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Old 04-17-2010, 11:25 AM   #1
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we were arguing weather it is a sport or not and it clearly is.
That isn't what the subject of this thread
is about though.. So it's a pointless argument
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we were arguing weather it is a sport or not and it clearly is.
Weather? You mean "rather"?.......Ladies and gentlemen, a typical wrestling fan! Seriously, doesn't shock me you'd consider wrestling to be a real sport.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:49 PM   #3
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:25 PM   #4
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Vince Russo is a bad-ass. He'd drop Cornette in a second.

...Cornette wants no part of Vic Venom.
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:18 AM   #5
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lol ur all judging cornette for a private letter he thought he sent to a friend.
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:52 AM   #6
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OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:35 AM   #7
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OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.
This. Wrestling is staged, not fake. There is a difference.
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:07 AM   #8
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of course its easy to take it lightly when you are talking about kanye west, paris hilton ect ect
but cornette personally knows russo and not that he would kill russo it's still rather creepy
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voncouch - I post here and still sometimes watch wrestling because I am a man-child. I can proudly admit it, and realize you have to be a goofy and immature guy to actually wanna watch wrestling. I'm not knocking the business. I just see it what it is. Even in Bret Hart's book, in the very title, he calls it "the cartoon world of wrestling".

......Which news sites NoRoolz? And I really don't see what is weird about calling wrestling "play fighting". That's exactly what it is. They're a bunch of guys pretending to hurt each other, and going, "OW, OW!". Reminds me of my grade school days.

Seriously, have you read some of the stories in wrestler's books? These guys don't act like mature adults at all. They're overgrown little boys.

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OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.
If wrestling is a sport, then what stunt people in movies do is a sport too by your logic.

The wrestlers are not really competing unless you count the backstage drama. I'd say that is more like a sport....
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realize you have to be a goofy and immature guy to actually wanna watch wrestling. I'm not knocking the business. I just see it what it is.
lol just cos you're a 'goofy and immature guy' doesn't mean everyone is? Granted, A LOT of wrestling fans are fucking weird. But you can't just say 'you have to be goofy and immature to watch wrestling - HEY I ADMIT IT' just cos it's true for you doesn't mean it applies to everyone. Sorry.

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......Which news sites NoRoolz? And I really don't see what is weird about calling wrestling "play fighting". That's exactly what it is. They're a bunch of guys pretending to hurt each other, and going, "OW, OW!". Reminds me of my grade school days.
SkySports.com. And stop with the fucking play fighting man, do you not understand the different aspects of wrestling? Different styles, all the different types of moves. Really?

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[Seriously, have you read some of the stories in wrestler's books? These guys don't act like mature adults at all. They're overgrown little boys.
Again you're tarring everyone with the same brush. Some may be as you say, 'overgrown little boys'. But not all of them, seriously man. Do you stereotype every type of person?

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If wrestling is a sport, then what stunt people in movies do is a sport too by your logic.
Try reading 'my logic' again, and think how it'd apply to 'stunt people', I don't need to explain how stupid this statement is, figure it out yourself.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or serious tbh, I don't know enough about you. You prob are just trolling away, but still, I'll answer them almost like a 'Q&A' of some sort for anti-pro wrestling folk.
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wrestling is a sport

sport (spôrt, sprt)
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a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.
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wrestling is a sport

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b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.
Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.


In regards of Jim Cornette - I have a different opinion on this now. If the cops knew half of the stuff I'd like to do to some people, I'm sure they'd want to arrest me. I've also typed some messed up stuff before on the internet. To the point many thought I was litreally insane. Women have actually stopped wanting to have anything to do with me because of the things they've seen me type when I was really mad or depressed.

However, I never have and never will do any of the stuff I'd love to do because I know it's illegal, and deep in my heart where the good little boy I once was exist somewhere in there, and knows what I'd love to do is truly wrong.

So forgive me please Jim. I gladly take back what I said. The wrestling world is full of assholes, and I think if you're not an asshole yourself once and a while, you're not going to make it very far and will just become another jobber. Nice guys finish last.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:39 PM   #13
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Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.
Pro Wrestling can be classified as a sport, though the use of the word has kind of fallen by the wayside.

Anyway, arguing over whether it's a sport is on part with whether it's fake or not. It's pointless, even by the standards of the internet.
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Pro Wrestling can be classified as a sport, though the use of the word has kind of fallen by the wayside.

Anyway, arguing over whether it's a sport is on part with whether it's fake or not. It's pointless, even by the standards of the internet.
It also depends on what country you're from. For example, if you're from Japan, pro wrestling is treated like a sport. Championship matches there are hugely important, they would even played the wrestlers' national anthems, and the winner of the titles would be given a championship ceremony, receiving several trophies and the belt.
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Vegas odds for WM: http://www.kocosports.com/absolutenm...p?a=33025&z=80

Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Wow, that's like....deep man. ............I'm pretty sure I posted several times I could believe it happening.

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It also depends on what country you're from. For example, if you're from Japan, pro wrestling is treated like a sport. Championship matches there are hugely important, they would even played the wrestlers' national anthems, and the winner of the titles would be given a championship ceremony, receiving several trophies and the belt.
The Japanese go all out for a lot of things, but I'm sure deep in their hearts, they know it's all entertainment too, and ALL countries have whackos who go insane over wrestling, and treat it like it's real, and I have no doubt the country of Japan has PLENTY of those kinds of guys too. But those people got $, and those promoters want it, so they'll go above and beyond the call of duty to get it.
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Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.

right, a SPORT for the primary purpose of entertainment
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right, a SPORT for the primary purpose of entertainment
It's a pretend sport though.
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An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively
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Who cares if its a sport or not? Does the word sport have some superior meaning that would make wrestling better? No! So who fucking cares?
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I'm not trolling. I've always seen wrestling as nothing more then entertainment. A male soap opera, a form of theater, a circus act, a live action comic book, or cartoon, etc. I don't see how anyone who can read "spoilers" before a show can actually see it as a sport.

Back in the 1800's, all the wrestlers you see today from little people to giants would be earning their living working for a freak show/circus, which is not that much different then what WWE is.

Human emotions have never really changed. UFC, MMA, etc.....that's like modern day gladiator stuff. To Catch a Predator was like gladiator stuff too where they threw criminals to the lions. Not literally, but I think any smart person will catch my drift. Heck, a lot of other TV shows today are about human misery. Again, roman gladiator stuff. We humans have always found our entertainment in the misery of others. We feed off it.

WWE wrestling is really no different, only it's a modern day freak show. It's more like a circus then the gladiator stuff, because in both the circus and wrestling world, the entertainers are pretty much getting you to believe something that is not true. Heck, where do you think the term "Mark" comes from? It came from the days of the old circus. People in the business called people who believed all the nonsense they saw "marks".

Wrestling IS fake. I know that's a giant cliche, and always the first thing a non-wrestling fan will point out, but when it comes down to it, while the risks are very real, for the most part, those guys are not going out there trying to purposely hurt each other. They spend a lot of time, pain, and $ learning how NOT to hurt each other. If the wrestling we see on WWE TV and TNA TV was all real, I highly doubt many people would be wrestlers. At least in the MMA and UFC, there are rules, while in the world of wrestling, it's pretty much a free-for-all which some of the crazy matches they have.

Also, I'm not sure how many wrestling fans you talk to, but all my life, I've come across plenty both online and offline. Pretty much all of them were guys, and all of them were young. Very few were over the age of 30, and those that were, were rednecks. Literally. I also have known plenty of indy wrestlers, and many will tell you....most of those fans are pure redneck trash. It's not just something that goes on here in the south either. Up North, in ECW land, most of those fans were always really freakin' whacky. Now I don't know how some of the guys behave over in England, but I doubt it's much different. I recall when HBK beat the British Bulldog back in 97', the fans wre throwing trash in the ring, which I know is something that goes on everywhere, and that's another good point.....how classy can you be if you're throwing freakin' trash in the ring? Come on, man......

I realize wrestling has been accepted in pop culture before, and that it has casual viewers, but I bet you almost anything that most people see it as entertainment, and would NOT consider it a serious sport.

If wrestling is a sport, how come no one in Vegas gambles on matches? I'm sure some losers do, but it's not an official sanctioned gambling operation.

One website proves nothing. All the other thousand sports websites do not feature wrestling results does prove something. I'll let you figure it out.
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People do gamble on wrestling in Vegas.
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People do gamble on wrestling in Vegas.
Like I said, losers. Sad fuckin' losers. I've been to Vegas many times, and have yet to see any bets for wrestling out there, but I do not doubt people do that as funny as that is.

............Come to think of it.....hell, maybe that's something I can get into. I can just read the spoilers here, and there you go! I'll be like ol' Biff from Back to the Future II!
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...I've been to Vegas many times, and have yet to see any bets for wrestling out there...
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:29 PM   #25
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I think Cornette just fucked himself over.

I mean I did enjoy some things he said, but with this he kind of went over the line. If he meant it or not is not what matters, the fact of the matter is he said it then posted it on the internet for the whole world to see. To me, he's fucked himself over in the industry but on the other hand a lot of people who know Cornette know he's crazy and just says shit he believes in, but also to get a reaction out of people.

I don't know what to think of it all. It's crazy
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:39 PM   #26
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You can only fuck yourself over if you care about the fallout of your comments.

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Caps and punctuation. Dale, is it safe to say you are "tho theriuth rite nao?"
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Old 04-17-2010, 03:04 PM   #29
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Seriously, you're letting Zeebers Creepers troll you over a spelling mistake?
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Seriously, you're letting Zeebers Creepers troll you over a spelling mistake?
I think you guys are officially making a bigger issue over that then me now.
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I think you guys are officially making a bigger issue over that then me now.
Personally, I don't care. I just can't imagine them being dumb enough to go for it.
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To the subject, though, I can honestly see this blowing over fairly soon. All that will be done [probably] is that the two are "ordered" to stay away from each other, which they're doing now so I can't see it being an issue.

The reason I say this is because Jim Cornette has a reputation (as many have said when commenting on the situation) for having a temper and letting that temper get the best of him.
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Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded. For the most part, the local news, the sports section in the newspapers, & ESPN, as well as other various sports networks do not show results. Infact, for many, wrestling is consider a joke in the real sports world. Wrestling has always bragged about not having an off-season, but that's because it's not a real sport. They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.

Some of you guys are starting to remind me of this guy -



"IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!!!!"

.....Look at me. It's Saturday night, & I'm on the freakin' internet arguing with computer nerds rather pro wrestling is real or not.....what a life I lead. I'm going to go do something more productive. I'm gonna go watch TV.
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I could come up with countless points of evidence why that's wrong, but I'll leave that to everyone else that'll jump on that one. I'm simply gonna refer, once again, to Mick Foley.
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Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded...They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.
This whole statement, added to the fact that you pose as an evil-clown on a wrestling website, is what makes you 'dumb'. It's no compliment.

Matches generally aren't choreographed the whole way through. The outcome, beginning and sometimes a few high-spots are planned, generally that's it. 'SCORE' is kept, win/loss records ARE recorded, and in-ring performance determines your future, just like a performance on a football-pitch would, i.e - Keep doing well - you'll progress and be heavily featured. Perform badly - you might get dropped and be used in a lesser role.

No, no stress involved in pro-wrestling. Do you know the schedules pro-wrestlers have? Oblivious to the disturbing amounts of painkiller/drug addictions that wrestlers have? No, they don't want to hurt each-other. Sport is not defined on that.

I feel like you know all this anyway, I guess you get kicks from this online-heel thing. Obviously you do, as from the start I pretty much agreed with you saying pro-wrestling is sports entertainment, and I said it was completely unique, but still qualifies as a sport. HOWEVER, I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.
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I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.
I highly doubt anyone, aside from himself, is taking him seriously. And he may actually be oblivious, he's starting to come off as slightly delusional.
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The pressure of actual competition can be very stressing, but the wrestlers would know little about that unless you're talking about backstage politics.

That Sports Entertaiment stuff is just a fancy phrase to make it seem more sport like, but any smart person knows wrestling is entertainment, and not an actual sport. You talk about me ignoring stuff....I've actually responded to every comment. You guys are the ones who keep ignoring my points.

I actually tried to end this nonsense, but you're the ones who keep it up. You clearly enjoy the debate, and that's okay, but these are opinions I've had for a long time now, and I doubt you'll change them. But if you wanna keep debating for the sake of it, I'm game.
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