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Old 12-05-2012, 07:23 AM   #681
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Dickey's had three good years in a row, too. Well, two good years followed by one fabulous year. Been money since he came to the Mets. His 2011 season is often overlooked because of the 8-13 record, proof that wins and losses just aren't good metrics to use. Might be the best signing Omar Minaya made during his entire tenure.

One rumor floating around was Dickey for Arencibia and Gose. That would be an awful trade for the Mets. They have about 5 million lefty-hitting outfielders already. And Arencibia has some nice pop but can't be counted on to hit for a decent average or reach base consistently. Basically he'd be a righty Luca Duda.

Sounds like Greinke and Sanchez have to sign before teams might panic and offer more for Dickey than they already have. So it's unlikely to happen before the Winter Meetings are done.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:25 AM   #682
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Sandy's been shopping around Niese too - might be more attractive to teams than Dickey because he's young, good, left-handed, and has a team-friendly contract. Again interest sounds low until the Greinke and Sanchez dominos fall.
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Sanchez is no way worth what he is commanding. I feel like the Scutaro deal is way under the money he could have got
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A 37 year old journeyman ShortStop with little power and 1 great post season? He played the Giants like a fiddle, I think.
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The Giants are being stupid this offseason. 60 mill for Pagan and Scutaro? LOL
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The Giants are being stupid this offseason. 60 mill for Pagan and Scutaro? LOL
Sabean is simply the luckiest GM I have ever seen. None of his moves make any sense but something else happens and he rides it to a title. I do like Pagan though, and getting him for andres torres was a great deal.

Was very pissed when the cubs got rid of him. "A switch hiring OF who can play all three positions, has a little power and can steal bases? Nah....."
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Nothing else out there to replace Scutaro with.
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White Sox sign Jeff Keppinger. 3-years, $12 mil.

O's resign Nate McClouth. 1-year, $2 mil. with 500k in incentives.

Jason Bay to Seattle. 1-year, <$1mil.

D-Backs sign Eric Chavez. 1-year, $3 mil.

Cardinals sign Randy Choate. 3-years, $7.5 mil.

and finally

Angels sign Sean Burnett. 2 years, $9.5 mil.


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Red Sox current rumors involve them willing to listen to offers for Lester and Ellsbury but the asking price for both are really high. One of the conditions include eating up most of what's left on ether's current contract.
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Love how infield reed Johnson costs 12 mil.

My only question is if he will be more like mark kotsay or mark teahan?
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Can't wait till the white sox implode right after they promoted kenny williams and all his shitty trades which destroyed the farm, his sweetheart deals to old broken players, and terrible spending to supplant average teams to keep the illusion of sustained competitiveness come back to bite the team. Sincerely hope they start the year with guys like tyler flowers in the lineup so it gets as bad as it can.

It may be hard to believe, but this franchise is 1-2 years behind the Cubs at this point.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:42 PM   #692
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Why such hate on the White Sox? Maybe because they won a World Series before the Cubs did?
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If I were a betting man I'd say it was because the White Sox won a World Series before the Cubs did.
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Angels sign Joe Blanton. 2-years, $15 mil.

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MLB Network tonight proposed a trade of Dickey for Granderson. They've gone batshit crazy.
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Why such hate on the White Sox? Maybe because they won a World Series before the Cubs did?
No, too easy.

I really like the way reisnsdorf runs his club. Shows a lot of loyalty all the way to the bottom. I just hate the love for kenny williams and how sox fan are so proud of themselves for no reason.

Kenny is the AL Brian sabean. He wins in spite of himself. All the moves he does go against normal thought. Hes escaped blame because the team is always "in it" even if they suck balls. They are about to face plant this year something fierce, and since he has deceimated their farm, and left the big league club with its best players being ready to fall off a cliff due to old age, or major injury risks, he has nothing left to trade to get a rebuilding project underway.

Sox fan are always so proud of their team, yet they have shit attendance and couldn't be bothered to show up even when the team is "in it" and the team treats its season ticket holders like gods while ticket reps at wrigley could care less if you live or die. They still think Tom gamboa getting beat up is funny.
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Cubs sign Nick Schierholtz. 1-year, $2.25 mil. with 500k in incentives.

That's 3 guys Cashman lost to free agency today.
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Also, despite being a Cub fan, management on the business side thinks their shit don't stink. Ought to be fun to see what they try to do after selling out every game from 04-11 now that the team was bad, is bad, and is going to be bad for the next couple of seasons at least.

I'm an objective baseball fan who happens to be a cub fan who has been telling all his sox fan friends for the last 2 years that this is the season the Sox turn into the Houston Astros while providing the logic for my conclusion. The only response I get is "Sox R in it this year!" That's where the hate comes from. Cheers.
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So you're saying that you hate Kenny Williams because he makes unconventional moves that pay off in his team having a winning record? Do you hate Billy Beane too?
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No and yes.

Kennys moves are not unconventional, they are extremely short sighted and pay off in very moderate ways. see Youk, liriano trades, and he gets credit here for doing the unthinkable when in this this case...no one wanted those guys.

Bean is different. He made a huge discovery and he used it to gain an advantage over other teams. Now that other teams have added his philosophyto their repetouir, he is once again limited by his budget. His model used in its purest form gets you the Seattle Mariners. What has he won as a gm if he is so great? He's had lots of opportunity to gm in a city with a larger budget but he is content where he is. Which menas he isn't a winner.
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Seattle was meant as an example of a team with a larger budget, BTW.
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The o's took a minor league flyer on Connor Jackson, who I'd totally forgotten about. .271 hitter over 7 years..last I remembered a couple years ago he hit a grand slam with the red sox over the monster vs the o's..but apparently he's been bouncing around since getting valley fever in 09 while with the d-backs.

He was also born 18 days before I was..

Could see him playing 1b if he has a strong spring training since 1b is pretty wide open.
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Was Chris Davis really that bad at 1B? I thought he was supposed to be fine defensively.
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Love how infield reed Johnson costs 12 mil.

My only question is if he will be more like mark kotsay or mark teahan?
How silly of me. Mark Teahen got signed to a 3 year 14 mil extension, so Keppinger is the second coming of Teahen.
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What happened to Josh Fields? Everyone thought he was going to be the Mariners closer by now back in the day.
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As if A-Rod at the hot corner wasn't bad enough.
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Was Chris Davis really that bad at 1B? I thought he was supposed to be fine defensively.
they put reynolds at first and gave nick johnson starts as well. davis actually filled in ok in rf..but hes seen as a dh.
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Oh and a very credible source who overheard a board of directors meeting says that the yanks will sign youk for 3 years and $50 mil.
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Sad about the situation at 3rd base in New York and sick of hearing about the hole at catcher that can easily be filled by Cisco Cervelli. Youk at third base while A-Rod rehabs and bathes in money is enough to make fans vomit.
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Look, if you can get youk on a one year deal at a low price (dunno if 12 mil would be low but whatevs) while a rod works his way back why not?

He can still hit lefties, and will probably hit well enough at home to be passable. Not like tex is what he used to be either. So he's a 1b/3b/dh who can be traded at the deadline if everyone is healthy and going strong, if not he makes for a decent backup plan if someone goes down. Youl probably deal for him if something happens to a rod or tex anyway.

Not many other FA options unless you like mark Reynolds.
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