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Old 12-11-2010, 12:59 AM   #1
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Lee's gonna look like a huge dickhead if he declines the Rangers' deal when they are offering pretty much the same amount of money for one less guaranteed year. Especially after that "6 years will keep me in Texas" shit
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Are you sure about the $140 figure from the Yankees? I've read a couple times that they were offering the same deal they did CC - 7 years and $161M.

Although that would make more sense on why this is dragging out. Unless he really doesn't want to be in NY can't imagine he passes up $20M.

The longer this drags out the better chance I think he goes to Texas.
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Are you sure about the $140 figure from the Yankees? I've read a couple times that they were offering the same deal they did CC - 7 years and $161M.

Although that would make more sense on why this is dragging out. Unless he really doesn't want to be in NY can't imagine he passes up $20M.

The longer this drags out the better chance I think he goes to Texas.
The $140-$150 was the last confirmed amount but ESPN did say the Yankees had talks about pushing it higher since the Rangers supposedly matched or offered more per year.
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I don't think that in his heart of hearts, Cliff Lee WANTS to go to New York. I just don't get that vibe from everything I've read.
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You left off Rollins who should still make bank regardless of if he's hurt or has a crummy season this year.
Rickie Weeks will probably get big money because of position scarcity.
Strong possibility that the Reds don't exercise Bradon Phillips' option, which makes him a huge fish.
Aramis Ramirez is a darkhorse.
Jose Bautista is gonna get paid. We all know it.
Michael Cuddyer is criminally underrated.
David Dejesus is also a solid ballplayer who is always under the radar.
Cody Ross and Jason Kubel are nice pieces who can occasionally carry the load.
Josh Willingham is a guy who could be great but never will, but is still a nice addition.
Mark Buerhle is indestructible. 10 straight seasons of 10+ wins and 200+ innings and he's only 33.


I dunno it seems like there's a ton of hidden gems in this next FA class. There are a lot of guys that every team can go after, not just the rich pricks. And I like those classes way more.
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I love that after 2 huge moves the Red Sox offered Lee a "low-ball" 7yr deal, but because he wants a 7 it forced the yankees to add a 7th year and spend more.

If everyone is healthy love the sox lineup next year... and they already have good pitching, most of them just had an off year last year at the same time. if some of them bounce back it will be a great year!
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I love that after 2 huge moves the Red Sox offered Lee a "low-ball" 7yr deal, but because he wants a 7 it forced the yankees to add a 7th year and spend more.

If everyone is healthy love the sox lineup next year... and they already have good pitching, most of them just had an off year last year at the same time. if some of them bounce back it will be a great year!
The pitching had a off year? I thought it was mostly the hitting that was off. They do need a reliever or 2 then that team would scare the fucking shit out of me.
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The pitching had a off year? I thought it was mostly the hitting that was off. They do need a reliever or 2 then that team would scare the fucking shit out of me.
injuries killed the hitting.

Pitching, Beckett, Dice-K, Pappelbon and you might even say Lester or Lackey performed sub-par then expected.
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Both killed the team last year.
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And the injuries.
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Read on an Angel's website that their #1 pick is protected(?) so the Jays won't get but a sandwich pick for Downs. Downs is money. He had real good years in T.O.
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The Boston Red Sox made an offer to New York Yankees closer Mariano Rivera(notes) this offseason that he then leveraged into a two-year, $30 million deal with the Yanks. WEEI reports that the Red Sox didn't initiate the talks. Instead, it was folks on Rivera's side of the table that came to the archrival Red Sox to talk about a potential deal for the free agent.
The site also notes that the Red Sox never intended to non-tender current closer Jonathan Papelbon(notes), even if Rivera had signed with the team, since he was worth a good deal whether he was in the bullpen or he earned draft picks for the team if he signed elsewhere.
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Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.
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Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.
Yup from what I heard they are after another Lee now.......Derek Lee. And it looks like Matsui may be close to being on the A'S.
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Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.
It's probably the Angels.

This "Cliff Lee Saga" has a certain feel that tells you that a mystery team can come out of nowhere and sign him, leaving the Yankees and Rangers dumbfounded.
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This "Cliff Lee Saga" has a certain feel that tells you that a mystery team can come out of nowhere and sign him, leaving the Yankees and Rangers dumbfounded.
Freaking called it. I knew it. He was dragging it on and on, which made it possible for a team to come in out of nowhere and steal him.

Halladay, Lee and Oswalt on the same team...Hamels as well...unbelievable.

This goes to show, like I said earlier, that the Yankees no longer have that "magic" they used to back in the day...before, every free agent wanted to be a Yankee, the organization wouldn't have to do too much in order to persuade free agents to go to New York and have the "privilege" of wearing the pinstripes...not so anymore...they've lost the "mystique".
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I hate Cliff fucking Lee so much now. Why did it have to be the Phillies? Out of all the teams in the world why, the Phillies? I would have preferred Cliff Lee on the Red Sox. Now, what are the Yankees gonna do? Obviously we can't go into the season with our pitching kinda in shambles. Cashman says Burnett had an "Off Year" But I really don't think so. I know I was against trading for Greinke from the start, but now I feel as if we don't really have a fucking choice.
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so A-Rod is going to try and bang Cliff Lee's wife if he goes to the Yankees?
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According to ESPN, the average salary last season in the MLB managed to top $3 million for the first time ever over the course of an entire season.

ESPN even broke down the positions by average and the most expensive position is 1B at $9.5 million with a bullpen pitcher being worth $2.5 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915468


Meanwhile, Jays and Nationals are the leading teams to get Greinke with the Brewers being the 3rd team but their problem is lack of quality players the Royals would ask in a trade.
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I wonder if Greinke is going to wait until Lee signs. Because you have to think that whichever team does not sign Lee is going to make an offer to Greinke
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Was thinking the same thing. It'd be smart of him to wait for Lee to sign.
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Ken Rosenthal says the Phillies are the mystery team in on the Cliff Lee sweepstakes.
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I kind of had a feeling they were.
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A lot of writers are saying the Phils are the favorites now for Lee. What are they offering that the Rangers and Yankees can't compete with? Supposedly he loved playing in Philly but I doubt he would leave $50 million on the table for that sole reason.
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I love Philadelphia, but I wouldn't leave 50 million on the table for it.
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Yeah, seems like everyone thinks Philly is the favorite now.

And apparently they're only offering 4-5 years. He must really love the city if he plans on leaving 50-70M on the table.

Rotation would be insane for them though - Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels-Whoever
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The Union won't let him leave 50-70 million on the table. That can't happen.
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The Phillies have clinched the division if they get Lee. No question.

They already were the favorites but not even the Braves could stack up with the Phillies if they had THAT rotation.
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Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.
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Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.
Not really all of them. I knew deep down that the Red Sox would get Crawford or Werth or both. And once Werth went to the Nats I said to myself "This is it Carl is going to Boston" I didn't know how long but I knew Crawford was going to the Red Sox

Other then that complete surprises.
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Phillies agree to sign Cliff Lee for five years.

I find it surprising since he had two seven year deals offered to him, but what a rotation with him, Doc, Oswalt, and Hamels.
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Wow. The Phillies just won the NL. Halladay AND Lee in a playoff series? No fucking way.
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