of the deal has outfielder Michael Taylor, catching prospect Travis D'Arnaud, and a pitcher - either J.A. Happ or Kyle Drabek - going to Toronto, writes Stark in his latest update. Under this scenario, the Phillies would get to hang on to Domonic Brown and would recieve Phillippe Aumont.
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Man there is so many fuckin rumors about this trade. I have no idea what's going on.
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:42 AM   #617
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10:12pm: Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun (via Twitter) has Toronto getting Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D'Arnaud; Philly getting Roy Halladay and Phillippe Aumont; and the Mariners getting Cliff Lee, plus another piece (or, pieces).
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Why is Drabek so tradeable now?

I hate that trade.
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:24 AM   #619
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Well, looks like the Cardinals are re-signing Holliday

A writer for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch says their offer is 8 years at $16 million per year. Holy fuck.

Guess that leaves only Bay.
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:53 AM   #620
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I really wanna know what the Mets will do now. I don't expect tickets to be selling at all now to be honest. This thought will probably lead Wilpon/Omar to making a dumb offer. Either over paying for Bay or wrapping up a dumb Pinero contract just to try and sell people to come out to the stadium. In this attempt they will fail miserably.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:21 AM   #621
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Halladay hates batting.

LOL. First thing I thought of when reading he was now a Phillie. He'll do great.
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I'm not sure how many other options Bay is going to have but to sign with the Mets, tbh. The Red Sox have backed away from him, picked up Cameron, and now that they signed Lackey if they get another bat it'll probably be via trading Buccholz to San Diego for Gonzalez. The Angels just signed Matsui and are now focused on pitching. The Giants are interested but Bay has said he doesn't wanna play there. The Mariners have already spent a ton and I think want to save up in hopes of retaining Cliff Lee's services for more than just one year. And lastly, the Yankees have inquired (of course they have) but I don't see why they would offer him a 4/5 year deal...they'll probably wind up getting Damon once he realizes nobody's gonna give him 4 years

Despite the Cardinals' monster offer for Holliday, I don't think Bay expects his offers to go up THAT much. Mets might have to guarantee a 5th year, making it 5 years for around $70-75 million, but I think he'll take it.

Do I like the idea of a 35 year old Jason Bay patrolling left field in 2014 and making a good chunk of change? Of course not...but that's a long time from now and by then that will hopefully be the only bad contract on the team. I'm not too sure why Mets fans are so down on Bay. There seemed to be a mixed reaction when they made him an offer...but now that Lackey, Halladay, and most likely Holliday are off the board, everybody's like "OH BOY!!! JASON BAY!!!" He's the only choice left, and he's not a bad player...so deal with it. I'm not an Omar Minaya fan by any stretch, but sometimes he simply can't win with these fans.

Elsewhere, I still think the Mets are gonna get Bengie Molina. He keeps pushing for a multiyear deal, but as it gets closer and closer to spring training, I see him cracking and taking that 1 year deal with an option.

Likewise for some of the starters asking for way too much at this point. Even Ben Sheets wants a multiyear deal despite not pitching last year. I don't see it happening. I'd love for the Mets to sign him and Wang to 1-year, incentive-laden deals. Couple that with the fact that they offered a minor league deal to Kelvim Escobar. Not saying it'll happen, but could you imagine if all of them pitched to their fullest potential? They'd then have the best rotation in the NL...and it would leave at least two of the Pelfrey/Maine/Perez combo looking for other roles.

Bottom line is...they are gonna have to take a risk at some point here. I'd like to see it with the starting. Much better to get those guys for 1 year and hope for the best than to lock yourself into 3 or 4 years with Jason Marquis. And guess what...if it doesn't work out, it was only one season...and Omar getting canned would be seen as a consolation prize for Mets fans, anyway.
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White Sox get:

OF Juan Pierre (2 yr./18.5 mil)
$10 million cash

Dodgers get:
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DODGEEEEEEE SHOWWWWWWW
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Uh. Are you trying to talk shit when your team has been sucking the Dodgers' cock the last 2 years? Shut up. It's just like when you try to talk shit about the Lakers. Give me a break.

Also, gonna miss Pierre, he was a great team player. Sad that we gave Manny all that money to suck lately. I hope Pierre tears it up.
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let's see:

Signed a guy with a career 348 OBP to a backloaded 5 year / $45 million deal

Gave up on him a year and a half into it, making him the highest paid 4th OF in the league

Had the 2nd best statistical season of his career last year

Dodgers still have to pay him 10 million to play for the White Sox.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:56 PM   #627
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White Sox have the Highest Paid Average Outfield ever.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:24 PM   #628
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Jays are reportedly flipping taylor to the A's for Brett Wallace.
 
Old 12-15-2009, 05:30 PM   #629
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Gustavo Chacin signs minor league deal with the Astros.

He's STILL better than Joe Blanton.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:05 PM   #630
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Aroldis Chapman worked out in front of 15 teams in Houston today.

Also, that deal with Mike Lowell and the Rangers. Might not be happening after all.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:15 PM   #631
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If the Jays pull this trade off The Anthropologist is the best GM ever
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:19 AM   #632
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it seems like the Mariners really got fucked
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Old 12-16-2009, 02:21 AM   #633
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Gustavo Chacin signs minor league deal with the Astros.

He's STILL better than Joe Blanton.
Chacin blew out his arm. What can ya do. lol at least I was right that Scott Downs was and is better than Chad Gaudin.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:25 AM   #634
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Love the package that my Jays got. Drabek is a stud, D'Arnaud gives us a solid catching prospect not named Arencibia, flipping Taylor for Wallace is terrific as I like Wallace's bat more and they can hopefully turn him into a 1b like planned. A Jays rotation of Romero, Drabek, Cecil, Marcum and Rzepcinzski has me looking forward to the future.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 10:46 AM   #635
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I still have a soft spot for the jays. It always annoys me that they are honestly the 4th best team in the AL some years but they have no playoff hopes in the East. I would love to see the MLB playoffs expanded in numbers but shortened in length.

Run a NFL style with 3 Wildcards.

Top 2 seeds get a pass. Round one is a best of 5. Then continue on. Cut out all the spare days and it would take the same amount of time and it would freshen shit up.
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The Halladay deal isn't put to bed yet. Makes me nervous.

Bay to the Jays?

They'll have the money, he's Canadian, he's said in the past he'd like to play there.
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The trade for Halladay I like. I have no problem giving up prospects for probably the best pitcher in baseball.

I still don't like and never will like trading Cliff Lee away.
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:50 PM   #638
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Apparently someone in the Halladay trade may have failed their physical which is why its not done yet.
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:52 PM   #639
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Apparently it's not even a three-way trade, since nobody is exchanged between Seattle and Toronto...they are technically two separate trades.

Would be hilarious if everybody in the Lee trade passed their physicals and the league finalized it...but then the Halladay trade gets held up and the Phillies are left with no ace.

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