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Old 02-05-2016, 12:52 AM   #1
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And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with?

What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.

God you're a fucking idiot.
I'm not sure your point here. I dont even think you know your own point, you're so out of your element in this discussion. Every night has prime time. Are you trying to say Monday isn't the largest night for TV viewing?

They compete against everything on TV. Specific to RAW, its against whatever is on. TNT will often have basketball on, College Basketball this time of year on ESPN, NBC Sports has hockey, and then the other random shows on the rest of cable (Discovery, FX, etc). The point is RAW beats everything they compete against (except MNF when its in season) and special programming. This past week for example, the cable news channels saw a massive bump in ratings (CNN was 3X their normal numbers) because of the election coverage. May be shocking to learn, but possibly some of RAW's viewers were more concerned about who is going to potentially lead their country vs. the Dolph Ziggler-Kevin Owens match.

This past Monday RAW was the most watched show among men 18-49 and men 12-34. Thats a massive success. Its a WIN for the night in the TV business. I dont know what else you expect of them.

USA has virtually no other programming in prime time that does big numbers. I remember doing some work related to this, and I believe the analysis showed USA only had one other show Monday-Friday that reached the top 100 shows in terms of ratings - which was Suits. Everything else is all WWE - either RAW or Smackdown. But I know, I dont know what I'm talking about. And I know, RAW "should be doing a 7.0". I sometimes wish it was 1999 too, but its not.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:07 PM   #2
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Dropped 700,000 viewers from last week, damn.
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Should I change the name of this thread to something like "RAW Ratings Thread" or just leave it as is?
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Triple H is going to get cheered at WrestleMania and Roman Reigns is going to get booed, even if The Rock helps him. Hell, maybe ESPECIALLY if The Rock helps him.
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But the WWE will force it because reasons.
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It doesn't even make sense. The Authority hate Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose. What do they do? They put Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose in a situation where they can earn a title match. Smrt!
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"But Brock Lesnar is in there too!"

Why are The Authority on Brock Lesnar's side? The least of three evils? Do you really think The Authority want Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania? Triple H could explain it with a promo talking about how he wants to prove he can beat a healthy Brock, but he hasn't done that.

Plus Ambrose & Reigns can team-up to take out Brock first.

This is so fucking stupid.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:22 PM   #9
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Stuff like that is why the WWE needs some sort of continuity manager in Creative. Way too many times they do stuff that makes no sense story wise or contradicts stuff already established.
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There is this line of thinking that smarks are overly critical and such, but the current WWE product is bad television in that it doesn't make sense. I think stuff like that scares off more people than Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn realize.
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I believe that has all been addressed.
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They get beaten every week by Love and Hip Hop when it comes to the 18-49 demo.

Kinda just backs up my point that they'll be alright writing nonsensical, horrifically bad television because children will just watch for the pretty lights, explosions and violence. CyNick being so proud of it on WWE's behalf is hilarious.
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The production of the show isn't too bad. It's super tight for the most part. There are just too many flat segments where I could see your average fan tuning out for something better aka a Seinfeld rerun. I just don't get why it's so hard to grasp that maybe Vince and Kevin stepping back would be a good thing to put new life into the product.

As Cynick pointed out, staying on top for decades makes it impossible to keep up real hype and quality. Just because you CAN exist in this landscape doesn't mean you should. At 70 years old, Vince should be looking to retire and enjoy the fruits of his Labour.
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The production of the show isn't too bad. It's super tight for the most part. There are just too many flat segments where I could see your average fan tuning out for something better aka a Seinfeld rerun. I just don't get why it's so hard to grasp that maybe Vince and Kevin stepping back would be a good thing to put new life into the product.

As Cynick pointed out, staying on top for decades makes it impossible to keep up real hype and quality. Just because you CAN exist in this landscape doesn't mean you should. At 70 years old, Vince should be looking to retire and enjoy the fruits of his Labour.
But who says you have to watch all 190 minutes of the show. There are very few shows I sit through for 3 hours straight. I primarily watch sports, and its rare I watch a game from start to finish, I'm all over the dial. So to me when I see a decline in the 3rd hour of RAW, I dont see it as a big deal, its just that people have had their fill of sports entertainment. And also kids going to sleep. But it still shows interest in the product. Its just USA wants the extra hour of prime time programming, and are willing to pay a premium for it. So who is WWE to pass up the cash?
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But who says you have to watch all 190 minutes of the show. There are very few shows I sit through for 3 hours straight. I primarily watch sports, and its rare I watch a game from start to finish, I'm all over the dial. So to me when I see a decline in the 3rd hour of RAW, I dont see it as a big deal, its just that people have had their fill of sports entertainment. And also kids going to sleep. But it still shows interest in the product. Its just USA wants the extra hour of prime time programming, and are willing to pay a premium for it. So who is WWE to pass up the cash?
No one's saying you have to. The point is, if it was compelling enough, why would you change the channel? If I'm watching something that's truly compelling and entertaining me, like a great drama or action or sporting event, I'm highly unlikely to change the channel.

Raw and SD used to be so incredibly well written and compelling, to the point where I wouldn't miss it. When I rarely did have to miss it, it was a big deal that I didn't get to experience it live when it first aired. I either knew that something good was going to happen or that something unexpected/shocking was going to happen that either way, I'd regret not seeing live. That's no longer the case.

It actually became an inconvenience to watch it in its current state and I realized I have other things I'd rather do with my time. What's sad is, it doesn't have to be this way. As a fan for some 20 years, I want to watch it and enjoy it, all they have to do is write and book better.
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No one's saying you have to. The point is, if it was compelling enough, why would you change the channel? If I'm watching something that's truly compelling and entertaining me, like a great drama or action or sporting event, I'm highly unlikely to change the channel.

Raw and SD used to be so incredibly well written and compelling, to the point where I wouldn't miss it. When I rarely did have to miss it, it was a big deal that I didn't get to experience it live when it first aired. I either knew that something good was going to happen or that something unexpected/shocking was going to happen that either way, I'd regret not seeing live. That's no longer the case.

It actually became an inconvenience to watch it in its current state and I realized I have other things I'd rather do with my time. What's sad is, it doesn't have to be this way. As a fan for some 20 years, I want to watch it and enjoy it, all they have to do is write and book better.
Counting just RAW and SD that's 5 hours per week. What other episodic show do you invest 5 hours per week into? Hell i love WWE and it's rare I watch all of RAW and all of SD in a given week. I'm doing other stuff. Doesn't mean i don't enjoy when i do watch.
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They get beaten every week by Love and Hip Hop when it comes to the 18-49 demo.

Kinda just backs up my point that they'll be alright writing nonsensical, horrifically bad television because children will just watch for the pretty lights, explosions and violence. CyNick being so proud of it on WWE's behalf is hilarious.
Women.

Men are the more coveted demo. WWE wins there, and its not even close. And in terms of overall viewers, RAW again wins.
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Women.

Men are the more coveted demo. WWE wins there, and its not even close. And in terms of overall viewers, RAW again wins.
Are you gonna blame women for Smackdown losing and Raw often running neck-and-neck in the same demographic to 15-year-old reruns of Family Guy, too?

Also, love that last sentence. You literally quoted me to blatantly ignore the entire last paragraph of my post. Usually you just awkwardly try to avoid drawing attention to things you wanna ignore. Amazing.
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Are you gonna blame women for Smackdown losing and Raw often running neck-and-neck in the same demographic to 15-year-old reruns of Family Guy, too?

Also, love that last sentence. You literally quoted me to blatantly ignore the entire last paragraph of my post. Usually you just awkwardly try to avoid drawing attention to things you wanna ignore. Amazing.
I don't even know what you're talking about with family guy. I haven't seen FG draw more viewers than RAW. I'm not saying its impossible, just havent seen it.

I quoted you because your statement was a combination of not true and ignorant. RAW draws more viewers than the hip hop show end of story. You're right that the rating is sometimes a decimal point higher than RAW. But if you look deeper into the numbers (which I do on a regular basis) you see RAW trounces them in the key demo. RAW also kills them in total viewers. You're hung up on the rating point thing. But if you're an advertiser you just want eyeballs. A show on VH1 might do a slightly higher rating but if fewer people are watching than the show on USA, you will pay more for the show on USA. Provided the demo splits are favorable, and as I've explained, they are for RAW.

And even if it wasnt, were essentially debating whether RAW is #1, #2, or #3 show week in week out. Considering the show is three hours plus the fact that they do better or on par ratings with other shows that are only 30 or 60 minutes, that's a massive massive win for WWE. Essentially USA's entire prime time lineup for Monday and Thursday is WWE. That's close to 40% of their weekday lineup. When WWE is on, USA is at or near the top of the daily ratings. When WWE is not on they are almost 100% shut out of the leaderboard.

That demonstrates WWE is putting on compelling television that people come back for week after week after week. Nobody else in the game is close to being as prolific as WWE is in that regard.
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I don't even know what you're talking about with family guy. I haven't seen FG draw more viewers than RAW. I'm not saying its impossible, just havent seen it.
This is definitely going in the "CyNick has the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader" mega post...
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
On average dude, on average. I never once said every single TV show is down.

Walking Dead is no different than sports entertainment in the late 90s and early 2000s. You have hardcore fans who follow the show because they were aware of the comics. Then you have a large portion of their viewing audience that is more casual because TWD is the in show. Most TV shows though get in and get out, because they know its next to impossible to be the #1 rated show week in and week out like WWE is.

For record, I never said, nor do I believe WWE would beat TWD is ratings if they were on Sunday. But I just dont think its fair to compare what a show gets on one day and compare it to a show on another day. Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
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On average dude, on average. I never once said every single TV show is down.
You've used it as an excuse for why WWE's ratings are down. Walking Dead's ratings have consistently gone up. Tends to happen when you keep your product compelling. You draw in more viewers instead of losing them at a steady pace. CyNick doesn't comprehend well example #374.

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Walking Dead is no different than sports entertainment in the late 90s and early 2000s. You have hardcore fans who follow the show because they were aware of the comics. Then you have a large portion of their viewing audience that is more casual because TWD is the in show. Most TV shows though get in and get out, because they know its next to impossible to be the #1 rated show week in and week out like WWE is.

For record, I never said, nor do I believe WWE would beat TWD is ratings if they were on Sunday. But I just dont think its fair to compare what a show gets on one day and compare it to a show on another day. Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
You can keep asserting that the night of the week makes it unfair all you want. Your inability to actually give a reason is pretty telling though. If Raw were on Friday or Saturday nights, then you might have a point. There's no discernible difference between Monday and Sunday that would viewership plummet from one night to another. It's comparable. I know it's uncomfortable for you to admit but it is.

And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-49 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
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And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-34 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
Well I don't know how you expect him to acknowledge your facts with all that dickcheese in his mouth.
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You've used it as an excuse for why WWE's ratings are down. Walking Dead's ratings have consistently gone up. Tends to happen when you keep your product compelling. You draw in more viewers instead of losing them at a steady pace. CyNick doesn't comprehend well example #374.



You can keep asserting that the night of the week makes it unfair all you want. Your inability to actually give a reason is pretty telling though. If Raw were on Friday or Saturday nights, then you might have a point. There's no discernible difference between Monday and Sunday that would viewership plummet from one night to another. It's comparable. I know it's uncomfortable for you to admit but it is.

And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-49 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
i already addressed the demo thing. RAW wins every week with men 18-49, the hip hop show wins with women. The total 18-49 number is razor close. Vh1 has less distribution, so RAW draws more viewers in total and most likely 18-49 as well. Pay me a consulting fee and I will teach you the nuances of ratings. It will prevent you from looking dumb.
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i already addressed the demo thing. RAW wins every week with men 18-49, the hip hop show wins with women. The total 18-49 number is razor close. Vh1 has less distribution, so RAW draws more viewers in total and most likely 18-49 as well. Pay me a consulting fee and I will teach you the nuances of ratings. It will prevent you from looking dumb.
We get it. The most important demo is whichever specific one fits your argument best. Not 18-49 because that's bad for your argument. 18-49 men. And Smackdown beats Family Guy in the MOST MOST important demo of 18-49 males who are wrestling fans. Understood. Now moving on...

See my post above. Are you retarded?
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Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
Shut the fuck up you idiot.

Nobody thinks they are doing "terrible", they are just pulling mediocre MEH ratings because they can just maintain the status quo and that's okay for their bottom line.

You are honestly a giant piece of shit. Just go away already.
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Shut the fuck up you idiot.

Nobody thinks they are doing "terrible", they are just pulling mediocre MEH ratings because they can just maintain the status quo and that's okay for their bottom line.

You are honestly a giant piece of shit. Just go away already.
"MEH" ratings but them at the top of the heap.

Tough standard you have there
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
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Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
Season 1 average viewers: 5.24 million
Season 2 average viewers: 6.90 million
Season 3 average viewers: 10.40 million
Season 4 average viewers: 13.30 million
Season 5 average viewers: 14.40 million

But yeah, you wanna pick one episode that "proves" your point instead of looking at the entire year. It's the same thing that happens when Raw goes up for one week and you sarcastically ask everyone "does this mean things are good again?"

Just like when the average temperature is higher one year than it was the last it proves global warming is a myth.

Good try, you dumb fuck.
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Season 1 average viewers: 5.24 million
Season 2 average viewers: 6.90 million
Season 3 average viewers: 10.40 million
Season 4 average viewers: 13.30 million
Season 5 average viewers: 14.40 million

But yeah, you wanna pick one episode that "proves" your point instead of looking at the entire year. It's the same thing that happens when Raw goes up for one week and you sarcastically ask everyone "does this mean things are good again?"

Just like when the average temperature is higher one year than it was the last it proves global warming is a myth.

Good try, you dumb fuck.
Check season 6 ytd vs season 5 ytd and let me know what you find kid
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Check season 6 ytd vs season 5 ytd and let me know what you find kid
So you're backing away from your braindead attempt at only comparing one episode per season and are trying "this ongoing season is on pace to break the trend". Seriously. Fucking hell.

When you acknowledge how fucking retarded it was to try to compare the season premieres and ignore the overall ratings, dipshit. For once, instead of trying to ignore something stupid you've said in hopes it will be forgotten, I want you to actually acknowledge your retard logic or explain why it wasn't retarded. Go ahead.
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Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
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Season 1 average viewers: 5.24 million
Season 2 average viewers: 6.90 million
Season 3 average viewers: 10.40 million
Season 4 average viewers: 13.30 million
Season 5 average viewers: 14.40 million

But yeah, you wanna pick one episode that "proves" your point instead of looking at the entire year. It's the same thing that happens when Raw goes up for one week and you sarcastically ask everyone "does this mean things are good again?"

Just like when the average temperature is higher one year than it was the last it proves global warming is a myth.

Good try, you dumb fuck.
Please get someone to read these posts for you like 5 times a day until something clicks. Thank you.
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Please get someone to read these posts for you like 5 times a day until something clicks. Thank you.
Ah, I see, you wanted to have the debate at the END of Season 5.

If you had said every season was up at THAT point, and I disputed you, you would be right (YAY!!!!)...but I didnt, I disputed your claims during Season 6 whilst ratings are down, so you're wrong (AWW).

But keep posting. If you dream it, one day you will make a legitimate point. Keep reaching for the stars lil slugger.
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On a separate point, global warming is a myth.
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Ah, I see, you wanted to have the debate at the END of Season 5.

If you had said every season was up at THAT point, and I disputed you, you would be right (YAY!!!!)...
This is why I said to get someone to read the posts to you, Corky.
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I... I just... Are you shitting me right now? IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE! Read the first sentence of the page, FFS! lol

Are you now saying Family Guy reruns had an unfair advantage because it WASN'T in prime time? Holy fuck...
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I... I just... Are you shitting me right now? IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE! Read the first sentence of the page, FFS! lol

Are you now saying Family Guy reruns had an unfair advantage because it WASN'T in prime time? Holy fuck...
its not about unfair advantage. Its you not understanding what you are reading.

A 1.0 in 18-49 is not the same as a 1.0 at 8PM. You have fewer viewers watching TV past 11PM. Thats why advertisers care most about the 8PM-11PM window, because thats when the most people are watching TV.

At the end of the day an advertiser will care about the total audience and the 18-49 audience. Smackdown did roughly 2.7 million viewers. Even though FG got a 0.1 higher 18-49 rating, because fewer people had their TV on, they actually had LESS viewers than SD.

I understand this can be a complicated topic, so its understandable you keep looking bad.
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