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Old 02-25-2010, 01:14 PM   #41
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"Hi, I'm TrentDRUGFREE. I'm gonna use a thread about CM Punk as a disguise to let the posters of TPWW.net that I live what I consider to be a straight edge lifestyle. You may have already guessed because I have 'DRUGFREE' in capital letters in my username but it doesn't mention alcohol and TrentDRUGFREEANDDRINKFREE didn't quite have the same ring to it."
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:13 PM   #42
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:44 PM   #43
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:33 PM   #44
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"edgers" sounds so fucking stupid. How about you just call yourself "someone who chooses not to drink, smoke, or do drugs. I also have a tendency to get stupid tattoos, piercings, and a cock in my ass."
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:14 PM   #45
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I've never done any drugs or drank any alcohol in my life. I go so far as not even taking advil or Tylenol or cough medicine. Its something I chose to do a long time ago and considering I'm 27 now and still have never done it I don't forsee ever drinking or doing drugs.

I've met people who were straight-edge.... And I use the word "were" strategically. Most people that are straight-edge in the sense that they draw x's on their hands and go to parties with only straight edge people, those types of people wind up doing drugs or drinking later on in their life.

The reason why?

Because "straight-edge" is just a way of people being non-conformist. Straight edge kids are just as bad as emo kids or goths. They all do shit to be non-conformist by judging and ridiculing people who are "conformist" and then getting offended when the same people that they ridicule don't accept them. It's really fucking irriatating.

Though I never have done any drugs before I don't think of it as "poison" or that the people that drink are stupid. I made my choice, and they made theirs. I have friends that are hard drinkers or hardcore drug users and I make my choice whether their drug use impedes my ability to have a good time around them. Some times it does. Some times it doesn't.

By in large drug users and drinkers are far more intresting that preachy straight-edge douches... and that is what CM Punk so expertly exploits to get so much heat.

When I first heard about CM Punk in 2005 or so, I became a fan and showed DVD's of him to friends of mine and when he said "I'm drug free, I'm alcohol free, and I'm better than you" my friends were like "Oh I see why you like him."

But I'm not that guy, but so many straight-edge guys are and Punk is a great mind to tap into that hatred.
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:37 PM   #46
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It's only a fad in wrestling though. I'd be more upset if it were a fad on MTV or Disney Channel.
Straight Edge is a huge fad in the punk and hardcore scene considering that's where it originated. However it's a huge lifestyle for some people. Some people also use that as their own identity. Some people also become straight edge because a few cool people they know were straight edge and they want to fit in and be cool too. Some people just don't do drugs, smoke, or drink alcohol and consider themselves straight edge by default.

There are pros and cons of the straight edge scene in punk music. Straight edge is completely foreign to people who aren't pretty hip with the punk and indie music scene. That's a big reason why CM Punk has become so over with it. CM Punk being awesome is the main reason he got over and drew heat with it. Plus he has a Bouncing Souls tattoo and the Bouncing Souls are an awesome band. I forget where it is. I think somewhere on his right arm.

Blah blah blah. I can go on about this topic for a long time, but I'll stop at this.

If only Lance Storm knew how well this could get over.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:14 PM   #47
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I do not see it as a bad thing that kids will look at CM Punk's drug/alcohol free lifestyle and want to emulate it (Ignoring the fact that many will drop it as soon as CM Punk is a distant memory.)

My problem is with the necessary face storylines going up against the heel CM Punk. You pretty much have to write his opponent as a drinker/smoker/whateverer and tell the fans "He's the good guy. Love him!" when he eventually wins, proving that being drug free will get your ass kicked by someone who is doped up.

It's a great heel gimmick, and it would have worked to have SCSA vs CMP ten years ago during the attitude era (where they were less concerned with holding back more suggestive material), but in this age where the target demographic is younger than ever, I dont think WWE's message should be "Being drug free is bad, see? Drug-free guy just got his ass kicked."
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:15 PM   #48
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oh no cm punk made some wrestling fans learn about my subculture and now i feel like i'm being exploited whatever shall i do

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:39 PM   #51
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Seriously, people who bitch about straight edge like this are just as bad as people following it as a fad. Straight edge is something that should be personal and the reason others follow it shouldn't matter.
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Seriously, people who bitch about straight edge like this are just as bad as people following it as a fad. Straight edge is something that should be personal and the reason others follow it shouldn't matter.
Hit the nail on the head. I've been Straight Edge for over 10 years, and when I found out about CM Punk, and how he claimed it, I was just like "Cool." It wouldn't affect me if he was just using the lifestyle for gimmick purposes because just like thecc said, it's a personal choice, and what other people choose to do with their lives is none of anybody elses business but their own.

So Trent, just listen to some Strife and be happy, even though they sold out too. Haha.
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:26 PM   #55
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I do not see it as a bad thing that kids will look at CM Punk's drug/alcohol free lifestyle and want to emulate it (Ignoring the fact that many will drop it as soon as CM Punk is a distant memory.)

My problem is with the necessary face storylines going up against the heel CM Punk. You pretty much have to write his opponent as a drinker/smoker/whateverer and tell the fans "He's the good guy. Love him!" when he eventually wins, proving that being drug free will get your ass kicked by someone who is doped up.

It's a great heel gimmick, and it would have worked to have SCSA vs CMP ten years ago during the attitude era (where they were less concerned with holding back more suggestive material), but in this age where the target demographic is younger than ever, I dont think WWE's message should be "Being drug free is bad, see? Drug-free guy just got his ass kicked."
I don't think it's that cut and dry. At the Smackdown taping, Triple H said something to the effect of he doesn't smoke or do drugs either, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a preachy bitch about it. Punk isn't a heel just because he's a straight edge. He has already been a face and a straight edge. He became a heel when he started looking down on others and proclaiming that he is better than everyone else. Really, it's classic heel stuff with some modern variables to make it feel fresh.
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:15 AM   #57
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God damnit there is nothing more annoying than these fucking straight edge kids who ACTUALLY think they are better than everyone else and get pissed at people for A) "saying" they're straight edge when they haven't "proven it," B) "popularizing" straight edge (when it's so hardcore that it doesn't NEED popularizing, according to these fucks), or C) aren't fucking straight edge.

There were a bunch of these douche bags at my old high school and they would get into fights and shit all the time over the above mentioned reasons. Fucking wastes of life. They need to do drugs more than anyone else does for fuck's sake.

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I don't think it's that cut and dry. At the Smackdown taping, Triple H said something to the effect of he doesn't smoke or do drugs either, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a preachy bitch about it.
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I don't think it's that cut and dry. At the Smackdown taping, Triple H said something to the effect of he doesn't smoke or do drugs either, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a preachy bitch about it. Punk isn't a heel just because he's a straight edge. He has already been a face and a straight edge. He became a heel when he started looking down on others and proclaiming that he is better than everyone else. Really, it's classic heel stuff with some modern variables to make it feel fresh.

Fair point. I dont know - Triple H might be the only one in the company who can go against CM Punk on that line alone because of his established credibility. I'm not entirely certain it would work for anyone not as tenured as he.

But it's not just CM Punk's opponent that bothers me. Listen to the crowds cheering as he goes through the list of vices we all suck for liking. They're cheering louder and louder every time. That sort of thing influences kids. I dont dislike the gimmick or the storyline - I just think it's a risky one in the era of the young audience.
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But it's not just CM Punk's opponent that bothers me. Listen to the crowds cheering as he goes through the list of vices we all suck for liking. They're cheering louder and louder every time. That sort of thing influences kids. I dont dislike the gimmick or the storyline - I just think it's a risky one in the era of the young audience.
the solution to this is called "parenting." oddly enough, it's a subject that punk touched on in a promo during his feud with hardy.
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the solution to this is called "parenting." oddly enough, it's a subject that punk touched on in a promo during his feud with hardy.
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the solution to this is called "parenting." oddly enough, it's a subject that punk touched on in a promo during his feud with hardy.
There's only so much the uncool parent telling their kids not to go out and do something can do.

Yes, people need to be involved more with their kids, but the problem can hardly be addressed with such a narrow solution.
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i can't even dignify that with a serious or sarcastic response.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:31 PM   #70
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This would be perfect timing for Roxer if he posted in the wrestling forum.
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Can you be straight edge if you don't like bands like Minor Threat or is that part of the package? Would you be looked down upon if you didn't like those bands?
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My grandparents have probably been straight edge for like fifty years.
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There's only so much the uncool parent telling their kids not to go out and do something can do.

Yes, people need to be involved more with their kids, but the problem can hardly be addressed with such a narrow solution.
Millions of people who don't do drugs, before the straight edge culture was even remotely popular.

That was because of parenting.
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In this day and age, parents expect everyone else to parent their kids. It's really terrible and shows in a lot of these ridiculous lawsuits that float around.
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Millions of people who don't do drugs, before the straight edge culture was even remotely popular.

That was because of parenting.
Not always.

Punk himself has said that his reason for abstaining was the fear that he would turn out like his father. I don't think it had anything to do with parenting.

And to provide some anecdocal evidence (take it or leave it), my mother raised two children the same way. They were largely exposed to the same things. One abstained from such behaviors. The other didn't.

There's more than one factor involved, and it's idiotic to suggest that having Mom around to say Dont Do That is going to be why someone chooses not to do that.

You can tell me the WWE has no business monitoring their content for the sake of children watching. I disagree (on the basis of them directing their content towards those younger audiences), but that's one thing. You're telling me, in the quoted paragraph, that parenting is the ultimate counter to whatever drug/alcohol influences come out of the boob tube (Do people still use that phrase?).

I know you're smarter than that.

As a sidenote, I think it would be great if WWE stopped marketing towards that same younger audience and gave us Attitude-era programming. Then the problem wouldn't be as pronounced. But that's largely irrelevant to this topic.

Xero - Its not a matter of getting others to parent one's kids (at least, my argument isn't from that). While I think we can both agree on the ridiculousness of lawsuits demanding censorship (and reparations) for questionable content, I don't believe that parenting in itself is the be-all-end-all to the problems raised by said questionable content.

(As an aside, I've been here for nearly ten years, and I've only now hit post 2000. I think that says something, but I'm too lazy to figure it out. Happy 2000th, me!)
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"cm punk doesn't do drugs or drink and i hate him because he's a mean and nasty heel! i'm going to take my 12 year old body and go get drunk just to spite him! that'll show everybody!"

anybody with that train of thought would have ended up drinking anyway. stop being ridiculous.
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I'm not entirely certain your conclusion is accurate, however, I do want to point out that while the Wrestling Is Real, I Hate The Straight Edge Guy factor is very real, there's also the possibility that the crowds- who are all cheering for the Straight Edge Guy to get his ass kicked - will send a message to a young viewer that maybe drinking and doing drugs isn't so bad. Everyone around him is cheering for it, after all.

If that's okay with you, then okay.
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