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Had to feel sorry for the lad though, i mean after he scored and was told the news he just lay down motionless on the floor.
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Boo hoo for Italy. Try being Scottish.
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Hey Rob, there was a piece in todays paper about how Gordon Strachan is unintelligible. Seriously. Told you.
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What paper? The Sport?
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England finishing second actually means we avoid Czech Republic until the final, if we get there, i think.
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Daily Mail.
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Did Italy surrender a penalty kick when they lost to Korea in the World Cup too? And what's the conspiracy about? Explain?
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"Ee yist tu pli fitba" saidGordon in a Daily Mail exclusive.
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Conspiracy was basically that it (and i don't get this) was figured that if Sweden and Denmark drew 2-2 then both of them would go through. Some Italian players questioned whether those two might play out the 2-2 draw and an Italian TV channel had extra cameras put in the ground to check. Seeing as that game did end 2-2 and seeing the pictures of what looked like both sets of players holding hands and saluting the crowd, i think the Italians may look into this quite vigorously. There was also an occasion years ago (when last games in the group didn't kick off at the same time) that Germany played Austria in the later game, knowing that a 1-0 Germany win would see both through. Anyway Germany scored and the last 20 minutes or something were played with little attacking and challenging. That game led to Fifa changing the rules so that the last games in group stages would be played simultaneously. |
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Oh yeah WWEngland, let me explain this 2-2 draw thing.
When two teams are level on points, the first thing used to seperate them in this tournament is the result between the two teams, yes? With three teams level on points however, they use the results all three teams had with each other. Essentially you make a little mini table as follows... Denmark 0-0 Italy Italy 1-1 Sweden Sweden 2-2 Denmark Sweden [2 0 2 0 3 3 2] Denmark [2 0 2 0 2 2 2] Italy [2 0 2 0 1 1 2] That's played, won, drawn, lost, for, against and points there (the reply box won't let me make a little table). The three teams are all level on points and goal difference, so you go next to goals scored, on which Italy are bottom. Just be grateful than the Danes and the Swedes didn't draw 1-1 and the Italians didn't win 2-0, else Italy and Denmark would have been dead level, and THAT would have gotten confusing. |
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Oh shoot. That's crazy stuff.
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![]() Okay maybe they don't but the Daily Mail's rep has been nothing but negative for the past 2 years (not just sport coverage). |
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Both sets of players weren't holding hands though. It was the Danish players with the Sweden shirts they just swapped.
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Ok, i did only have the pictures from ITV1 and commentary saying stuff like "and both sets of players celebrating together" but seeing as they would have only seen those pics too,i believe you.
Don't think there's any conspiracy though, the two countries are rivals. Relating to Italy going home, it will be interesting to see Totti being sodomised as much as Beckham was here after 98. |
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NORDIC VICTORY
2 - 2 = CIAO ITALIA ![]() |
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That's just it though, everyone was saying it was impossible for them to go through if the other game finished 2-2. Surely if Italy had won by 4 or 5 goals then they would be through anyway? Seeing as its results against (nothing between) and then goal difference and then goals scored, something which had Italy won by a few goals, they would have been through because of.
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My bad, forgot about Bulgaria
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Here's the final group C table.
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It's only the goal difference between the 3 sides. You look at it as if you were ignoring the results against Bulgaria.
Denmark would have scored 2 conceeded 2 Sweden would have scored 3 conceeded 3 Italy would have scored 1 conceeded 1 That's why no matter what Italy couldn't get through if it finished 2-2 or any higher of a draw. |
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Yes
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So how would they have decided had Italy beat Bulgaria 2-0 and Denmark and Sweden drew 1-1?
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Maybe combined hair length of squad. I dunno.
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They would have had to have done something crazy.
BRB gonna try find out. |
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In the past, the backup plan for such scenarios (which have occassionally threatened to, but rarely do) is to draw lots. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but that's what it's called anyway.
The one time I can remember this happening was in the 1990 world cup when Ireland and Holland had the same results (both drew their opener 1-1, their next game 0-0 and then finished by drawing 1-1 with each other). Both were through, but one team had to finish second and face Romania and one had to finish third and face West Germany. As it turned out, Ireland won the drawing of lots and reached the quarters whereas Holland lost and went out in the next round. |
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Oh no, a revelation just struck me. Let's say England beat Portugal (feasible) and let's say the Germans beat the Czechs tomorrow (feasible) then beat the Swedes in the quarter finals (also feasible). You know what that means...
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No, I'm completely stupid.
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Football violence?
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Hopefully tonight will put to an end the stupid way UEFA does things in qualifying groups. Goal difference is a simple, effective formula for deciding who goes through. How can it make sense to use a system where they effectively deem some games more important than others at the end?
Italy had the worst goal difference though so all is not so bad. It should wake them up to the fact that defending one-goal leads is a shitty tactic. It should...but it won't. |
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well it effectively meant that Italy could have won 100-0 and not gone through, so it is screwy.
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I think there's a half truth in that - when two teams are level on points then deciding their position on the result between the two, regardless of goal difference, seems fair enough. This stuff with three teams being tied and it not making a difference if Italy had won 1,000,000-0 is just overcomplicating matters. Yes, it didn't make a difference because Italy would have lost on goal difference anyway, but it's confused a lot of people unnecessarily.
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