MLB Season Thread - Page 17

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:34 AM

Well the Giants don't really fit into the whole "Cali thing" because he was from the LA area if I'm not mistaken. SoCal and NoCal are pretty different. I'm not saying the Giants have no chance or aren't going for him, but I think what people refer to is the Dodgers and Angels.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-03-2004, 03:49 AM

Yea that's true. Its still closer then most places though.

Like I said before that might not even be a factor at all, everyone assumes it is but I am starting to doubt it. I just think SF will pick him up, or maybe even the White Sox, but for some reason I don't see him saying with the Cubs.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:53 AM

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

**VonErich Lives** · 10-03-2004, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

Gammons was saying that the Cubs are talking about not even offering Nomar a contract him because of injury risk.

I don't follow the NL closely, but what's the SS situation in SD? That might be a good fit for him.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:56 AM

Also, I can't see the Cubs losing a contract duel with their cross town rivals. I guess there are plenty of shortstops on the market this year, but they probably aren't going to get a guy better than Noma.

**DaveWadding** · 10-03-2004, 05:43 AM

If Nomar goes to the White Sux, I hope he dies.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 06:29 AM

Me too

**Yashamaga** · 10-03-2004, 02:35 PM

Future Gold Glover Khalil Greene

**The Outlaw** · 10-03-2004, 05:09 PM

LOL write an essay about it

**Apprentice** · 10-03-2004, 06:29 PM

O boy. Its set in the NL.
Cardinals vs Dodgers.
Braves vs Astros.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 06:32 PM

I would have liked the Cards and Dodgers to meet in the NLCS. Both should be good series' though.

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2004, 06:37 PM

I wished the fucking Cubs would of made the Wildcard

**House of Pancakes** · 10-03-2004, 06:45 PM

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

**Apprentice** · 10-03-2004, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by House of Pancakes

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

**House of Pancakes** · 10-03-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprentice

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

Oh, interesting. That's kind of a dumb rule, but it kinda makes sense also.

**DegenerationY** · 10-03-2004, 07:00 PM

Giants

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

Giants

**The Outlaw** · 10-03-2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DegenerationY

Giants

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

Giants

cry about it

**DegenerationY** · 10-03-2004, 07:01 PM

Also, I hate every single NL team in the playoffs this year, and I strongly dislike most of the AL teams in the playoffs this year.

Go Boston.

**The Miz** · 10-03-2004, 07:10 PM

I expect Beane to make a shitload of moves for Oakland in the offseasom. These guys are definately gone:

Jermaine Dye
Mark Redman
Mark McLemore
Jim Mecir
Bobby Kielty

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-03-2004, 07:20 PM

Angels have the homefield advantage even though the Sox have a better record lol

**Loose Cannon** · 10-03-2004, 07:23 PM

I just want Sox/Yanks again. That should be the World Series match up. It should just end there.

**VonErich Lives** · 11-04-2004, 04:49 PM

Hey Hero, Remember before the season we disagreed on Vazquez, I called him a NL pitcher who wouldn't do as well in the AL, you disagreed...

here's his stats... who was right?

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2001 Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208
2002 Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179
2003 Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241
2004 Yankees14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150

Career Totals 78 78 4.26 224 223 16 6 0 --- 1427.1 1430 733 676 188 42 391 1226

I don't count wins, when you pitch for a hitting team like the yanks (same thing for Sox pitchers) ERA, SO, IP, Hits, ER...

**YOUR Hero** · 11-05-2004, 09:29 PM

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

**VonErich Lives** · 11-07-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

I think he is a good pithcer, I think part probably was the big stage abd that he'll get over, but there's a thing about an NL pitcher coming to the AL, unless it's one of the best (pedro, schill, RJ who was an AL pitcher)..

In the NL, you normally face 8 hitters and a pitcher and a lot of NL teams are built on speed/defense and you tend to face 5-7 real "hitters".

Where the AL, not just do you face a DH, but a DH is normally a .290+ 25HR+ type guy, so not just is it another hitter, it's a big power guy.

That was what I based my prediction off of. Plus, if it's an pitcher going to the AL East, it's even worse because there going to have teams like Boston and/or NY to deal w/ a few times a year, plus other AL teams like Angels, Baltimore.

10-03-2004, 03:34 AM	#1
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Well the Giants don't really fit into the whole "Cali thing" because he was from the LA area if I'm not mistaken. SoCal and NoCal are pretty different. I'm not saying the Giants have no chance or aren't going for him, but I think what people refer to is the Dodgers and Angels.

10-03-2004, 03:49 AM	#2
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yea that's true. Its still closer then most places though. Like I said before that might not even be a factor at all, everyone assumes it is but I am starting to doubt it. I just think SF will pick him up, or maybe even the White Sox, but for some reason I don't see him saying with the Cubs.

10-03-2004, 03:53 AM	#3
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

10-03-2004, 03:56 AM	#5
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Also, I can't see the Cubs losing a contract duel with their cross town rivals. I guess there are plenty of shortstops on the market this year, but they probably aren't going to get a guy better than Noma.

10-03-2004, 05:43 AM	#6
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	If Nomar goes to the White Sux, I hope he dies.

10-03-2004, 06:29 AM	#7
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Me too

10-03-2004, 02:35 PM	#8
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	Future Gold Glover Khalil Greene

10-03-2004, 05:09 PM	#9
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	LOL write an essay about it

10-03-2004, 06:29 PM	#10
Apprentice You're Fired Posts: 338	O boy. Its set in the NL. Cardinals vs Dodgers. Braves vs Astros.

10-03-2004, 06:32 PM	#11
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I would have liked the Cards and Dodgers to meet in the NLCS. Both should be good series' though.

10-03-2004, 06:37 PM	#12
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	I wished the fucking Cubs would of made the Wildcard

10-03-2004, 06:45 PM	#13
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

10-03-2004, 07:00 PM	#16
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Giants Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop... But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player. I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster. But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones. Giants

10-03-2004, 07:01 PM	#18
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Also, I hate every single NL team in the playoffs this year, and I strongly dislike most of the AL teams in the playoffs this year. Go Boston.

10-03-2004, 07:10 PM	#19
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I expect Beane to make a shitload of moves for Oakland in the offseasom. These guys are definately gone: Jermaine Dye Mark Redman Mark McLemore Jim Mecir Bobby Kielty

10-03-2004, 07:20 PM	#20
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Angels have the homefield advantage even though the Sox have a better record lol

10-03-2004, 07:23 PM	#21
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I just want Sox/Yanks again. That should be the World Series match up. It should just end there.

11-04-2004, 04:49 PM	#22
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Hey Hero, Remember before the season we disagreed on Vazquez, I called him a NL pitcher who wouldn't do as well in the AL, you disagreed... here's his stats... who was right? SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO 2001 Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208 2002 Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179 2003 Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241 2004 Yankees14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150 Career Totals 78 78 4.26 224 223 16 6 0 --- 1427.1 1430 733 676 188 42 391 1226 I don't count wins, when you pitch for a hitting team like the yanks (same thing for Sox pitchers) ERA, SO, IP, Hits, ER...

11-05-2004, 09:29 PM	#23
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.