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Old 06-14-2010, 10:47 PM   #641
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I missed the first 15 mins of Raw, so was whats up with that "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" line?

How weird is it that choking someone with a tie was banned after the Benoit incident, but not the cross face? I find it really strange, especially considering it was reported that the cross face is what Chris used to kill his son.
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True, but still you have to think that bit of disgusting news just being reported would make the WWE shy away from allowing that maneuver to be used. Who knows really though? I'm sure the move was banned for some time after that whole mess, but if it is allowed now a days than why not allow choking?
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:00 PM   #643
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There is something a lot more graphic when it comes to a guy gurning into a camera, veins bulging and choking a guy with a piece of a tie/some rope than there is a guy trying to make another guy submit in the middle of a wrestling match with his hands wrapped around his face.
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I just can't see much of a difference between what you just described and say someone choking someone out with a sleeper hold or any other submission move involving a choke. Concerning the "don't use stuff kiddies can have access to at home" rule, what is more readily available a tie, or your own arm?

Also I just seen Miz use the bottom rope to choke Ryder for a bit earlier tonight. What is up with that?

Plus how is putting someone into a car then crashing the car several times less graphic than choking someone with a tie? WWE's logic fucks with my head.
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I guess it's the context. To me, a guy jumping somebody backstage, kneeling over him and punching him repeatedly in the face is a lot more graphic and violent than any hold, strike, finishing move or submission etc that can be done in a ring, even though punches happen all the time during matches too.
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I think the "management" did a superb job of handling everything. In fact, if/when Bryan returns, it will now be as a face and hence one might argue all he has to do is play with the "management". I am pretty sure this angle is headed for a couple of months at the very least and so its unlikely that he will be forgotten by the audience.
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I'd have preferred the potential setup for his return to have been as a heel, maybe Barrett could have spoken about management being the reason he's gone or a restraining order etc but the way they've gone is fine. Just glad they didn't completely ignore it even though they easily could have.
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Exactly, it's probably the 1st time they have even included a fired guy in a storyline segment. No one backstage wanted this to happen I guess, and they are trying hard to keep Bryan with them.
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I'd have preferred the potential setup for his return to have been as a heel, maybe Barrett could have spoken about management being the reason he's gone or a restraining order etc but the way they've gone is fine. Just glad they didn't completely ignore it even though they easily could have.
Exactly. Plus, they could still very easily make him heel upon return if they wanted/needed to. Not hard to pull a "Okay, I've re-hired you to go against Barrett!" "Surprise lol I just swerved yo ass *kick*"
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I missed the first 15 mins of Raw, so was whats up with that "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" line?

How weird is it that choking someone with a tie was banned after the Benoit incident, but not the cross face? I find it really strange, especially considering it was reported that the cross face is what Chris used to kill his son.
Each of the 7 rookies refused to apologize, Bret called them cowardly, etc...so Barrett mentioned "We had another guy by the name of Daniel Bryan, like you he seemed to have some sympathy...so rest assured you'll never see him again!" or something to that extent.

Implication is that he would return as a face against the NXT group if he comes back, but they could always change things.
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If this isn't a work Vince is a huge Pussy for this.

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It's not a work.
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I don't think it's a work either, but just covering all bases.
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Danielson should have just thrown Roberts in a car and smashed it into other cars.
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Each of the 7 rookies refused to apologize, Bret called them cowardly, etc...so Barrett mentioned "We had another guy by the name of Daniel Bryan, like you he seemed to have some sympathy...so rest assured you'll never see him again!" or something to that extent.

Implication is that he would return as a face against the NXT group if he comes back, but they could always change things.
Thanks for that Big Vito. Hmm I do like that they let Barrett and the guys claim to be the ones who got rid of him, as it would have been quite retarded for Bret to have done so. Like I said earlier I can see this working out hugely in Bryan's favor if he just chills for the next 90 days.
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Danielson should have just thrown Roberts in a car and smashed it into other cars.
Well he'd still have a job if he did.
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It's fine too infer a kid being superkicked without any repricussions and yet and someone gets fired over using a choke with a tie? Yeah that makes sense damn I wish WWE would grow a set and stop being hypocrites. This whole situation is making me consider to switching my wrestling brand loyalties after all these years.
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Thanks for that Big Vito. Hmm I do like that they let Barrett and the guys claim to be the ones who got rid of him, as it would have been quite retarded for Bret to have done so. Like I said earlier I can see this working out hugely in Bryan's favor if he just chills for the next 90 days.
No problem.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/vid...15-21/14746778

The vid's there. Cool they actually wrote him off. Hopefully it's not too long before he's back (if he is).
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It's fine too infer a kid being superkicked without any repricussions and yet and someone gets fired over using a choke with a tie? Yeah that makes sense damn I wish WWE would grow a set and stop being hypocrites. This whole situation is making me consider to switching my wrestling brand loyalties after all these years.
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I guess it's the context. To me, a guy jumping somebody backstage, kneeling over him and punching him repeatedly in the face is a lot more graphic and violent than any hold, strike, finishing move or submission etc that can be done in a ring, even though punches happen all the time during matches too.
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Everything you just saw was implied. It was implied that Bret was beaten up. It was implied that he was in the back of the car. You didn't actually see anybody slap him around and you definitely didn't see him front and centre of the screen being choked out by a maniacal looking vegan.
I know the posts I quoted aren't specifically aimed at your post but you get what I'm getting at. Also, that HBK/little girl skit was a comedy segment whereas last weeks RAW ending definitely wasn't. And also, Chris Benoit didn't superkick his son to death and then hang himself with the boot he kicked him with.

Yeah, it's all a bit daft. Yeah, WWE probably realize so. But until either the full story comes out or are in that position, I don't see how people can get upset about it outside of 'I like Bryan Danielson, it's a shame he won't be on my TV for a few months' (which is what most of it really is)
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I like how everyone here has faith this will even be brought up upon his return... this is the same company that replays what we saw just before a commercial break immediately following the break "In Case We Forgot"
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I like how everyone here has faith this will even be brought up upon his return... this is the same company that replays what we saw just before a commercial break immediately following the break "In Case We Forgot"
They do those quick replays for people who are just tuning in, you dense twit.
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Here's an interesting point of view from former wrestling insider Mark Madden - It's not a work. ROH had built Danielson up as "the best wrestler on the planet", and the IWC ate it up. WWE brings him in and "shows" everyone that he's not that good, stripping away his credibility, and then kicks him to the curb at the first opportunity.
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except he did prove he was actually that good. He proved me wrong. I was thought he was over hyped (and he still is though) and put high expectations on him. From what I saw, he delivered. I think Mark Madden needs to shut up
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Yeah fuck Mark Madden. And even at that, it's impossible to compare his WWE time with his ROH/Japan/indy time. Unless you're on SmackDown, chances are your match will be around 5 minutes long as opposed to 15+.
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I thought Danielson did pretty well. Did Mark Madden even watch any of Danielson's time in WWE?
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Really if you think about it Danielson got fired for doing his job to well. So screw him.
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Does Mark Madden think anyone actually cares about his opinion of Bryan Danielson? Mark Madden?!? Of all people?!?!
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Read a report earlier that said Linda's campaign may have had something to do with this crap as well.
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I have a feeling this "story" won't die for like at least a month. Apparently today, Meltzer admitted he's not sure WTF is going on and that many of his sources in the company are starting to think it's a work just based on all the weird shit around it (particularly Cena's Twitter...even though most of the other stuff is mere coincidence). But Meltzer also admitted that if its a work, its rather baffling and pointless because most casual fans still are totally unaware that any of this.

Oh yeah, and this'll give something for the IWC to fantasize about - I guess he even theorized that if they were to bring him back sooner rather than later, they could even have him be the guy that drove the limo...since the stunt driver does bear a slight resemblance:
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^ thats what ive been thinking all along, that he will be revealed as the driver...
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Barrett did say we'd never see "Daniel Bryan" again.
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Even if he's supposed to be the driver, they would not actually have him driving the car. That's a job for a stunt driver, and he's also been sent home.
Driving a car for them is the same as working a match. He's fired.
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It's a work... Fuck you Cena for fucking it all up.
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Yeah, he's definitely fired. Of course, if he returns within a month everybody will be like "LOL I TOLD YOU IT WAS A WORK!" when it really wasn't. It'd be like Matt Hardy, if anything.
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I have a feeling this "story" won't die for like at least a month. Apparently today, Meltzer admitted he's not sure WTF is going on and that many of his sources in the company are starting to think it's a work just based on all the weird shit around it (particularly Cena's Twitter...even though most of the other stuff is mere coincidence). But Meltzer also admitted that if its a work, its rather baffling and pointless because most casual fans still are totally unaware that any of this.

Oh yeah, and this'll give something for the IWC to fantasize about - I guess he even theorized that if they were to bring him back sooner rather than later, they could even have him be the guy that drove the limo...since the stunt driver does bear a slight resemblance:
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^ thats what ive been thinking all along, that he will be revealed as the driver...
Yeah, I thought at first it sort of looked like him, but then again it could've been some random indy jobber from a Charlotte-area fed for all we know. But yeah, I could definitely see that as a possibility for where this all goes eventually.
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From JR's Blog. He shoots down the rumor of Linda's campaign having anything to do with it:

I've made it a point to not to dwell much on politics on this website. There are many reasons why but largely I find politics boorish and self serving. Partisan politicians are to be disdained because when their personal or their parties agendas come before the American people I find it reprehensible. In my eyes, many TV politicians are akin to certain TV preachers and , well, we all know how that's worked out over the years.

Today a friend sent me a link to a wrestling website that posted a anonymous email saying that Daniel Bryan's firing had something to do with Linda McMahon's campaign for the Senate in Connecticut. More specifically this unknown, unidentified person even went so far as to say that Bryan's termination was dictated by the someone of authority in the campaign. First of all, if you knew Vince McMahon as I do you would know immediately how ridiculous that theory was. McMahon taking orders from some outsider? Right.

I've heard some BS in my life and my share of conspiracy theories during my 4 decades in the wrestling business but this one ranks right up there with some of the stupidest theories I've ever heard.

I like Linda McMahon personally and feel she is a class act as she has always treated me professionally and with respect but if she had asked me, she didn't BTW, I would have suggested to her to not walk but to sprint away from politics. I'm that down on the whole political scene and that world's half truths, posturing for personal gain, party first agendas, and the can't balance our own check book mentality of professional politicians. Granted Mrs. McMahon isn't a professional politician of which I should clarify and furthermore I am not a registered voter in the state of Connecticut.

In all the years that I worked in the front office of WWE never once did Linda attend a booking meeting, discuss with me or my group who was being fired or hired or what was going to happen on TV. When she appeared on TV as a character on a fictional show, for the record, she played a role that was written for her. She was never overjoyed, as I recall, about being on TV in the first place much less when she had to kick me south of the belt line one faithful night in Corpus Christi. She did not like the assignment and neither did I but we both did our jobs as we were produced to do. It was show biz plain and simple.

My point in this blog is that Linda McMahon has zero to do with the day to day running of the WWE and the WWE being the public company that is it isn't so stupid as to allow a political campaign to influence the hiring or firing of a wrestler, what happens in segment 11, or what's booked on the next PPV.

Linda has been detached from WWE likely longer than most outsiders even know.

I've had plenty of personal issues with WWE, for the record I still think that I should be working on the air, and this blog likely won't endear me to some of the higher ups but let me make this clear....Linda McMahon nor any of her campaign workers or staff have a damn thing to do with how the WWE operates from a business perspective and they never will.

The decisions that are made within the WWE are made in the best interest of a public company. End of story.

For someone to be 'anonymous' and to try and take a cowardly approach to why the mysterious termination of Daniel Bryan took place and to place the blame on a political campaign is simply insane. I have great respect for all fans and their opinions regarding the many complex facets of the business but this one has struck a chord that I felt compelled to address.

This anonymous tip business was just plain stupid and as comedian Ron White says, "You can't cure stupid."

Sorry to go off on a 'political' tangent but the talented Daniel Bryan is no longer in WWE's plans. I've been there and I know how he feels. Like many fans I, too, am personally disappointed in this development and hope that Bryan returns to WWE some day.

However, if the young man does or does not return it will have nothing to do with anyone's senate campaign.
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sounds like a politician
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I love how Madden and some people think the WWE did this to cut him down and kick him to the curb.
I highly doubt that. What would be the point of signing and pushing a guy just to prove a point? I don't think the WWE cares about what smart marks think that much.
Especially since the last thing they had him doing on television was kick John Cena in the head. If it was a premeditated act of burial, they would have had him job to hornswoggle or something.
It's obvious that whatever happened came up in the days following Raw, and had nothing to do with any agenda or conspiracy.
Madden is a clown.
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Yeah. I'm also fairly convinced that if he were to return relatively soon (ie: while the NXT angle is still going on, ie from now to SummerSlam probably), it will be as a heel and the "Daniel Bryan felt remorse" thing would just be a red herring.

I mean, if they were content with just pulling him out of the angle and being a face, they could have just had him be the only NXT guy to apologize and shit on air without actually firing him. I doubt any sponsors/politicans/whomever would be like "NO THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! FIRE HIM!"
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