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Old 06-16-2006, 02:39 PM   #721
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Just about every premiere pass rusher in the league gets nothing done when they run inbetween the tackles. Thats why you pay guys like Corey Simon to come in. Thats why you have pro bowl players like Cato June and Bob Sanders to come in and try to make a play. Gary Brackett is a great run stopping linebacker.

I'm not sure if you watched any Colts games last year. Teams where creating new formations just to double and triple team Dwight Freeney. Mathis went out there half the time Freeney did and he recorded 21 sacks in the last two seasons. What will teams do when he's in there full time?
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Freeney's biggest weakness is having a play run right at him, so if they did that then Mathis could be eliminated from the run plays as well due to his size (but majority of the time weak side DEs have no effect on run plays to the otherside so I really don't know how big of an effect it would have) I think the Colts D will be good though, June really stepped up last season and I expect him to have another solid season.

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Freeney's biggest weakness is having a play run right at him, so if they did that then Mathis could be eliminated from the run plays as well due to his size (but majority of the time weak side DEs have no effect on run plays to the otherside so I really don't know how big of an effect it would have) I think the Colts D will be good though, June really stepped up last season and I expect him to have another solid season.

Saying the Colts have the best player personal director in the NFL is kind of funny though, I think everyone knows where the best player personal director resides

Where?
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I may be wrong on this. But i'm pretty sure i'm not...

Out of 22 starting positions, 11 on each side of the ball, the Colts have all but 1 player who wasnt drafted by the Colts. Which is Corey Simon. Again i havent looked anything up, but i'm pretty sure everyone else was drafted by the organization. I could be wrong though. None the less majority of the players were drafted and the best players where key decision type picks. No one had Freeney in the top 20 picks. I think he was a late 1st rounder. Bob Sanders was a 1st rounder. Reggie Wayne was picked when everyone thought for sure they had to go defense. Now he's a future probowler. Everyone know about Manning over Leaf, Edge over Sticky Ricky. Cato June was a 5th round pick i think.

Basically what i'm trying to say is.. Polian is real good. We havent even talked about Buffalo days.
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To be fair, the entire offense has Manning so it's at least +5 overall on the Madden scale.

Like you said, Freeney has triple-teams against him in a Tampa-2 defense, which is not very complex, but when you have possibly 7 men sitting back in zones, and Freeney and Mathis getting a bajillion sacks per season, they defense is bound to chuck it up every now and then -- especially considering the fact that Manning has given the Colts a 1-2TD lead at this point, forcing the opposition to throw.

So you put Manning under center, and perennial top-3 WR Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne becomes Peerless Price. When Marcus Pollard, Dallas Clark, and Brandon Stokley all have pro bowl seasons just being on the same team, that says a lot.

Like Randy Moss drawing both safeties deep making Michael Bennett look like a pro bowler, or Adewale Ogunleye getting like 18 sacks opposite from Jason Taylor... it's easy to disprove your claim that your personnel man isn't the best.

Same with saying that a team with high player turnover continues to have success because of the system being so brilliant... who is to say they're the best, instead of just the luckiest because of their respective coaches?
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thats the most bullshit argument i've ever heard.I guess Jerry Rice wasnt all that good either. Rice was nothing without Montana or Young ( according to your logic ). Get out of here with that bullshit. We could attach that logic to any team in the league and come up with the same rediculous result you did. Harrison is a top 3 reciever with any QB in the league. If you watched the guy play and take a second to appreciate the things he does, you'd understand. Stokely was getting decent numbers with fucking Trent Dilfer. Sure his numbers went up with Manning. That was to be expected.

Your logic is so damn offensive. I cant believe you even blabbered that bull shit.

I guess Andre Reed, Bruce Smith and Thruman Thomas werent that good either cause of Jim Kelly.

If you seriously think that the Colts players are good because of Manning. You sir are a moron.
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Reggie Wayne is 10x better then Peerless Price was when he was in Buffalo. I'll give you the whole " Systems " argument. But the right players have to be in the right systems to flourish and thats why Polian is a genius. He's manage to draft all the right players. You cant argue that. He's done it in three places now. Buffalo, Carolina, Indianapolis. The results dont lie. He builds great franchises wherever he's gone.
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Manning has been a Pro Bowler for a while also and the Colts defense hasnt always been good. That blows your 1-2 td lead logic out of the water.
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Manning has been a Pro Bowler for a while also and the Colts defense hasnt always been good. That blows your 1-2 td lead logic out of the water.
Nah... there was a point a few years ago "BF," or "before freeney," when the defense was just shit. I mean who did you have, Jim Nelson? Idrees Basheer? I can't even remember who all was runnin shit on the Colts before freeney, but basically... every year they've gotten better. I think what it is, is that there is a very strict structure in place, which is not just Polian, but Dungy as well. They know what they want. It's a speed team. A turf team. And it's speed that has done the Colts well.

Some teams can't figure this out, like the Falcons who will draft a TJ Duckett or pick up Edge Hartwell, who was an ILB in a 3-4 before signing on as a LB in a 4-3. Don't forget the Steelers. They've had such a massive rotation on defense... losing players like Rod Woodson, Chad Brown, etc who went on to have numerous pro bowl seasons... but the Steelers never missed them. Which adds to my argument: If you have continuity, a coach and a personnel man who are in sync, it's really easy to build the team you want.

But I agree, the three teams are the mold, basically, for how a team should be run. The Eagles had their window and lost it, and shot themselves in the foot by gambling on Owens. That's it for the NFC, IMO.
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Steeler fans threatening a 62 year old lady for hitting Big Ben might be the second most fantastic thing i've heard this year, aside from hearing about Santonio Holmes second arrest for hitting his baby momma.

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Yea cause all of us Steeler fans are doing that, a few assholes, every team has them.
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:55 AM   #747
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Old 06-22-2006, 01:17 AM   #748
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It's pennsylvania... more than a few fans in pennsylvania do that shit.

But then it's the idiot fans who won the superbowl, traveling across country to get tickets to their games... wish MN had more fans like that.
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:17 PM   #749
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Yea cause all of us Steeler fans are doing that, a few assholes, every team has them.

I'll give that to you. You're right, but this kind of attention comes with being a Superbowl Champion. Ofcourse i never heard of such thing from a New England, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, or Denver fan , but still. You're probably right. But its fucking hillarious.
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:19 PM   #753
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I guess he owns like juice stores or something? Like they make "fruit smoothies" I saw it on SportsLine thought it was pretty funny.

Probably a smart move though, actaully investing in something that makes money, instead like a lot of the shithead athletes that buy like 15 escalades
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Old 06-25-2006, 09:52 PM   #754
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Yeah, give him some income after football.
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:26 AM   #755
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:10 AM   #756
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I'm really sick of the fact that the Giants have been getting zero respect this offseason despite their signings. I've yet to see a single "professional NFL analyst" pick them to make the playoffs

Their only major loss was Kendrick Clancy...and Jonas Seawright can plug up the hole just as well. Their secondary is ridiculous now and their linebacking is awesome. Their offense is the same as last year. But all I ever hear is "T.O. is bringing the NFC EAST TO DALLAS!!!" and "THE REDSKINS' MOVES MAKE THEM THE FAVORITES"

Fuck you. Just because the entire team didn't show up in a playoff game doesn't mean it's gonna carry into the season. If you win the division one year and don't lose a lot of key players, you are automatically the favorites for next year until other teams prove otherwise.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:41 AM   #757
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In fact, despite the great deal of talent they are bringing in, the Giants already have 50 of their 53 man roster determined already...which is pretty insane as is.
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Saints re-signed FB Mike Karney to a 4 year extention..

Who Dat??
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In fact, despite the great deal of talent they are bringing in, the Giants already have 50 of their 53 man roster determined already...which is pretty insane as is.
Yeah, I'll just be laughing when we win the division again. TO is not superman, he is only human.
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