MLB 2007 Season Thread - Page 19

**VonErichLives** · 05-07-2007, 01:54 PM

yeah, Clemens gets a pro-rated 28mil, the Red Sox offered like 18 and were under the impression they had a week to make a 2nd offer.

I would have liked to see him in a Sox uni, simply to see him "come home", but the Sox really don't have a SP need right now.

He will help the Yanks, but I wouldn't bet on a huge turn around.

Clemens is only good for 5 maybe 6 IP and the Yanks Pen has as many issues as the starting rotation, plus he's staring like a month earlier then he did last year.

I forget the pitchers name, but someone who retired at 45, said his arm was fine and his head was fine but his legs couldn't do that they did and thats where the power comes from.. we'll see if that effects Clemens.

**BCWWF** · 05-07-2007, 01:59 PM

Clemen's was going to the Yankees from the start though. His ties to the Red Sox are sooo old, and they didn't need him (as much, cause I mean come on, any team could use him).

But he was a Red Sock so long ago, even though he was arguably at his best there, his ties are all to the city of Houston and the New York Yankees. He had most of his team success in New York and he still is close with Pettite, Torre, Jeter etc. For him to go full circle and return to the Red Sox would kind of stab a lot of friends and fans in the back. I mean, after dominating with the Yankees for so many years, there can't be many Boston Clemen's fans left are there? But I'm sure there are tonns in New York.

**VonErichLives** · 05-07-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Clemen's was going to the Yankees from the start though. His ties to the Red Sox are sooo old, and they didn't need him (as much, cause I mean come on, any team could use him).

But he was a Red Sock so long ago, even though he was arguably at his best there, his ties are all to the city of Houston and the New York Yankees. He had most of his team success in New York and he still is close with Pettite, Torre, Jeter etc. For him to go full circle and return to the Red Sox would kind of stab a lot of friends and fans in the back. I mean, after dominating with the Yankees for so many years, there can't be many Boston Clemen's fans left are there? But I'm sure there are tonns in New York.

Actually, there are still a lot of Clemens fans here.

Word is his agents moved up the start date even though he's not ready yet because it's the only way they'd get the 28mil, that Houston had said they wouldn't give him the "flex schedule" he had.

I hope he makes the Yankees better and the word is he can make his debut the begining of June vs. the Red Sox... I mean, you couldn't make better TV if you wrote it!

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-07-2007, 04:34 PM

I think Clemens will hold up fine because he has always been on a tough workout regimen for his legs but I don't see the rest of the Yankees staff/bullpen holding up throughout the season.

**OssMan** · 05-07-2007, 04:49 PM

Sick of Roger Clemens, who does he think he is. Every year he is just like nah I will play for whoever I want and I will hog all the money of that team and I won't start until the middle of the season

**FakeLaser** · 05-07-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AssMan

Sick of Roger Clemens, who does he think he is. Every year he is just like nah I will play for whoever I want and I will hog all the money of that team and I won't start until the middle of the season

I am with you on that but I will gladly welcome him back.

**ClockShot** · 05-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Hmmmm. Interesting.

Watching Sportscenter just now and on the ticker it said that Joe Torre is suspended for tonight's game. Scott Proctor suspended 4. Reason being for the bench clearing near fight yesterday. Don't see any Mariners suspended.

Here's the story. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863179

Also, Kei Igawa has been sent to the minors.

**Dragon** · 05-07-2007, 07:32 PM

It was for the game yesterday.

Josh Phelps ran over their catcher when he wasn't blocking the plate and didn't have the ball. Next time up to bat for Phelps he gets hit and rightfully so. Then when Proctor came in he threw behind one of the Mariners and was ejected.

**SammyG** · 05-07-2007, 09:59 PM

Brad Penny has 14 Strikeouts in 7 innings right now.

**Dragon** · 05-07-2007, 11:08 PM

Wow, today's game started out great until that 8th inning.

Matt DeSalvo pitches 7 innings of 1 run ball. Then in the 8th the ump makes one of the worst calls I've ever seen at 2nd base, the runner was out by a good two feet. That run then scores to tie up the game. 9th inning Mo gives up a home-run. I know bad calls are a part of baseball but this call wasn't even close at all. Awful.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-08-2007, 12:27 AM

MARIANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

**Dragon** · 05-08-2007, 12:37 AM

lol, awful call

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-08-2007, 12:43 AM

I've seen a call like that in the same position during a Sox game a few years ago except the guy never tagged Nomar and was about 2 feet away. I assume the ump was blocked by the players back and couldn't see the tag at all, in the Red Sox just assumed he made the tag and called him out...and in this case didn't want to assume anything?

Still pretty awesome Riveria lost another game though

**Dragon** · 05-08-2007, 12:52 AM

I dunno, it showed an angle from the umps view and it was pretty obvious. Guessing the guy just wasn't paying that much attention.

Also, starting to kind of see where Philly fans were coming from when they talked about Bobby Abreu before. All I heard was that he was kind of lazy in the outfield and afraid to swing the bat at times. Didn't really see it last year but its happened this year. He doesn't go out of his way to make catches in the outfield at all and is scared of running into the wall most of the time. He also prefers to bunt in most situations instead of swinging the bat lol.

I know he is in a pretty big slump right now and I'm sure he'll be fine this season but I do get where Phillies fans were coming from before.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-08-2007, 01:26 AM

Yeah I just saw the replay myself, pretty bad call but at normal speed it wasn't AS obvious as it was when it slowed down, but still should have made that one.

**VonErichLives** · 05-08-2007, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

I've seen a call like that in the same position during a Sox game a few years ago except the guy never tagged Nomar and was about 2 feet away. I assume the ump was blocked by the players back and couldn't see the tag at all, in the Red Sox just assumed he made the tag and called him out...and in this case didn't want to assume anything?

Still pretty awesome Riveria lost another game though

I always think of the playoffs with the yanks when there were 2 phantom calls and one of them he was like 3 feet from the runner... Jimmy Williams argued, fans threw stuff and delayed the game. Steinbrenner was in the stands and espn got to him and he blamed the fans reaction on Williams which lead the the quote...

"When Georgie-porgie speaks, I don't listen" - Jimmy williams.

**Evil Vito** · 05-08-2007, 07:52 AM

Ouch. Glad I had to go to bed before the 5th inning last night. Piss poor defense.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-08-2007, 07:58 PM

Wow had no clue the Roger Centre's roof can open

**Boondock Saint** · 05-08-2007, 08:45 PM

Back to back homers baby WOOOOOOOOO. Lowell's my boy.

**MVP** · 05-08-2007, 08:52 PM

Does Beckett get run support or what

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 05-08-2007, 09:47 PM

so Texas Rangers catcher Gerald Laird is pretty much the ugliest baseball player on earth

evidence:

**YOUR Hero** · 05-08-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Wow had no clue the Roger Centre's roof can open

I believe it was the very first of it's kind. 'SkyDome'

**VonErichLives** · 05-08-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

I think Clemens will hold up fine because he has always been on a tough workout regimen for his legs but I don't see the rest of the Yankees staff/bullpen holding up throughout the season.

I think last year he avg'd only making it to the 5th inning, with the yanks bullpen that wont help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AssMan

Sick of Roger Clemens, who does he think he is. Every year he is just like nah I will play for whoever I want and I will hog all the money of that team and I won't start until the middle of the season

Can't fault him if the teams let him do it, there's already been some talk Cur Schilling may look to do a "short season" whereever he goes next year.

Also, for "hog all the money" trust me, the teams who were bidding on him won't be hurting from spending the money and the whole part-time schedule not just do the teams signing him allow it, the players go along with it.

I can't fault Roger for this one... i mean, if you could be one of the top 5 highest paid at your job and only work part of the year, and even then only part-time, why wouldn't you?

**BCWWF** · 05-09-2007, 03:52 AM

Yeah I remember growing up I thought SkyDone was awesome because I heard all these stories about the roof opening up, which was super unique at the time.

**BCWWF** · 05-09-2007, 03:53 AM

Also, VEL, I would think the Astros could find a better use for the money.

**VonErichLives** · 05-09-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Also, VEL, I would think the Astros could find a better use for the money.

I don't think Houston would have gone 28, probably 18-20 which prorated is around what they've done before.

Also, is it Clemens fault how much and what they want to spend money on? Who's ever told a job "no, that's ok, you don't need to give me more money".

Plus, in Houston it's not just trying to win like Boston or New York, Houston he helped put buts in the seats.

**BCWWF** · 05-09-2007, 04:48 PM

I'm just saying that in Houston is doesn't make sense to put down that much money for one player. In New York and Boston it is nothing special, but in Houston, if they have 20+ million to spare they should be buying two or three good players for a whole season instead of one for half a season.

**FakeLaser** · 05-09-2007, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme

so Texas Rangers catcher Gerald Laird is pretty much the ugliest baseball player on earth

evidence:

He is pretty ugly but I still think Miguel Cairo is the ugliest guy ever.

**MVP** · 05-09-2007, 10:17 PM

Jorge Cantu anyone?

**SammyG** · 05-09-2007, 11:15 PM

Tomko pitched a gem today. Dodgers 20-14.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-10-2007, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

I believe it was the very first of it's kind. 'SkyDome'

lol no shit that makes sense

I am gonna assume I knew this previously and just simply forgot or something

Pretty dumb they changed the name from SkyDome to the Rogers Centre, I mean I can understand why they did it but the name "SkyDome" was pretty bad ass. And another thing, they really gotta change the layout of the turf they use. You can clearly see the square patterns and it looks real shitty, I know why they use that style (a lot more mobile) but it looks horrible.

**YOUR Hero** · 05-10-2007, 12:58 AM

Marketing bullshit, you know. As for the turf, I wish they could get some time of real grass in there, but the Rogers Center is used by tons of groups so I guess real grass wouldn't work. This turf they've got is the new improved stuff, but yeah you are right, you can see it for what it really is.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-10-2007, 01:06 AM

I don't mind the FieldTurf so much, its just the fact it looks like there is 1000 rectangles of turf all over the field...I've never really noticed that in other parks (I know its definitely not like that in Minnesota, where the Red Sox just played the other night)

**YOUR Hero** · 05-10-2007, 01:23 AM

yeah I hear you.

**Dragon** · 05-10-2007, 01:25 AM

Finally back to .500

Nothing like facing Texas to get us going again.

**OssMan** · 05-10-2007, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragon

Finally back to .500

Nothing like facing Texas to get us going again.

lol

**OssMan** · 05-10-2007, 07:57 PM

Rangers hit Wang hard

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-10-2007, 08:10 PM

wow 14-2

**MVP** · 05-10-2007, 09:03 PM

Halladay is getting hit hard tonight too. Lowell and Youkilis are on a tear.

**Boondock Saint** · 05-10-2007, 09:06 PM

Hallady sucking ass. LOwell

05-07-2007, 07:29 PM	#727
ClockShot TPWW Fire Pro Champ Posts: 34,001	Hmmmm. Interesting. Watching Sportscenter just now and on the ticker it said that Joe Torre is suspended for tonight's game. Scott Proctor suspended 4. Reason being for the bench clearing near fight yesterday. Don't see any Mariners suspended. Here's the story. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863179 Also, Kei Igawa has been sent to the minors. Last edited by ClockShot; 05-07-2007 at 07:34 PM.

05-07-2007, 01:54 PM	#721
VonErichLives DU's illegitimate brother Posts: 3,685	yeah, Clemens gets a pro-rated 28mil, the Red Sox offered like 18 and were under the impression they had a week to make a 2nd offer. I would have liked to see him in a Sox uni, simply to see him "come home", but the Sox really don't have a SP need right now. He will help the Yanks, but I wouldn't bet on a huge turn around. Clemens is only good for 5 maybe 6 IP and the Yanks Pen has as many issues as the starting rotation, plus he's staring like a month earlier then he did last year. I forget the pitchers name, but someone who retired at 45, said his arm was fine and his head was fine but his legs couldn't do that they did and thats where the power comes from.. we'll see if that effects Clemens.

05-07-2007, 01:59 PM	#722
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Clemen's was going to the Yankees from the start though. His ties to the Red Sox are sooo old, and they didn't need him (as much, cause I mean come on, any team could use him). But he was a Red Sock so long ago, even though he was arguably at his best there, his ties are all to the city of Houston and the New York Yankees. He had most of his team success in New York and he still is close with Pettite, Torre, Jeter etc. For him to go full circle and return to the Red Sox would kind of stab a lot of friends and fans in the back. I mean, after dominating with the Yankees for so many years, there can't be many Boston Clemen's fans left are there? But I'm sure there are tonns in New York.

05-07-2007, 04:34 PM	#724
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I think Clemens will hold up fine because he has always been on a tough workout regimen for his legs but I don't see the rest of the Yankees staff/bullpen holding up throughout the season.

05-07-2007, 04:49 PM	#725
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,536	Sick of Roger Clemens, who does he think he is. Every year he is just like nah I will play for whoever I want and I will hog all the money of that team and I won't start until the middle of the season

05-07-2007, 07:32 PM	#728
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	It was for the game yesterday. Josh Phelps ran over their catcher when he wasn't blocking the plate and didn't have the ball. Next time up to bat for Phelps he gets hit and rightfully so. Then when Proctor came in he threw behind one of the Mariners and was ejected.

05-07-2007, 09:59 PM	#729
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Brad Penny has 14 Strikeouts in 7 innings right now.

05-07-2007, 11:08 PM	#730
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Wow, today's game started out great until that 8th inning. Matt DeSalvo pitches 7 innings of 1 run ball. Then in the 8th the ump makes one of the worst calls I've ever seen at 2nd base, the runner was out by a good two feet. That run then scores to tie up the game. 9th inning Mo gives up a home-run. I know bad calls are a part of baseball but this call wasn't even close at all. Awful.

05-08-2007, 12:27 AM	#731
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	MARIANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

05-08-2007, 12:37 AM	#732
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	lol, awful call

05-08-2007, 12:43 AM	#733
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I've seen a call like that in the same position during a Sox game a few years ago except the guy never tagged Nomar and was about 2 feet away. I assume the ump was blocked by the players back and couldn't see the tag at all, in the Red Sox just assumed he made the tag and called him out...and in this case didn't want to assume anything? Still pretty awesome Riveria lost another game though

05-08-2007, 12:52 AM	#734
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	I dunno, it showed an angle from the umps view and it was pretty obvious. Guessing the guy just wasn't paying that much attention. Also, starting to kind of see where Philly fans were coming from when they talked about Bobby Abreu before. All I heard was that he was kind of lazy in the outfield and afraid to swing the bat at times. Didn't really see it last year but its happened this year. He doesn't go out of his way to make catches in the outfield at all and is scared of running into the wall most of the time. He also prefers to bunt in most situations instead of swinging the bat lol. I know he is in a pretty big slump right now and I'm sure he'll be fine this season but I do get where Phillies fans were coming from before.

05-08-2007, 01:26 AM	#735
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yeah I just saw the replay myself, pretty bad call but at normal speed it wasn't AS obvious as it was when it slowed down, but still should have made that one.

05-08-2007, 07:52 AM	#737
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Ouch. Glad I had to go to bed before the 5th inning last night. Piss poor defense.

05-08-2007, 07:58 PM	#738
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Wow had no clue the Roger Centre's roof can open

05-08-2007, 08:45 PM	#739
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	Back to back homers baby WOOOOOOOOO. Lowell's my boy.

05-08-2007, 08:52 PM	#740
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	Does Beckett get run support or what

05-08-2007, 09:47 PM	#741
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,765	so Texas Rangers catcher Gerald Laird is pretty much the ugliest baseball player on earth evidence:

05-09-2007, 03:52 AM	#744
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Yeah I remember growing up I thought SkyDone was awesome because I heard all these stories about the roof opening up, which was super unique at the time.

05-09-2007, 03:53 AM	#745
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Also, VEL, I would think the Astros could find a better use for the money.

05-09-2007, 04:48 PM	#747
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I'm just saying that in Houston is doesn't make sense to put down that much money for one player. In New York and Boston it is nothing special, but in Houston, if they have 20+ million to spare they should be buying two or three good players for a whole season instead of one for half a season.

05-09-2007, 10:17 PM	#749
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	Jorge Cantu anyone?

05-09-2007, 11:15 PM	#750
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Tomko pitched a gem today. Dodgers 20-14.

05-10-2007, 12:58 AM	#752
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Marketing bullshit, you know. As for the turf, I wish they could get some time of real grass in there, but the Rogers Center is used by tons of groups so I guess real grass wouldn't work. This turf they've got is the new improved stuff, but yeah you are right, you can see it for what it really is.

05-10-2007, 01:06 AM	#753
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I don't mind the FieldTurf so much, its just the fact it looks like there is 1000 rectangles of turf all over the field...I've never really noticed that in other parks (I know its definitely not like that in Minnesota, where the Red Sox just played the other night)

05-10-2007, 01:23 AM	#754
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	yeah I hear you.

05-10-2007, 01:25 AM	#755
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Finally back to .500 Nothing like facing Texas to get us going again.

05-10-2007, 07:57 PM	#757
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,536	Rangers hit Wang hard

05-10-2007, 08:10 PM	#758
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	wow 14-2

05-10-2007, 09:03 PM	#759
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	Halladay is getting hit hard tonight too. Lowell and Youkilis are on a tear.

05-10-2007, 09:06 PM	#760
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	Hallady sucking ass. LOwell