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Old 06-07-2004, 04:24 AM   #681
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Yeah I didn't read the rest of the posts after that.

Like I've said all along, this series will be a lot closer and a lot more exciting than everyone said/thought. But I'm thinking the only reason people said that in the first place was because they hate the Lakers
I say it because I'm a huge Ben mark. Most people are huge Ben marks. You can't not love the guy.
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No I meant I think the only reason people have said it was going to be boring and blowouts was because they hate the Lakers.

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I said boring because the Pistons make basketball boring if you're into high-scoring highlight reel affairs.

Remember Ravens- Giants? Voted one of the most boring games ever because the Giants "potent offense" was destroyed by the Ravens D.

My favorite Superbowl EVER. Never seen a defense play better football than on that day.

So to see the Lakers get shut down? Hell yeah.

Problem is, they give the ball to Shaq more, like in the Wolves series, it's a different ballgame.

However, I have faith in the pistons.
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Want to beat the Lakers? Let Shaq get his points, but keep him off the boards and close down on Bryant, Malone, Fisher, George, Payton and co.
Shaq - 34 and 10
Kobe 25, but on 10-27 (1-4 3pt)
Payton 3
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Rush 0

Sorry PureHatred you were saying?

Kobe got his, but if he's hoisting 27 shots to get 25 points, I'd cop it.
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Shaq could have had 50 easily if they would have kept going to him.
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Has Shaq ever even scored 50 in one game?
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Has Shaq ever even scored 50 in one game?
No but hes scored 60
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I never remembered him having a dominant scoring night like that. Like Kevin Garnett can totally dominate a game but I'm not sure he's ever scored 45 points in a game, I thought Shaq was the same way. High percentage shots etc.
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I never remembered him having a dominant scoring night like that. Like Kevin Garnett can totally dominate a game but I'm not sure he's ever scored 45 points in a game, I thought Shaq was the same way. High percentage shots etc.
KG is unselfish.

Shaq got 60 on his birthday I think. They just kept feeding him the ball.

Remember KG got 35 at the All Star game?

And imagine how many points he could get if fouls actually got called on him?

Like, 1) He'd go to the line 10+ times a game and 2) People would foul him less, because fouling him would no longer be a defense as it is for Shaq - KG is ok from the FT line. 3) If KG wasn't abused all game with no calls, he would have enough energy to take over in the 4th quarter in almost every game.

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His high this year was 37 I think.

Last year he popped 40 on Minnesota, 42 on the Clippers, and 48 on Boston.

Year before he had a lot more 40+ games. Then back in 2000 he had 61 against the Clips.

The thing is, he always has a high shooting percentage in these games and he still (for the most part) misses a lot of free throws. I always hear people talk about what if Kobe didn't play with Shaq, saying he would shatter scoring records and such. These people should be slapped. Kobe, TMac, Iverson, etc. are guys who shoot 30+ times a LOT of the time. Most of the games where Shaq scores so much he shoots 70+ % from the field. If he got the ball more and could be decent from the line, he would be unstoppable, IMO of course.
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His high this year was 37 I think.

Last year he popped 40 on Minnesota, 42 on the Clippers, and 48 on Boston.

Year before he had a lot more 40+ games. Then back in 2000 he had 61 against the Clips.

The thing is, he always has a high shooting percentage in these games and he still (for the most part) misses a lot of free throws. I always hear people talk about what if Kobe didn't play with Shaq, saying he would shatter scoring records and such. These people should be slapped. Kobe, TMac, Iverson, etc. are guys who shoot 30+ times a LOT of the time. Most of the games where Shaq scores so much he shoots 70+ % from the field. If he got the ball more and could be decent from the line, he would be unstoppable, IMO of course.
What ifs? If he was in better shape, and a few years younger, and got the ball more, and put in consistent effort, and could shoot free throws, yeah he'd be unstoppable.
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Where did I say anything about him being a few years younger, put in a consistent effort, and was in better shape?

Right now (as in PRESENT time), if he got the ball more/shot more, he would be the league's leading scorer and even moreso the most dominating player in the league.
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Where did I say anything about him being a few years younger, put in a consistent effort, and was in better shape?

Right now (as in PRESENT time), if he got the ball more/shot more, he would be the league's leading scorer and even moreso the most dominating player in the league.
I didn't say you said that.

I said I said that.

You said unstoppable. I amended the requisits to become "unstoppable."

He would be the most dominant player in the league, for certain, but teams could still hack-a-Shaq, and can still out-hustle him, and I mean, he was below 100 percent for what, 2 seasons because of his toe?

And sometimes he doesn't try all that hard.

PS: He got called for 3 seconds on a play where he spent 10 seconds in the paint, traveled, and threw an elbow into his defender's face.

I'd be dominant if I didn't have to play by the rules too.
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Shaq has played with Kobe wasn't there, and he is better with Kobe. This is just a huge assumption that if Shaq takes 20 more shots a night he will score 30 more points, and that is rediculous, because if he was capable of doing that he already would be.
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No. He's not a ballhog, he gets his teamates involved no matter where he has been. I'm just saying it's pretty pathetic people say Kobe would do a lot better without Shaq, that's all.
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Every shooter needs a post-up player.

Shaq is the best in the post (even without Stern's help)

Every big man needs an outlet for when he's triple-teamed. Shaq not as much as other post players, but it's still important -- his percentage would be down if he had someone swiping at the ball from his front while another player tried to post him up.

Kobe is one of the best shooters and cutters.

I think they belong together. It's a working formula. Just like KG can make any Point Guard a star... Shaq makes his entire backcourt better.

And I mean, Malone should be getting 35 a night against teams that commit the double team on Shaq. What the fuck? It's like he's not even going to try his hardest because he knows he doesn't have to. What a bitch.
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I don't think either Shaq or Kobe would be better alone
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree that they thrive off of each other's presence. I just got really irritated at a mate of mine because he was ripping Shaq down saying Kobe would be a lot more dominant playing elsewhere where he would be getting all the shots.

Sorry if I didn't make it more clear.
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Also, who was it that said this would be a lot closer/more exciting series?

Oh yeah.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree that they thrive off of each other's presence. I just got really irritated at a mate of mine because he was ripping Shaq down saying Kobe would be a lot more dominant playing elsewhere where he would be getting all the shots.

Sorry if I didn't make it more clear.

Kobe would be a lot more dominant, yes.

He would be putting up Tracy McGrady numbers.

You know, like 35 points, 12 boards, 60 losses.
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Kobe's #'s would probably increase more than Shaqs would if they were playing alone, but that also means that Kobe would be shooting more low percentage shots, so it wouldn't neccessarily mean he was better or more dominant. High percentage shots win games.
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Kobe's #'s would probably increase more than Shaqs would if they were playing alone, but that also means that Kobe would be shooting more low percentage shots, so it wouldn't neccessarily mean he was better or more dominant. High percentage shots win games.
Just the long and unfunny way of repeating what I said.
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Also, who was it that said this would be a lot closer/more exciting series?

Oh yeah.
I knew it would be awesome.
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I thought it was going to suck but I am wrong so far

That 3 pointer might completely kill this series. Although the Pistons came out with the split I highly doubt they were feeling good after losing a game they should have won.
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That 3 pointer might completely kill this series. Although the Pistons came out with the split I highly doubt they were feeling good after losing a game they should have won.

I called it. With an assload of time to go, they said something about no team EVER making it out of a 2-0 hole. I said, either they will lose 3 and come back and win the final 4 to defy history, OR they will tie the game and send it to OT and win, gaining momentum and breaking the Pistons.

HOWEVER.

Remember, vs the Nets Chauncey hits a half-court shot at the buzzer to send it to Overtime. Three overtimes later, they lose the game.

I think if any team can overcome a "demoralizing loss," it's the Pistons.
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I now feel like Bean did with Crawford.
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Did I ever mention the article written about how David Stern is orchestrating the NBA? The guy predicted that Stern is setting up the Lakers for a fall...

I LOVED tonight's game. I orgasmed on my TV.

BUT I will not be like other people and try denying poor officiating, just because the game went my way.

On one hand, Shaq's bullshit finally got called... FINALLY... on the other hand, I saw so many uncalled hand-checks, I don't know what to think.

Horrible officiating but HAHAHAHAHA OMG history was made tonight! 68 points.
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Thing about it is, Shaq didn't have a bad game.

LOL @ SHaq's press conference.

"Hello, I am so and so from israel TV. It seems like there was a period of time where they were going to you every single possession and you were scoring and dominating and then they kind of stopped."

"Yeah. Story of my life buddy."
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OH MAN Lakers got shitted on 2niiiiiite

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lol @ Karl poking the Detroit fan in the eye
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Another solid effort from Payton & Malone. What great contributions that dynamic duo has brought to this finals
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Detroit must win this next game, otherwise they will have worked too hard early and lose it in the end IMO.

BTW, if the Lakers bring back Payton next year, they are dumb (I guess its not really their choice though is it?)
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Detroit must win this next game, otherwise they will have worked too hard early and lose it in the end IMO.

BTW, if the Lakers bring back Payton next year, they are dumb (I guess its not really their choice though is it?)
I wouldn't say that. Game 5 is the game that Detroit must win. They can't let L.A. get any momentum going back to L.A., even though Detriot should have taken the first two there. Besides, L.A. has lost the last 7 Finals series in which they trailed 2-1. Gary Payton has shown without a shadow of a doubt that he is washed up, yet the commentators try to defend him based on the player he used to be. He hasn't averaged ten points a game in any of their playoff series.
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I wouldn't say that. Game 5 is the game that Detroit must win. They can't let L.A. get any momentum going back to L.A., even though Detriot should have taken the first two there. Besides, L.A. has lost the last 7 Finals series in which they trailed 2-1. Gary Payton has shown without a shadow of a doubt that he is washed up, yet the commentators try to defend him based on the player he used to be. He hasn't averaged ten points a game in any of their playoff series.
1) He's trying too hard to back off and let the Shaq and Kobe show do their thing. If he tried to take over the team, he would piss off the two players who "matter" there.

2) He's on cruise control, because all he wants is a ring. He doesn't want to stay in Los Angeles, so he will play well enough to ensure they win the series, then go elsewhere or retire.

3) He doesn't fit into the system. I can buy that, he didn't fit into the Triangle, so they abandoned it... now what? The ball still doesn't run through him. It should, and I think he is worse because it doesn't.

4) He is getting destroyed on the pick and roll. Shaq's big fat ass is the reason that teams can pick Payton without worrying, and getting their PG free. Either they need a LONG, athletic Forward, or they need to trade Shaq for a more athletic Center and you know, 6 draft picks and a bench defender.

You never know. He has a big ego and he put it in check to help the Lakers. I don't think he realizes that the Lakers really need his help. I think he's sitting back so that he doesn't rock the boat... because an ego like his would take the game over and piss everyone off.

Am I saying he's the same player he's always been? No. But I have faith that he has the ability to be productive... at least moreso than he is now. This is pathetic. This isn't being washed up. He produced last year, the dropoff is indicative of far bigger problems than age.
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Yea he really doesn't fit at all. Gary Payton is obviously a better player then Derek Fisher overall, but for the Lakers style of play, DFish is a WAY better fit.

Payton's defense has been lacking big time though...He has been getting shitted on A LOT in these playoffs
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