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Old 06-21-2004, 05:55 PM   #1
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I'm just looking forward to watching cristiano rape ashley cole again.
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I'm just looking forward to watching cristiano rape ashley cole again.
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Well we need to lose the casual part of the game, we became a bit complacent after scoring the 3rd. Gerrard should have been bought off, he spent the last 15 minutes strolling around and giving the ball away.

Portugal haven't looked great, especially if they play with one main striker. Just need to defend better from set pieces.

To be honest i'm just happy we're here, no shame in losing to the hosts if we do and have to remember this is only the second time in the competitions histroy that we've got beyond the group stages.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:11 PM   #4
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I back Scotland whenever they play, same with Ireland and Wales. Obviously if it was against England id want England to win but in both the play off games I was cheering for the home nations.

We need to tighten up the marking from setpieces but Croatia have loads of 7' giant players so we were always going to be trouble at set pieces.
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Not saying it's unfair. Saying it's annoying. Support someone or don't. More pissed at the support "jocks" like Hansen and Gray.
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I back whatever temas have Utd players in usually, including scotland. If they lose, I'm still going to rub it in though. Not because I have any deep loathing for them, just cause that's what footballs for.
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Oh yeah, Molnar is the worst player in the tournament. Just have to stress it again.
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My Dad is born and bred Scottish, and he's with the English on Thursday, purely because he hates the Portugese for being a bunch of cheating, overrated asses, which is also my opinion.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:28 PM   #10
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I don't know, apart from that set up for rooney's header, Owen has been pretty terrible.
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The one two for Rooney's second goal.
The part he played in the first goal and second goal.
He hasn't been firing them in but his link up play has been good.
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that one two was awful. he underhit them both times and we were lucky not to lose the ball.
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At the end of the day, who can they replace Owen with? Heskey or Vassell? PLEASE! As a jock, I'm begging Sven to do that!
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At the end of the day, who can they replace Owen with? Heskey or Vassell? PLEASE! As a jock, I'm begging Sven to do that!
Oh no.
Not Heskey.
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Rooney has to be signing for Chelsea or Man United now.
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Rooney has to be signing for Chelsea or Man United now.
Any offers less than £50million would be laughed at.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:52 PM   #17
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Vassell has looked more dangerous than Owen thus far.
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Vassell has looked more dangerous than Owen thus far.
I didn't see the 2nd game, but when I've seen Vassell on the pitch, he seems to be doing a lot more than Owen.
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C'mon Ronaldo for a crazy dive going by Neville in the 90th minute to put England out and then get chased out of the country thus fucking England and United in one move.
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Vassell has also been brought on when we were ahead against a poor Swiss team and ahead against an already beaten Croatia. Credit to him he did his part against France but then again Silvestre and Thuram were having mares that night.
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Oh an as for Owen, clearly Mask you do not and never have played up front. Lemme explain why Owen was good today.

Basically Rooney was dropping back and at times playing in front of the midfield, and not across the Croat's defence. When Rooney was getting the ball here, the Croats defence stayed where they were, meaning Owen would be against 4 defenders. Although a player spends the huge majority of the game off the ball, and when attackers are off the ball they are meant to find space, Owen was too outnumbered to do this. Admittedly for the first goal Owen had a bad first touch, and he has lost YARDS of pace and is nowhere near as fast as in '98, but he played a huge part in the first three goals, without Owen we wouldn't have scored them. Just because he didn't see as much of the ball, your often forgetting that although it is Owen's job to score goals, assisting three is not bad at all. I have three critisms of Owen, 1) He is too slow not, 2) He is weak as shit, 3) His first touch is dire. I think we should keep playing him because he is still one of our best strikers.
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There isn't enough movement out of Owen right now. He hasn't adapted his game to make up for his lack of pace. He's stronger now, and he's still an excellent finisher, but he is still trying to play as a pacey opportunist, on the shoulder, looking to slip past defenders when the ball comes over the top or through.

He isn't quick enough to do that any more. He needs to start making more intelligent runs, getting himself into better positions. Generally, he needs to work a lot harder. He offers nothing to England by being so static.
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Owen is good at holding the ball up, and often makes the right passes, he was given a high amount of stupid hopeless balls to him that he was expected to make something out of nothing. If Owen was so static he would not have created three goals. Like I say though, the way Rooney plays means its much harder for Owen to find space, as Rooney moves away from the opposing centre backs which means Owen is tighter marked. I agree that Owen shouldn't try and be a pacey attacker anymore, but the fact is thats how Sven wants him to play so he has to stick with it.

I think he made some great runs today, alot of them resulted in him either fluffing the end product or the balls being played to him sucking and not reaching him.
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I'm not talking so much about this game, more like in how he has been playing over the past several months.

The Croatian defence was tragically static itself, probably because there is absolutely no pace in it, and they did not want to be caught out by Rooney or Owen. They weren't interested in pressing at all.

They ended up being caught out anyway.
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Admittedly I haven't seen too much of him in the last couple of months, just the last week. What I do know about the last week is that he set up Roonaldo's first goal against the Swiss, and had key assists in three today, thats half of our goals he has had a big part in, if he was as bad as people (like Mask) claim, he would not be doing that. Owen also need to just be more confident, you may have noticed I haven't argued with your last post, this is because I agree with you.

On a different note, who should Englands penalty taker be? Owen keeps missing penalties and I wouldn't let him near the spot, and Beckham has taken one good penalty in over two years for England, and that was against (In think) Turkey, not the one he fluffed over the bar, in the other leg. His penalties against the Argies, France and Turky were shit in the last two years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea's penalty taker, having scored against Tim Howard and Shay Given this season, those two are regarded as two of the best keepers in England. When Lampard took the penalty against United there was shitloads of pressure as it was 0-0, likewide against Newcastle it was 2-0 at the time and anything could have happened, the point is Lamprd scored against the top clubs in the Premiership under pressure. Him or Roonaldo would be my pick, trouble with the Rooney Toon if that he is inexperienced at taking penalties.
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Lampard or Scholes.
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I can see why you said Scholes, he is the man at shooting, but he doesn't take them for his club, therefore would it be a good idea for him to take them at country level, I would always prefer someone who takes them for his club too. Then again, I am biased towards Lampard.
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Scholes is a good penalty taker. I can remember him hitting a few for United.

I'd be pretty confident with either Lampard or Scholes. Scholes maybe just nods it because I think nothing fazes him.

Robbie Keane is my favourite penalty taker. Balls of steel. Last minute in injury time of a WC last 16 game against Spain, and he thumps it into the top corner. Beautiful.
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There are two strikers that I have always wanted Chelsea to sign, Robbie Keane and Morientes. I still wish we signed Keane instead of Spurs.
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Keane is the man. I wish Chelsea had signed him instead of Spurs too, because he is wasted there. One of the best first touches I have ever seen.

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Lol, just watching Wimbledon and they were showing Goran Ivanesivic watching the football match last night.
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Old 06-22-2004, 08:19 PM   #33
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Lol, just watching Wimbledon and they were showing Goran Ivanesivic watching the football match last night.
Well it serves him right for beating Pat Rafter :foc:
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Old 06-22-2004, 01:01 AM   #34
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All I have to say is that pass and run by Rooney were unbelievable
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:08 AM   #35
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Owen was poor. He might've done a few things of note, but he at least 3 shots that Rooney would've took without a doubt. He was useless at trying to scare the keeper by running at him, as he always pulled out at the last moment, and always came off worst for any 50/50 balls with defenders.

He's lost his pace, which was his main threat anyway. He doesn't have any real physical presence in the game, and when you have a player who has no pace and no physical strength to scare defenders with, you'd want your man to have extraordinairy technical talent, which I don't think Owen has. He's not terrible, but I think we have better options avaliable. Heskey not being one of them.:
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Old 06-22-2004, 08:06 AM   #36
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I couldn't pick fault with any of them last night. I've finally seen the value of Gary Neville being in the team and Ashley Cole, damn, he's got bags of energy and is fast as fuck. Felt sorry for Owen but he's creating goals and he'll get one eventually. Beckham was probably the most quiet player in the team but he was getting fouled quite a bit. And Rooney, well...

The defence can let in as many goals as they like, the creativity in the team is phenomonal and there's always goals on the horizon. Portugal will be an interesting game (my two picks). Either team could do it and go on to win the tournament IMO.
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Old 06-22-2004, 02:16 PM   #37
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I couldn't pick fault with any of them last night. I've finally seen the value of Gary Neville being in the team and Ashley Cole, damn, he's got bags of energy and is fast as fuck. Felt sorry for Owen but he's creating goals and he'll get one eventually. Beckham was probably the most quiet player in the team but he was getting fouled quite a bit. And Rooney, well...
Gary Neville is a wank defender, him and Phil are both much better attacking, Neville made one good block all game, and stood up to his man well (when he was acting as a left back) other then that I thought the same as I always have, stick on Carragher at right back.
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Old 06-22-2004, 03:39 PM   #38
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Gary Neville is a wank defender, him and Phil are both much better attacking, Neville made one good block all game, and stood up to his man well (when he was acting as a left back) other then that I thought the same as I always have, stick on Carragher at right back.
Neville is the best English right back, Carragher is not an improvement.
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Old 06-22-2004, 08:12 AM   #39
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No-one had a particularly bad game, i was impressed with both full backs and James did well in goal, though i felt he maybe could have got a stronger hand to the shot leading to Croatia's first.

May aswell stick with Owen, Vassell is hardly known for scoring loads and that Owen-Rooney partnership is getting better by the game. I would like to see Heskey come on instead of Vassell if we're in trouble against Portugal though, Andrade and Carvalho both have the pace but don't seem as tall as Couto, so i think Heskey could be used to pressurise them in the latter stages.

I think we can beat Portugal because they don't look like scoring too many in all honesty but, considering this is the first time we've reached the quarter's abroad, i won't be mad if we don't.
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